Fullerton Council Member Jan Flory – Is She A Champion of Attempting to Keep Vital Facts and Figures from the Public’s Purview?

Fullerton Council Member Jan Flory – Is She A Champion of Attempting to Keep Vital Facts and Figures from the Public’s Purview?    Is She A True Hero to the City’s Special Interests?  I Report, You Decide!  By Barry Levinson

Barry Levinson

Barry Levinson

On September 15, 2015, I went to the Fullerton City Council podium during public comments to discuss the leaked Gennaco investigative report on the Kelly Thomas beating death.   It had been leaked (by someone else) almost 2 months earlier. https://thefullertoninformer.com/barry-levinson-on-the-confidential-gennaco-report-on-the-kelly-thomas-murder/

Yet Ms. Flory interrupted my comments to suggest that I was out of line to provide this information to the public and to the council as well.  The city attorney informed her that as a private citizen I had every right to discuss anything that was already out in the public including this report.


Jan Flory

Now let us go forward to the last Fullerton City Council meeting on October 20, 2015.  A Council member pointed out to Gretchen Beatty, the head of our Human Resources Department that her cost numbers for the general employee union four-year wage and benefit proposal was understated by approximately 900,000 dollars.  This understatement was based on not including all the pension costs the city would be financially responsible for over that four-year period.  Ms. Flory creatively but incorrectly called the 900,000 dollars a philosophical difference.

Person dumping money into a toilet bowl --- Image by © Rubberball/Corbis

Well ladies and gentlemen I do not believe Ms. Flory would identify the 900,000 dollar difference as philosophical if she were personally on the hook for that amount of money.


In fact, I had to remind her that she was supposed to be looking out for the taxpayers of Fullerton and that every dime we the taxpayers are responsible for should be of concern to her in her fiduciary role as a city council member.  (Please remember that approximately 85% to 90% of all city employees live outside the city boundaries.)


Two very separate sets of circumstances and the only connection is that Council Member Jan Flory in both instances seemed not to be concerned about the folks living in Fullerton.  Shame on you Ms. Flory for taking these two positions that in my opinion champion the special interests over the interests of the people of Fullerton.

P.S.  There is however a silver lining in all of this.  The silver lining is that Ms. Flory is up for reelection next November, at which time the Fullerton voters can remove her from council.

I report, you decide.

Barry Levinson


  1. #1 by Ben on October 27, 2015 - 4:41 pm

    Sounds like someone is running for city council. Barry, you’ve done a pretty good job of withholding facts yourself. Don’t even deny that you haven’t.

    • #2 by Anonymous on October 27, 2015 - 6:06 pm

      do tell

    • #3 by Anonymous on October 27, 2015 - 7:10 pm

      Please, do tell.

      • #4 by Ben on October 27, 2015 - 10:52 pm

        Ask Mr. “transparent” Barry about his own financial past.

        • #5 by Jan on October 28, 2015 - 7:53 am

          You are the one making the assertions, Ben. Tell us or shut up.

          • #6 by Ben on October 28, 2015 - 8:27 pm

            If you have a PACER account, you can look it up in five minutes

            • #7 by PACER account? on October 29, 2015 - 8:45 am

              You do the legwork, Ben. Copy and paste the basis for your assertions right here.

    • #8 by Realty Check on October 27, 2015 - 9:05 pm

      It sounds like someone is telling the truth Ben. I know that the truth is something very foreign to those who call the shots at city hall.
      Corruption thy name is the city of Fullerton.

  2. #9 by Anonymous on October 27, 2015 - 5:26 pm

    What do you expect from a friggin’ divorce attorney?

  3. #10 by Jan Flory's "Endorsers or Enforcers?" on October 27, 2015 - 6:58 pm

    I’ll try and feign surprise.

    Jan Flory’s list of
    supporters and endorsers are:


    ..these “endorsers” are actually:

    A) Fullerton Police Officers Association.

    B) Fullerton Fire Fighters Association.

    C) Neighbors United For Fullerton or NUFF
    ( which is actually a collaboration of Teachers/administrators seeking to feather their nests through local politics e.g. Vince Buck, Sharon Quirk Silva, Pam Keller, etc…)

    These are ALL local public employees groups that lead the likes of Jan Flory and Doug Chaffee around town like their proverbial lap dogs doing tricks for these groups endorsements and votes , and in return, they ensure a rubber stamp for their pay raises, and a deaf ear to the public’s opposition of what happened to a lousy


    …and early retirements


    • #11 by Joe Imbriano on October 27, 2015 - 11:00 pm

      I believe that Flory is a union puppet and an establishment hack, symptomatic of what is wrong with our city government. Jennifer Fitzgerald is all of the aforementioned as well with the exception of in addition, being a crony capitalist with a thin religious veneer. The elections will bring much needed change to the diseased heart of Fullerton’s city government.

  4. #12 by Anonymous on October 27, 2015 - 9:12 pm

    Barry is just telling the truth. You ought to try it some time. You might like it.

  5. #13 by Atta Boy on October 28, 2015 - 7:47 am

    SO, did anyone aside from me, go through the list of people on her endorsement list? I personally went to the city and was told several people on that list no longer work for the city, so how exactly they were taking the donations right out of their paycheck, from people who were no longer employed with the city, I spoke to spokeshole Coffman, and he promised me that everyone on the list was an employee, yet the city claims different. How exactly is Rincon, who wasn’t employed with the city, how exactly did he get 54 bux taken out of his check, from a non working employee. I even called their money man in LA, to get the answer. Guess what- they have never ever ever validated that. Personally-go in and see who is on the list, many where not employed by the city-( validated by my public records request) so again how did they get the monies from a non employee- from a check they didn’t receive ? Barry Coffman told me they would fix it…that was years ago. Nothing has changed. This place blows.

  6. #14 by Reality Is..... on October 28, 2015 - 11:06 am

    Barry has more skeleton’s in the closet that all the council members combined. That’s why he has to sit on the outside screaming and yelling for someone, anyone to do anything that he says!! Someone!! LOL

    • #15 by Joe Imbriano on October 29, 2015 - 12:19 pm

      Last time I checked 7,400 people from Fullerton voted for Barry Levisnon in the last election. Who is this everybody that you are referring to?

      Are you referring to the people involved in what appears to be a criminal conspiracy to frame Mr. Levinson and Mr. Gutierrez?

      Could you be referring to the architects of the immoral and potentially illegal power grab with Fullerton’s DCCP?

      Are you referring to the benefactors of, the architects of, and the instrumental council members that gave Fullerton its phony C.O.I.N. ordinance?

      Are you referring the N.O.C.C.D Trustees that should have recused themselves from midsummer’s vote to put Measure J on the ballot that now appears to be winning via fraud?

      Are you referring to those involved in potential violations of Education Code Section 7054 while lobbying for the F.J.U.H.S.D’s Measure I?

      Are you referring to the out of control cops who like to threaten to smash women’s faces in, sexually assault women, frame people or murder a homeless man for refusing to play doctor with some deranged fat pig and his roided out pals?

      Are you referring to the tools over at the Register like the 6th grade level writer Lou Ponsi and his bosses who run cover for the brutal misdeeds of the FPD and miscreants in the city hall crowd?

      How about those upset with him over his crusade to put teeth in the sex offender ordinance to protect children from rapists and pedophiles that these creeps want to protect?

      How about the phony political hacks in this town that won’t touch the real issues with a ten foot pole and as a result, keep getting their rear ends handed to them in every election cycle?

      How about the Observer’s limousine liberal establishment plunge protection team complete with the Keller posse?

      How about the empty suit ding dongs over at the Fullerton School District that can’t give the Barry a straight answer because the most basic of Barry’s questions are way above their overpriced pay grade?

      Maybe you are speaking about what I believe to be thugs over at the FPOA headed by a taxpayer teat sucking goon who has gone almost as low if not lower than Sex Ed Silva in the last election.

      Perhaps the 4F mafia- Chaffee, Flory and Fitzpringle is who you have in mind?

      Mr. Levinson is a friend of Fullerton who has nothing but the best of intentions for its fiscal health and the well being of its residents. I wish we could say the same for the city hall crowd and its axe grinding aficionados.

      I guess there are some pretty upset people out there but there are going to be even more that are upset when all the facts get out to the public and the masks are removed.

      You know Jesus raised the dead, cured the blind, healed the sick but always told it like it was and look what they did to him. Barry will wear his lashes with honor and stand tall as there undoubtedly will be more from those that will stop at nothing to continue to put the olive branches into the fire pit and self servingly exchange the truth for lies. Fortunately 2016 is around the corner.

  7. #16 by Ben on October 28, 2015 - 8:45 pm

    Reality is, you speak the truth. All this attacking Jan Flory is politics 101. Candidates running for city council hammer away at the sitting council member whose seat is up for reelection. And check this out. Jan Flory is the one they are most afraid of so they attack her the most. If Levinson and Imbriano were honest, they’ll admit they are terrified of Jan and Jennifer. In any public debate, Jan and Jennifer would chew them up and spit them out. So Joe just hides behind his little keyboard and launches attacks and insults and posts funny pictures. Free speech? Yes. But free speech and responsible speech are not the same. Well get ready Joe, pretty soon you’ll have to face the music and wont have your little keyboard to hide behind. Ask Travis.

    • #17 by Reality Is..... on October 29, 2015 - 8:45 am

      Yep. It’s the same exact patterns as when they did the recall and tried to buy their own people into office. Problem is that this time they don’t have Tony B’s $500,000 to do it. I’m still amazed that they bought Bruce and Travis into office, and Travis bombed it all so quickly. I knew the second Travis started talking so negatively about checkpoints, and DUI driving, that his term in office was over. His political career was done. Some of the others said what the klan wanted to hear, and then became more rational politicians in the end which is why they are still in office. Rational thinking always prevails or radical thinking and radical thoughts.

      • #18 by Joe Imbriano on October 29, 2015 - 9:21 am

        RI, the tax payer ripoff six figure checkpoint grant that Mr glass bong Schoen dragged his feet for 3 weeks after the meeting providing me with was nothing more than an overtime party and by the way all the recall got Fullerton for $500,000 was fireworks, Chaffee, Fitzpringle and Flory. Well one out of four aint bad.

        Much work is needed to be done. I cannot speak for Travis except that he lost probably as a result of a fraudulent process. You know just like how the college bond passed recently? The corruption is all around us. That is why so many of these cretans are alcoholics because they cannot live with themselves.

        RI, get real. You want to reduce drunk driving? Put the paddy wagons at the exits to SOCO, the structure and the other parking lots and leave the rest of us alone. Everything you defend is a joke. I know there are tons of hot chicks that the cops love to gawk at, hit on and grope at these watering holes but really? The corrupt thugs that set up the restaurant overlay district all know where the exits to the main roads are. They only looked at the plans 1000 times. It is like shooting ducks in a barrel. We could use the 100 grand to synchronize the traffic signals or train the FPD on how not to kill people when they dont want to play doctor with some deranged cop or maybe put some water and fish in laguna lake or set up little league scholarships for the kids who almost had Shawn Nelsons and Cameron Irons homeless shelter put in their backyard. RI help me out on this one.

        • #19 by Reality Is.... on October 30, 2015 - 1:12 am

          Yea right Joe. It would be nice to setup DUI checkpoints at those spots. Imagine the backlash from that? Sitting there just picking off drunks? Come on. Even you would jump on that bashing wagon.

          The grants are given to almost all PD’s across the state. It’s money from the gas tax and distributed based on traffic collisions, DUI crashes, etc. OTS dictates how the money will be spent. So yes, it’s an overtime party but that’s how OTS wants it. Saturation patrols out there hooking and booking, and a few from checkpoints. So yes, anyone could use the $100,000 but you can’t have it and won’t get it unless you use it for those specific things. You do the detail, and submit for reimbursement from OTS.

          You are on the right track, just don’t know enough about how that OTS money works.

    • #20 by Joe Imbriano on October 29, 2015 - 8:45 am

      Ben, everyone has a little keyboard including you and your cronies. I am glad you are here. It shows that the machine is worried and it should be. I am looking forward to open public debate on the issues. I welcome all criticism. It makes for a healthy discussion.

      The only ones who are afraid of anything in a dark room are the rats when the lights come on. Well they are turning on. There are other eyes on the mausoleum and they have been watching it for a long time so get ready to rock and roll because it is going to get wild and crazy.

      Flouride is actually the most fun because she is a divorce attorney that sits on the water board, Vector control board, has the multiple connections to the DA and is the overt union puppet. Fitzpringle is the more difficult one to uproot because she is a Trojan Horse who has her sticky tentacles everywhere.

      As far as time goes, I get 3 minutes every other Tuesday, while Jan Fluoride and Jencurt Fitzpringle are at their own pleasure spewing fluff, nonsense, and propaganda to bamboozle the voters. I deal with real issues. They wont touch real issues with a 10 foot pole. Prove me wrong. I welcome you or anyone else to do so. Use your real name or maybe I will just start blocking you. After all this is my little keyboard.

      I suggest you come to the microphone at the council meeting and get out of your chair where you sit all the time and slouch while staring at Hughes. Come tell everyone just how full of crap Joe Imbriano is publicly. I look forward to meeting you and filming you. It will make a great story for the voters to examine the true incestuous nature of the city’s corruption.

      • #21 by Anonymous on October 29, 2015 - 9:00 am

        Joe do you find it odd that when several officers clearly beat an innocent person to death on video, they actually get away with it and yet when Mr. Levinson is accused of a crime that the video evidence clearly refutes, Dan Hughes still personally requested the DA to file charges?

        • #22 by The Twilight Zone on October 29, 2015 - 3:11 pm

          When you put it that way Anonymous, it shines a light on the real criminal in Fullerton and it is not Mr. Levinson.
          Yet when the C word, i.e. corruption comes up relating to the City of Fullerton, our council members poo – poo that notion. The truth is that the real C word for the City of Fullerton is not corruption but criminality.
          The last time I checked committing perjury while giving testimony in a murder trial (even by one or even two police officers) is still a Felony and murdering an innocent person even by police officers is also a Felony. The fact the our City of Fullerton ignores the obvious, including the Gennaco investigative conclusions only shines the light more brightly on their complicity. Bad to the bone. Rotten to the core. These are all phrases that fit our City of Fullerton government so, so well.

        • #23 by Reality Is.... on October 30, 2015 - 1:17 am

          You are grasping here. A petty misdemeanor and you think Hughes personally requested charges? Over a simple battery? I doubt it. Who cares about a misdemeanor these days. People don’t even do jail time for felonies anymore.

          • #24 by The Twilight Zone on October 30, 2015 - 12:41 pm

            Reality Is, you may doubt it but it is a fact.
            Your comment above and I quote: “Who cares about a misdemeanor these days.” is so not true. The corrupt city council was extremely eager to put on a circus full of accusations but lacking any proof. I also know you would care very much if it was you who was falsely accused of a crime that never happened. I know for you it may be hard to believe but to some their reputation means a great deal.
            A person with integrity does not continuously make false statements or repeat accusations that have no basis in fact. This describes our city of Fullerton leadership. By those standards or lack thereof, you fit in very well with the City of Fullerton leadership. The evidence is piling up very high for the lack of integrity of those who choose to support our bankrupt Fullerton leadership. Thank you Reality Is for being the poster boy for what ails Fullerton.

            • #25 by Reality Is..... on October 30, 2015 - 5:30 pm

              The point is that the police department and the DA have nothing to do with a misdemeanor case. It’s up to the Victim. It’s a misdemeanor not committed in their presence. It’s entirely and 100% up to the victim. If the victim desires prosecution and does a citizen’s arrest, it’s documented and goes to the DA. A chief can present the case all he wants, but if the Victim doesn’t give the right story with all the consistent facts, desire prosecution, and sign the citizen’s arrest form, the DA won’t prosecute at all. If it’s he said she said, the DA many times will reject it. All up to the DA at that point.

              • #26 by Fullerton Resident on November 16, 2015 - 9:32 am

                And in the case of Ms. Grisenti, it was Police Chief Hughes and the FPD who reached out to her to get the conspiracy ball rolling against Mr. Levinson.

                RI thanks for helping to prove our point that the FPD and the City of Fullerton is dirty, even to the point of leading a criminal conspiracy against a Fullerton activist whose comments have never been proven to be anything other than the truth about Fullerton’s leadership.

                • #27 by Reality Is..... on November 16, 2015 - 11:03 pm

                  I think I watched that same show on CSI one night. Keep up the good work. It’s clearly failing miserably.



        • #28 by Fullerton Resident on October 30, 2015 - 10:51 am

          Anonymous,your comment demonstrates that Police Chief Dan Hughes objectivity should be called into question in his official dealing with Mr. Levinson. Please recall that he admitted his animosity toward Mr. Levinson in council chambers. “I could hate the guy.” The abuse of power by a police chief should never be tolerated by any community. What is our esteemed city council and city manager doing to correct this alleged abuse? They are doing absolutely nothing.

          • #29 by Reality Is..... on November 16, 2015 - 11:09 pm

            Do you really think that anyone in a political office, or any human for that matter, doesn’t hate someone that is a pain in their ass all the time? I mean really? Or you want Hughes or Feliz or any of the council members to actually like you? LOL. Come on. Be realistic. Even you guys hate people and admit it openly. day after day. They can hate too. it’s the human instinct.

        • #30 by Joe Imbriano on November 15, 2015 - 7:05 pm

          I couldn’t have said it better myself. It tells the public everything they need to know about our police chief Dan Hughes.

      • #31 by Reality Is.... on October 30, 2015 - 1:15 am

        Joe you seem pretty educated and realistic. You don’t think Fullerton is any different than any other city do you? City Councils aren’t known to be the smartest people in the world. Do you really think they actually care that much?

        • #32 by Joe Imbriano on November 15, 2015 - 7:14 pm

          Fullerton is like many so many other cities but I live here hence my aim to clean up this agenda 21 city.

          • #33 by Reality Is..... on November 16, 2015 - 11:07 pm

            Good luck. I’ve been around these parts for 49 years and the closest anyone got to change was Tony B’s attempted buyout of the city to run it how he wants. He made it on Kelly’s back for awhile, but then his pawns failed him miserably. You and your cohorts seem to be preaching the same messages as when Tony and Travis were trying, but without the money and Kelly’s back, I don’t think your extreme radical changes are even remotely possible. They sure are fun to follow though.

  8. #34 by cyber on October 29, 2015 - 3:23 pm

    Hey Joe, how does it feel to be a cyberbully? You probably love the title don’t you?

    • #35 by Anonymous on October 29, 2015 - 3:58 pm

      You guys are really getting desperate now.

      • #36 by Desperate & pathetic on October 29, 2015 - 8:12 pm

        Yes, they are working desperately to maintain the status quo. There must be a lot at stake for them to work so feverishly. It is quite pathetic.

    • #37 by Anonymous on October 29, 2015 - 6:38 pm

      Cyberbully-That’s a good one. Imbriano is a nut case cyberbully.

      • #38 by Anonymous on October 30, 2015 - 7:53 am

        Real bullies are the ones on the wrong side of the issues. Name calling is getting no one anywhere. Stick to the facts.

  9. #39 by Fullerton Resident on October 29, 2015 - 3:45 pm

    Thank you Mr. Imbriano for allowing the corruption of the city of Fullerton to be exposed so completely. We the citizens of Fullerton are taking notice to the facts presented on this website and the deplorable way your detractors respond. It is most enlightening to many of us. I believe this website is making a real difference and for that I thank you.

    • #40 by Reality Is.... on October 30, 2015 - 1:17 am

      LOL winner!! See you got at least one resident on board!

    • #41 by Anonymous on October 30, 2015 - 6:33 am

      Joe is a very bright, altruistic, and courageous individual.

      • #42 by Reality Is..... on October 30, 2015 - 10:52 am

        He actually does sound like it. He doesn’t sound all whacky like Tony B and that group from the recall era.

        • #43 by Fullerton Lover on October 30, 2015 - 2:20 pm

          When does our society consider it “whacky” to call out on the carpet the callous cold blooded killers of a 137 pound mentally ill person ?

          Especially when they were all “peace officers” and their stated motto is to “protect and serve”?

          • #44 by Reality Is..... on October 30, 2015 - 5:32 pm

            It’s whacky when the process has run the course and the jury has found the Officers not guilty and discipline has been rendered. End of story. Let’s say Ronny wins the civil case. It still won’t matter. No more officers will be disciplined. Everyone working will stay working. Cissy and Ramos will still be fired or paid off and retired. End of story. So it’s whacky to keep preaching about something that won’t ever change. It’s over. Capishe?

            • #45 by Anonymous on October 30, 2015 - 5:44 pm

              We have no choice but to change the course we are on and that is why we are here.

              You are here for ?????

              • #46 by Reality Is..... on October 30, 2015 - 5:54 pm

                To always be aware what people are striving for and what change they are seeking. Keeps everything in perspective in life.

            • #47 by Fullerton Lover on October 30, 2015 - 9:05 pm

              ….Where there’s smoke there’s fire !

              Fullerton Police Officers Wall of Shame

              Albert Rincon – Serial molester of in-custody women; $350,000 settlement.

              Miguel Siliceo – misidentification and incarceration of wrong man who spent five months in jail.

              Cary Tong – accusation of battery and civil rights abuse; broken finger and missing cash.

              Kenton Hampton – accusation of assault, battery, civil rights abuse, perjury. Wrong man almost convicted.

              Frank Nguyen – accusation of perjury (see above).

              Ramos, Wolfe, Hampton, Blatney , Cicinelli – murder, manslaughter, civil rights abuse, etc., etc. A dead man haunts the FPD.

              FPD Command – allowed the killers to view the video of the killing and rewrite their reports until everybody got his story straight.

              Todd Major – abuse of controlled substance, conviction of fraud. Ripping off Explorers? Really, Todd?

              Kelly Mejia – conviction of grand theft at a TSA checkpoint. Crooked and stupid is no way to go throughout life, hon.’

              Vincent Mater – charged with destruction of evidence in jail custody death. Hey, we banged that corpses head against the bars!

              Andrew Goodrich – dissemination of erroneous information never retracted. Too busy to get it right?

              Mike Sellers – protracted medical leave punctuated by a disability claim and massive pensioned retirement. Business as usual. La dolce vita!

              April Baughman – charged with two-year’s worth of theft from the FPD property room. Okay, who’s the accomplice?

              ….and hey let’s not forget the latest embarrassment to Fullerton’s PD,

              Detective Ronald Bair!

              read on….

              A lawsuit filed in federal court on Thursday alleges that a former Fullerton Police Department detective spoke favorably on a woman’s behalf during custody hearings in return for numerous forced sexual acts. The 51-page complaint lays out an ugly path that all began with the violation of a restraining order.

              According to the lawsuit, Fullerton detective Ronald Bair investigated a restraining order breach on December 2012. The victim (whom we’ll call Jane Doe, per basic journalistic ethics) had recently moved to a safe house for battered women with her young daughter to get away from an abusive ex-husband. The detective interviewed Doe at department headquarters and offered to testify on her behalf in upcoming custody hearings. After one, Bair and Doe went to El Torito, where the lawsuit alleges Bair asked for “sexy pictures” after making inappropriate comments about her body.

              “The plaintiff felt that she had no option but to comply with the officer’s requests as she was by then totally dependent on him, both for the criminal investigation and the custody case involving her daughter,” the complaint reads.

              The sexual abuse began soon afterwards, with Bair allegedly pointing his gun at her at times and even throwing a Kelly Thomas twist to the story: Bair allegedly told Doe he was “good friends” with the officers who beat Thomas to death. Through it, Bair testified favorably at custody hearings eventually getting a five-year restraining order against the a family member of the woman’s ex-husband. After that, the complaint alleges, Bair pointed to his penis, telling Doe that she owed him big time.

              Doe told therapists at her shelter about the abuse in September 2013, and says she filed a complaint against Bair with his bosses. The lawsuit alleges that not only did investigators tip off Bair, but that he turned on Doe. At the next custody hearing, the lawsuit alleges, “he testified that the plaintiff was mentally ill, was a danger to her daughter, that she was affiliated with the mafia and that she had not been the victim of domestic abuse.” A judge then denied visitation rights to her daughter.

              Doe gave taped statements to Fullerton police complaining about Bair. “The officers…tried to infer that the plaintiff had a boyfriend/girlfriend relationship with the police detective,” the lawsuit claims.

              Attorneys representing Doe say otherwise. Angel Carrazco, Jr., Humberto Guizar, and Kent Henderson, a lawyer who represented the late Rodney King, are handling the suit against Bair, the City of Fullerton, its police department and unnamed officers that handled Doe’s complaints for violation of her civil rights, negligence, assault and battery.

              According to the legal firm, Bair is no longer with Fullerton PD for reasons unknown. Fullerton police spokesman Sgt. Jeff Stuart didn’t respond to the Weekly’s request to confirm Bair’s employment status. For more on Bair, here’s a blast from the past from the late, great Friends for Fullerton’s Future blog.

              • #48 by Anonymous on October 31, 2015 - 7:04 am

                Thank you for this.

              • #49 by Fullerton Resident on October 31, 2015 - 11:10 am

                Fullerton Lover the past and continuing problems with the relatively small FPD are way to numerous to ignore by any objective observer. The fact that our city council, our city manager and our city attorney are ignoring the ongoing problems within the FPD is only one reason to vote them all out of office and change the city’s appointed leadership.
                Some members of the FPD past and present along with their sycophant supporters troll this site and provide their banal responses.
                I suspect that most of them know how corrupt and dishonest the FPD has been over the years.
                If they truly do not know this, then we are really in trouble because it means they are devoid of any moral compass.
                I suspect however that most of these sycophants understand the lack of integrity and honesty for many FPD members past and present, but simply do not care. These individuals basically accept the culture of corruption of many within the FPD and know that they can get away with many wrongdoings because of the Police Officers Bill of Rights.
                And for this we give them a lifetime paycheck at a minimum of 90% of their last year’s salary and free healthcare after 30 years on the job as early as 50 years of age.
                This is at the same time that many in the private sector are forced to work way beyond the typical retirement age of 65 just to make ends meet.

                • #50 by Fullerton Lover on November 3, 2015 - 10:34 am

                  Something that is more egregious to me personally, is that former Fullerton Chief of Police Pat McKinley’s old pal, “non-profit” OC Human Relations Executive Director, Rusty Kennedy, who is currently being paid a retirement courtesy of the taxpayers of $10,000 a month for life!

                  This is the same clown who conveniently looked the other way when an obviously mentally disabled man named Kelly Thomas was brutally pummeled by the police, and had the gall to stand in front of the city councilman during a meeting after words, placing the blame on the residents for the demise of Kelly Thomas.

                  Wouldn’t you expect that Rusty Kennedy’s OC Human Relations agency would be the agency MOST responsible for defending the mentally ill against prejudice and police brutality?

                  Not when your Russell Kennedy.


                  • #51 by Anonymous on November 3, 2015 - 9:42 am

                    That is Sharon Kennedy’s ilk is it not?

                  • #53 by Reality Is..... on November 3, 2015 - 3:38 pm

                    and he shouldn’t get his pension why? List the old Fullerton Chief’s pensions if you really wanna get mad LOL. Rusty is a legend in the OC. So he waited for the facts to come out on the case, as any professional and politician should, and you want to bury him now? Come on. Everyone should have waited for the trial before going crazy. Innocent until proven guilty right? 🙂

                    • #54 by Fullerton Lover on November 4, 2015 - 6:46 am

                      by Reality Is on August 31, 2012

                      “The cops hated him because he was mentally ill – a protected class, you numbskull.”

                      …sounds like you’ve had a change of heart since you authored this post on Friends For Fullerton’s Future several years ago about the very same subject?

                      Early onset dementia maybe?

                      Did Kelly Thomas’s death (known by Ramos as mentally disabled) ever get investigated, or even reported as a hate crime by the OC Human Relations Commission AFTER the tape came out?



                      Because Russell, aka “Rusty”, knows which side of the bread his non-profit is buttered on, and doesn’t want to rock the boat or do ANYTHING to jeopardize his sole source of funding from the politicians who put him there originally,

                      And now all of the residents who placed their trust in this fraud are expected to pay him $10,000 a month for life, as well as the pay he still draws while he’s still there?

                      For what?

                      To lull people into a false sense of complacency, and then turn around and blame them for it happening in the first place?

                      If you don’t see a snake oil salesman, I can’t help you brother : )

                      Good luck on that dementia!

                  • #55 by Anonymous on November 3, 2015 - 4:48 pm

                    All these establishment goons are related in one way shape or form aren’t they.

                    • #56 by Reality Is..... on November 3, 2015 - 6:30 pm

                      Usually not much relationship between politicians and cops. Just from the union perspective, and the Chief is a politician once he gets to that spot.

              • #57 by Anonymous on November 1, 2015 - 7:45 pm

                old news-Hughes is clean

              • #62 by Reality Is..... on November 3, 2015 - 3:37 pm

                So in all the years of existence, this was all you could uncover of any substance? Come on. You should see some other departments and all the things at fullerton you have no clue about. Cops are humans. Cops get fired, suspended, and punished all the time just like any other profession. Cops beat people, they get in trouble for being drunk, they beat up their ol’ ladies, and any other crime you can think of. Cops are human. When will people realize that? This list is weak. When I saw it I thought you had something good uncovered. This list is very small compared to most PD’s.

                • #63 by Anonymous on November 3, 2015 - 8:58 pm

                  You will rationalize any behavior, won’t you?

                  • #64 by Reality Is..... on November 4, 2015 - 11:01 am

                    Never rationalize bad behavior. I’m realistic, hence, my name. Reality. Reality is you will always have bad behavior. Humans. Always. No matter what. So the list above is normal. Doesn’t mean it’s right, means it’s real.

                    • #65 by Anonymous on November 5, 2015 - 7:55 am

                      Okay, so what? You diminish the harms based on your perception of recency of crime. You continually dismiss based on what? Non-substantiated comparison to other PDs, and argument that COPs are human. Sorry, too much for most with a conscience to stomach. That is where you are hitting the wall with many on this blog. You point to more illegal behavior at other cities in an attempt to diminish what is going on in FPD. The fact is, they could never clean house by bringing up Dan Hughes to lead the department. The culture of the organization needed to change and with Dan Hughes, there was never a chance.

                      So, why are you attempting to deflect?

                      You post so frequently, feverishly. Who is your dog in the fight?

                    • #66 by Fullerton Lover on November 6, 2015 - 7:31 am

                      Well spoken my anonymous amigo!

                      Enclosed is a letter written by a former Fullerton police officer making the very same point as yourself.


                    • #67 by Reality Is on November 6, 2015 - 1:55 pm

                      You make my point. Point is that you can bring up old stuff all you want. People won’t listen. It’s all old. All resolved. Nothing pending. What do you want someone to do? No one can do anything. That’s why I say you are yelling and no one is listening. Dannyboy isn’t going anywhere. People already tried that. People yelled and screamed and council made him permanent Chief. Point is keep yelling. No one is listening. Find something current and active and maybe someone will listen. Reality.

                  • #69 by Reality Is..... on November 4, 2015 - 11:09 am

                    From all the posts here, It’s clear Fullerton PD is doing a great job these days. The best we can do is pull up things from 2011 LOL. Just shows that Hughes was and is the man for the job and is doing a great job. Anytime all you can do is pull up old things that are long over and done, like the Gennaco report, you are just proving why council ignores you now.



                    • #70 by The Twilight Zone on November 4, 2015 - 1:00 pm

                      Ronald Bair’s alleged sexual misconduct using his job to coerce sexual favors was 2013 under Danny boy and paid for by the taxpayers ($350,000) earlier this year.

                      The failure to deal with Rubio and Craig for providing false testimony in a murder trial was in December 2013 under Dan Hughes. The failure to take action now that the Gennaco investigative report is public knowledge is today!

                      If you are a police officer it is another stain on law enforcement because you lie so, so easily.

                      People come to this site to learn about Fullerton are not falling for all your ridiculous and very obvious lies.

                    • #71 by Fullerton Lover on November 5, 2015 - 7:59 am

                      It was actually just over half a million dollars that we residents of Fullerton had to pay for one of our employees AGAIN abusing the power that we bestowed upon him.

                      Note that Chief Hughes feels inclined to castigate the VICTIM on being being immoral at the end of the article.

                      Now if THAT isn’t the pot calling the kettle black!


                  • #72 by Anonymous on November 6, 2015 - 3:04 pm

                    You should not be so hard on yourself, Reality Is, by calling yourself a No One because you are in fact listening very intensely.

  10. #73 by Fullerton Resident on November 4, 2015 - 8:01 am

    Reality Is thinks that all the horrible acts committed by FPD personnel is really not a big deal. Their acts are not a big deal only if you are comparing them to Hitler, Stalin or Mao.

    • #74 by Reality Is..... on November 4, 2015 - 11:01 am

      Nope. It’s realistic. It’s reality. Realize that. It will never go away. Ever.

    • #75 by The Twilight Zone on November 5, 2015 - 11:08 am

      Correction Ronald Bair cost the taxpayers of Fullerton $550,000 dollars not $350,000 dollars.

  11. #76 by Anonymous on November 4, 2015 - 8:11 am

    I would love to see you debate these fools Joe.

    • #77 by Reality Is..... on November 4, 2015 - 11:02 am

      They won’t debate anyone that has a half of a brain. But anyone with a half of a brain wouldn’t ever run for a city council spot in any city. City council members aren’t your smartest people in the world. Anywhere in this country.

  12. #78 by Anonymous on November 5, 2015 - 12:57 pm

    Ron Bair is a low life. The city would not have paid out $550,000 if he was innocent of all the allegations. Just another one of the great hires by former Police Chief Pat McKinley. McKinley you may recall supported Ms. Fitzgerald, Ms. Flory and Mr. Chaffee for Fullerton city council.
    Council members, Fitzgerald and Flory are quick to use the term bully against anyone who dares to disagree with their votes on council. Yet they are totally silent about Ron Bair’s alleged sexual misconduct and his alleged abuse of power on Fullerton women in distress. But they will proudly host women’s conferences, yet will not speak out on these alleged abuses of women. HYPOCRITES. It is the women of Fullerton who should be most disturbed with the actions or lack thereof by Fitzgerald and Flory.

    Here is another of the great hires by Pat McKinley, former FPD police officer, Albert Rincon.

    The city paid a total of $350,000 to two women who say they were sexually assaulted by a Fullerton police officer, the city attorney announced Tuesday night.

    Captain Kevin Hamilton, the acting chief, terminated his employment effective October 14, 2011.

    The civil suit accused Rincon of sexually abusing the two female suspects after he arrested them in separate 2008 incidents.

    In the first incident, the suit alleged, Rincon arrested a woman Aug. 1, 2008, on a possession of a controlled substance charge at her place of employment. The charge was ultimately dismissed, i.e. a bogus charge in order to allow Rincon to do his dirty deeds.
    The lawsuit alleges that Rincon sexually assaulted the woman under the guise of patting her down and then repeatedly harassed the woman at her job.
    The second woman was arrested by Rincon on suspicion of driving under the influence of alcohol. Court records show that charge was eventually dismissed, i.e. another bogus charge in order to allow Rincon to do his dirty deeds. The lawsuit alleges that after the alleged victim was handcuffed in the back of the patrol car, Rincon sexually assaulted her.

    Rincon, was a Fullerton Police officer since 2006. He had also been accused according to court records of violating the Police Department’s policy of pat-downs, which are supposed to be performed by officers of the same sex whenever possible and of turning off his Digital Audio Recorder (DAR) when he came in contact with the women.

    The FPD had already conducted an internal investigation of the incidents, and only reprimanded him for violating the pat-down policy and the policy requiring officers to keep audio recorders turned on, a federal judge said in court documents.

    Per a story by Lou Ponsi, it was reported that “During a criminal investigation by the Orange County District Attorney’s Office into the officer’s conduct, it surfaced that several other women had approached the Police Department with similar complaints against the officer, D.A. spokeswoman Farrah Emami has said. That office declined to file criminal charges, however, citing the inability to prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt, Emami said.”

    I believe the D.A. had plenty of evidence from numerous women all giving credence and mutual support to their allegations against Rincon in addition to the evidence the FPD already had in their completed internal investigation into some of these charges. This demonstrates the corruption within both the FPD and the Orange County District Attorney’s Office.

    So we can now readily see that the mishandling of the Kelly Thomas criminal case was not the first time the Orange County District Attorney’s Office has failed to get justice for the citizens of Fullerton. In the case of Bair and Rincon they would not even file criminal charges against the former FPD officers. That is simply disgraceful and a miscarriage of justice. We may be living in Orange County but we too often get nothing but lemons from those government officials that are charged to serve and protect and seek justice through the legal system.

    • #79 by Reality Is on November 6, 2015 - 1:58 pm

      Yea two nut balls. Glad they are gone.

      • #80 by Anonymous on November 6, 2015 - 3:05 pm

        Two nut balls that the FPD brass tried very hard to protect.

        • #81 by Reality Is.... on November 6, 2015 - 5:58 pm

          POBAR. Very hard to fire a cop. Chief’s just follow the rules put in place by the state leaders.

          • #82 by Anonymous on November 6, 2015 - 9:32 pm

            You mean put in place after the police unions throughout California gave the Sacramento politicians millions of contribution dollars over the years. The system is broke and the police unions are the front and center reason for most if not all of the problems.

            Let us be very clear. In private industry giving money to effectuate a specific outcome is called a bribe. In government it is call either a campaign contribution or a federal or state grant.

            • #83 by Reality Is on November 7, 2015 - 11:09 am

              Yep. So why can’t you change it? POBAR has many elements that are very good and very important. No politician should ever be able to fire a cop for political purposes. Ever. POBAR is the only thing that protects that.

      • #84 by Fullerton Lover on November 6, 2015 - 4:37 pm

        …I just hope that it wasn’t too late for them in getting rid of Bair, also known as “Defective Bair”, by Fullerton school district personnel who worked along side of Detective Bair on a daily basis.

        This was back when Bair was working with schoolchildren here on a daily basis within the schools here in Fullerton.

        Still think that this is all fun and games as to why we’re trying to root out the bad apples before they spoil the whole bunch?

        • #85 by Reality Is.... on November 6, 2015 - 5:59 pm

          Cops are horny too. Just like you and I. LOL

          • #86 by Anonymous on November 6, 2015 - 9:10 pm


            • #87 by Reality Is on November 7, 2015 - 11:07 am


          • #88 by Disgusting on November 7, 2015 - 12:33 pm

            So you are defending Bair’s preying on a woman based on a cop (Bair) being “horny”?

            • #89 by Reality Is on November 7, 2015 - 5:07 pm

              Nice try. I said these types of things happen and will always happen. As long as the cop is fired of the allegations are proven, I’m all good. No profession will ever be able to screen out humans that choose to make bad decisions in life. Once proven, Fire EM and move on.

              • #90 by Anonymous on November 8, 2015 - 9:14 am

                The so-called justice system is broken and it is apparent to most of us on this blog.
                Your suppositions depend on a somewhat honest justice system, which does not exist. The only justice to be had is one that will rule on matters that do not step on the toes of the establishment, where there is nothing for them to lose.

                You ignore the culture of corruption to protect the power structure here.
                By your standards, even if justice was served, it is okay for the incidence of crime that we see going on to prevail. This is where there is disagreement: the crimes are significant and profound and they are committed by those we are entrusting and paying to “serve and protect us”. Those of us with families do not trust the FPD.

                Even recognizing that you will have a bad apple that needs to go. When a department recruits from tough areas of LAPD, that is what those cops know and they behave as those cops. It does not belong here in Fullerton. Cop behavior there is not acceptable here. Illegal cop behavior does not belong anywhere. How many bad apples are there? How many are still on the job? How many have not been caught yet because the system is protecting them? The whole thing is corrupted.

                Those of us with families do not trust the FPD.

              • #91 by Not acceptable on November 8, 2015 - 10:01 am

                And, by not condemning, instead explaining by “horny”, you are, in essence, defending Bair’s predatory actions.

                Additionally, you are reducing his behavior to simply animalistic. A cop we are paying is driven not by the the desire to protect people but to be solely driven by overriding animal horniness. P-R-E-D-I-T-O-R

                • #92 by Is there a Doctor in the house. on November 8, 2015 - 12:00 pm

                  Reality Is ALWAYS rationalizes bad behavior with his twisted pretzel logic, hence the sociopathic tendencies.

                  Read on…

                  Many people use the term sociopath as a synonym for anti-social personality disorder. But, do we actually know who are medically called as sociopaths, a term loosely used to describe a pervert or person with mental illness? Sociopaths are selfish, egocentric individuals. They just think about getting their needs and desires to be fulfilled. Their mentally twisted minds manipulate others to get what they want. They often think they are doing a great job for the society and they do not find anything bad or wrong with their lack of regard for others.

                  Psychologists and sociologists refer that those people have an unsociable character, due to parental failure or genetic make-up of some people as sociopaths. There are four subtypes of sociopaths basically:

                  Common Sociopaths:
                  These common sociopaths are characterized by their lack of conscience.

                  Alienated Sociopaths:
                  The alienated sociopaths are characterized by their inability to love and to be loved.

                  Aggressive Sociopaths:
                  The aggressive sociopaths are characterized by a streak of sadistic nature.

                  Dyssocial Sociopaths:
                  The dyssocial sociopaths have an ability to stick to gang rules. As long as the rules are wrong rules, they have no problem following them.

                  Now that we have a fair idea as to who is a sociopath, let us have a look at the tendencies as well as characteristics associated with this personality disorder.

                  Tendencies of Sociopaths
                  One of the main tendencies of sociopaths is the sole aim to win. They will do anything to get what they want and cannot afford to lose. They are very clever and convincing with their tricks to manipulate others. The sociopathic tendencies shows that they are not entangled in a web of emotions and dilemmas that any normal person goes through, but they are busy scheming and plotting ways to gain trust and then stab the unsuspecting friends and lovers in the back. They are so sly in their ways that you will never know what struck you.

                  These people have a superficial charm just like a salesman trying to sell you his products. You will be in a daze due to their glibness and never know you are doing something they want you to do. They are very manipulative and love to dominate as well as humiliate their victims. These victims are usually parents, siblings, partners as well as friends or acquaintances.

                  Another interesting tendency is that they tend to get bored very easily. This is because normal people are so occupied with their relationships and people around them, that it does not give them time to get bored now and then. But, sociopaths are shallow and empty from inside and are just playing a game to win. Thus, they get bored when there is nothing stimulating their calculating minds like drama, worry or anything negative enough to keep them active.

                  There are many serial killers who were found to be sociopaths. But, not all sociopaths are on a killing spree. They lead ordinary lives among us. They just don’t feel any emotions, empathy, remorse or care for those around them. They are just good actors who can emote the emotions around them without actually feeling them emotionally. They are shallow inside and tend to feign their emotions such as joy, love and even compassion. They are cold within and will remain unmoved in situations that is enough to shake up a normal person.

                  These people have very poor behavioral controls. Rage and aggression always alternates with periods of love and care. This puts the victim in a vicious cycle of hopelessness and despair. The abused begins to think of the periods of rage as their fault and start having low self-esteem. Sociopaths tend to move around a lot. This is because they tend to fear people will find out their real nature within. They may also fear persecution and therefore will move to different cities or places.

                  The tendencies of a sociopath creates a havoc in their family life, professional life and even among their friends. The havoc created does not affect them a bit, but those around the sociopath. They deceive, hurt and wreak the people close to them or in contact with them. They never feel sorry or guilty about their wrongdoings. They just want to take what they want, but never give back anything throughout their lives.

                  Personality Trait Checklist
                  Just go through the attributes and match the number of ‘yes’ you find about the behavior of the person you suspect to be a sociopath:

                  √ Egocentricity
                  √ Callousness
                  √ Impulsive nature
                  √ Lack of conscience
                  √ Exaggerated sexuality
                  √ Boasts excessively
                  √ Takes high risks
                  √ Finds it very difficult to resist temptation
                  √ Antagonistic nature (They show a deprecating attitude toward the opposite sex)
                  √ They show lack of interest in their partner or lover
                  √ One may feel used by the person
                  √ The victims may feel the person does not care for them much
                  √ Sociopaths tend to take a lot and give back almost nothing in return (This includes physically, materialistically, financially as well as emotionally)
                  √ Sociopaths love to make others feel sorry for them
                  √ They love flattery and tend to bask in glory
                  √ These people tend to make their victims become worried in a very sneaky way
                  √ They never feel responsible about hurting someone and will instead blame others for their mistakes

                  Do you find you have agreed to most of the points related to the things the person’s behavior with you and others? If yes, then you may be dealing with a suspected sociopath. If the person continuously hurts you, blames you for everything that goes wrong and still seeks your sympathy then the person can be termed as a sociopath.

                  Disclaimer: The above chart is just an explanation of this condition. Do not in any way interpret it as a diagnostic tool. Please consult a doctor regarding the person’s behavior for an expert diagnosis, if you suspect the person is a sociopath according to the preceding list. Remember, not all people with a few similar tendencies can be termed sociopaths.

                  It is commonly seen that such people have no affection or attachments to people around them. According to researchers, there are about three to four percent of people who are sociopaths. There are some people, who are totally sociopathic, some only slightly and others can be anything between total and slightly sociopath. They are not easy to spot and by the time you are hurt, deceived and made turned into an emotional wreak, you find the person was a sociopath. The best thing to do if faced by such a dilemma is to move on and gather the scattered pieces of your life and make no contact with the sociopath. It is difficult to cut off with someone you may love so deeply, but it will save you from more pain and troubles in future. Besides the sociopath won’t care a dime about your presence or absence as it does not affect him in any way.

                  Sociopaths never seek help for curing their antisocial personality disorder. And there is no point is trying to get them seek psychotherapy. They will just learn to hide their manipulative trait better and con you more effectively. These were some of the sociopathic traits in adults and if you know someone matching these traits, try to cut off with them or be more alert when they are around. Whatever may be the situation, it is no point in getting you self manipulated and pushed to the verge of madness.

                  • #93 by Reality Is..... on November 8, 2015 - 5:26 pm

                    Wow that read was worthless. LOL that copy paste was a waste of 2 minutes of my time I will never get back. I think you were saying that all cops are Sociopaths. Ok..

                • #94 by Reality Is..... on November 8, 2015 - 5:25 pm

                  and you are that much better by saying he molested children? You are part of the problem as well.

                  Horny is a fact. You don’t like facts. Reality.

              • #95 by Reality Is..... on November 8, 2015 - 5:24 pm

                OH man. You should find out how many cops came from other departments then. You might be surprised. Another huge place people lateral from is the LA Sheriff’s Department. People that have been in the jails for their whole careers and deal with nothing but scum in the jail. Cops lateral to other departments all the time. It’s a common element of policing at departments statewide, and nationwide. So saying that LAPD makes bad rough cops is really a stretch. Really shows how lost you are in your thought process. Some of your best Fullerton might just be the LAPD laterals.

        • #96 by Fullerton Lover on November 6, 2015 - 10:07 pm

          Wouldn’t be quite so funny if it was your own children.

          That’s why I admire the Father’s like Joe Imbriano who have the courage to stand up and fight for innocent children.

          Yours and mine.

          • #97 by Barry Levinson on November 7, 2015 - 12:30 pm

            Fullerton Lover I have repeatedly (at least 4 or five times) asked at city council meetings for the name of the FPD officer who replaced retired officer Bill Wallis since April or May who handled all issues relating to sex offenders.

            Total silence from Dan Hughes and the FPD.

            Totally unacceptable and demonstrates the arrogance of a department that refuses to provide basics information to a member of the public and one that helped them write their ordinance against child sex offenders.

            Well one of the things Dan Hughes promised when he took over as chief was to improve the FPD communication to the public. He also stated late last year at council that he could hate me but that he still could do his job objectively as it relates to dealing with me. Well here is another example where Dan Hughes has failed to do his job adequately and objectively. The above example shows what a lousy job he is doing in that respect as well.

            • #98 by Reality Is on November 7, 2015 - 5:05 pm

              Funny. I just asked him today at a community event who it was and he answered right away. He did it while telling me the other detective assignments.

              As I was saying, when you wear out your welcome you will be ignored. Just like yelling at a city council meeting about old things that are resolved and over. In one ear and out the other.

              Council and the Chief listen to the public. They care. They just don’t listen to people that spew nonsense about old things they can do nothing about. They are worried about current events and current issues facing the people they serve.

              Remember Tony B? You and other are the new Tony Bs.


              • #99 by Reality is = sociopath on November 8, 2015 - 2:37 pm

                Reality Is, you seem to fit this sociopathic type:

                “Dyssocial Sociopaths:
                The dyssocial sociopaths have an ability to stick to gang rules. As long as the rules are wrong rules, they have no problem following them.”

                • #100 by Reality Is..... on November 8, 2015 - 5:29 pm

                  Nice try. Great effort though at deception. Like I said, if you can’t find fact, just make it up. Say that the Bair guy molested children. Yell and scream about things that are old and discipline has already been rendered. Yell and scream about old council people or people that won’t listen to you. Keep it up. Your screaming is going in one ear and out the other, as you say and as you know. I’m explaining to you why, but like most mentally ill people, you refuse to listen and refuse to make changes to your methods of delivery. End result? You will keep yelling about old things, and proving how great Fullerton is doing, and they will continue to ignore you. Reality sucks sometimes doesn’t it?

                  • #101 by Anonymous on November 8, 2015 - 7:55 pm

                    Spoken like a true Dyssocial Sociopath, per the definition.

                    You are a sad individual.

                    • #102 by Reality Is..... on November 8, 2015 - 9:37 pm

                      LOL thanks. A proud one at least. 🙂

                  • #103 by Fullerton Lover on November 8, 2015 - 8:22 pm

                    You are the only one that said that Bair molested children.

                    I said that Bair was allowed to work with school children.

                    Easily verifiable online.


                    • #104 by Reality Is..... on November 8, 2015 - 9:38 pm

                      No. Not true. If I knew how to search this site I would find what was said.

                    • #105 by Reality Is..... on November 8, 2015 - 9:41 pm

                      and since you brought it up and said I as fact.

                      So Bair was allowed to work directly with children on a daily basis after they had knowledge that he had raped someone? Is that exactly what you are saying?

              • #106 by Anonymous on November 8, 2015 - 3:43 pm

                Reality Is is such a complete fraud and a total degenerate. The perfect description of a bad cop.

                People he disagrees with on this site he claims “spew nonsense”, yet he can’t pull himself away.

                The Fullerton establishment is very worried that this time people will be thrown out of office and some may even find themselves behind bars.

                • #107 by Reality Is..... on November 8, 2015 - 7:51 pm

                  LOL come on. You know I’m not a bad cop. I say spew nonsense when you spew nonsense about things that are years old and done and over. Come on. Come up with something new! Current! Show me and the community that there are current issues with the City of Fullerton and the current police chief. The best you can do is say that I’m a fraud because I state facts?

  13. #108 by Former LAPD on November 5, 2015 - 6:51 pm

    Didn’t it all start with McKinley? I understand that he retired from LAPD and then came to work for FPD. Same story with Ron Bair, came from south central LA and went to work for FPD. Same for ____________?

    These COPS originated from very tough areas, used to being a cop in very tough areas and come to work in Fullerton. Does it not make sense that they are so corrupted, coming from the environments of LAPD?

    • #109 by Reality Is on November 6, 2015 - 1:59 pm

      Yep McKinley lived LAPD laterals. Most PDs have numerous LAPD laterals. Still many in Fullerton. McKinley’s pension is huge too. He’s living the good life.

  14. #111 by Fullerton Lover on November 6, 2015 - 4:06 pm

    Do you think it was an “accident” that Fullerton College lost their accreditation for their Police Academy?

    You think old Danny Boy may have had his finger in that pie?

    I’ll cut and paste an excerpt from Officer Lira’s letter to the City Manger to give you a clue as to why they and all of the officers that went through Fullerton College lost credits for the courses that they “supposedly” took…

    “The more I look around I can’t help but feel Dan Hughes is the common theme amongst corruption that has occurred. For instance, the city is being sued by Clarke, a citizen who said he was assaulted on St Patrick’s day 2010. All those involved know it was Dan Hughes who initiated this contact and took Clarke down to the ground causing him injuries yet no record of this ever exist. In fact, this arrest was followed by Officer Cary Tong purposely slamming on the brakes and while recorded on DAR you can hear Officer Tong allowing the inmates face to slam on the “cage” three times in the Police car. I think it’s sad and ironic how now the city is being sued but up until now Hughes’ involvement is not known. To me this shows what kind of person he really is. In addition to that during this investigation he had Sgt Chocek secretly/privately go up to each officer involved and promise them lenient discipline in return for not reporting Dan Hughes’ involvement.”

    • #112 by Reality Is.... on November 6, 2015 - 5:57 pm

      No not a mistake. POST shut down Rio Hondo a few years ago for the same things. They just check certain licensing requirements here and there and find them out of whack. Shut em down. Clean house. Reopen with new people.

      DannyBoy rules Fullerton. He’s the king Cheese. Just ask Ron Thomas.

    • #113 by Fullerton Lover on November 10, 2015 - 6:11 am

      The latest and greatest on the suspended for bad behavior POST program, that purported to train police officers at Fullerton College.


      Looks like the gravy train has left the station and it isn’t coming back!

      Start the clock…

      I’ll be waiting for the rationalization for bad behavior from Reality Is, explaining how he’s seen all of this before and is standard for the course. (pun intended)

      • #114 by Reality Is on November 10, 2015 - 2:19 pm

        Sucks for the students. Shouldn’t have ever happened. Looks like it will be Rio Hondo all over again. Crazy. Clean house and reopen with a new staff. Almost identical.

        • #115 by Fullerton Lover on November 11, 2015 - 3:20 am

          Direct quotes from the article…
          “Among the problems: Three-quarters of the school’s instructors could not show they met minimum training or qualifications”

          During a meeting with upset students on Oct. 15, an instructor allegedly assaulted a student. The case is still under investigation by Fullerton police, according to Sgt. Kathryn Hamel.”

          …sounds like someone forgot to tell the student about the code of silence, and the instructor was simply reminding him?

          • #116 by Reality Is..... on November 11, 2015 - 8:37 am

            or sounds like Barry’s case? and in the end there will be no charges and it was all made up? LOL


          • #117 by Barry Levinson on November 11, 2015 - 10:41 am

            It is getting harder and harder for the city of Fullerton establishment to continue with their mantra that Fullerton is a well-run city.

            Every time a council member makes that claim they expose themselves as part of the problem and not the solution to the city’s many deep and long term problems. They are either very misinformed or are great actors to be able to make those claims with a straight face.

            If this continues, the city instead of being known as the city of trees, should be known as the city of roots because our city leadership has their collective heads buried in the dirt ignoring the growing and obvious problems facing our community. What is even worse is their current decisions are making our future problems even worse. But apparently they do not care about our future for by then they will either be retired from politics, representing us in the State legislature or at the County Board of Supervisors or continuing to live the good live representing special interests as consultants?

            • #118 by Reality Is on November 11, 2015 - 2:25 pm

              In politics you can never make everyone happy. There is always that group that is at every city council meeting yelling about something or how F’d up the council and city is. Every city is like that. As long as council members feel they are making most happy, that’s what they care about.

              Futures depends on if they are life politicians. Some come and and go. Some want bigger political spots. Some just know how hard it is to oust and incumbent.

              Politics is dirty. They know that. They also like to irritate people that hate them by ignoring them or laughing at them.

              • #119 by Fullerton - The Cesspool City on November 11, 2015 - 3:58 pm

                In other words RI is saying that our local politicians are selfish, corrupt and immature human beings. The exact opposite of the kind of people we need running our local government, i.e. mature, selfless and honest individuals.
                Their actions demonstrates a lack of concern and “love” for our city.

                • #120 by Reality Is on November 11, 2015 - 9:00 pm

                  Yes. They are. To the small group that is never happy with anything they do. Exactly.


  15. #121 by Fullerton Lover on November 9, 2015 - 6:57 am

    Fullerton Lover :
    …I just hope that it wasn’t too late for them in getting rid of Bair, also known as “Defective Bair”, by Fullerton school district personnel who worked along side of Detective Bair on a daily basis.
    This was back when Bair was working with schoolchildren here on a daily basis within the schools here in Fullerton.
    Still think that this is all fun and games as to why we’re trying to root out the bad apples before they spoil the whole bunch?

    Here is the quote you couldn’t seem to find on your own.

    Let me know when you find my verbatim quote you were unable to find on your own.


    I’ll be waiting.

    Look’s like it’s D-Day for Danny and the boys today in Santa Ana.

    I’ll be reading about the civil trial that starts today in Santa Ana for Kelly Thomas’s wrongful death …


    • #122 by Reality Is on November 9, 2015 - 12:04 pm

      That wasn’t the one. Another one said that he raped children.

      Yea I’m wondering if Ron is pumping this case up with too big of expectations. Look how mad people got when the cops gave professional opinions at the criminal trial. What more do you think will come out in this civil trial that didn’t come out in the criminal trial? Everyone will say what they thought and what they saw and what they did. We know that already from the video. They will all just confirm what’s on the video and what was or wasn’t done medically. We know video was reviewed to do reports which is legal and approved. I’m just wondering if Rons expectations are too high for what he thinks he will learn when everyone takes the stand versus what he knows already.

      Will be fun to watch.

  16. #123 by Fullerton Lover on November 9, 2015 - 4:03 pm

    You might want to ask O. J. Simpson how well he fared in the civil courts after he was found not guilty of the criminal charges.

    A preponderance of evidence is all that you need in a civil trial, as opposed to beyond a reasonable doubt in the criminal courts.

    You also have to remember that the defendants do not enjoy their 5th amendment rights when it comes time to answer Ron and Garo’s probing questions.

    That’s worth the price of admission right there.

    Media says the trial will run until possibly February.

    Wonder how much that is going to run the residents of Fullerton in legal fees?

    • #124 by Reality Is..... on November 9, 2015 - 6:37 pm

      OJ did fine. He didn’t lose anything. His pension was all he needed.

      I think it’s 50/50 that Ronald will win. Not saying he won’t win. Just wondering why he thinks he will get all this super secret unknown information.

      Yes, they will have to answer. They don’t have to answer the questions how Ron and Garo want them to answer them though.

      Yea with legal fees and settlement it will be pricey for sure. Probably out of the legal fund that is pooled for multiple cities so the city won’t feel it much.

  17. #125 by Reality Is on November 9, 2015 - 8:20 pm

    I hope to attend a few of the days. I want to see Cicci wink at me.

    • #126 by Fullerton Lover on November 10, 2015 - 2:27 pm

      OK… that last part was pretty funny ; )

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