Barry Levinson on the confidential Gennaco report on the Kelly Thomas murder


It has been said that integrity can be defined by how one behaves when no one is looking. images

WE ARE ALL LOOKING NOW

Former members of the FPD were responsible for the brutal death of Kelly Thomas

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The City of Fullerton hired Michael Gennaco and his office of “independent review” to investigate the incident. Michael Gennaco’s findings are posted here in this previously sealed confidential report.

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READ IT HERE

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Last night, a brave member of our community, Mr. Barry Levinson

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asked the hundred million dollar questions.

MY PUBLIC COMMENTS CONCERNING THE PREVIOUS LEAKED CONFIDENTIAL REPORT (ENTITLED THE “INTERNAL AFFAIRS INVESTIGATIVE REPORT INTO THE IN-CUSTODY DEATH OF KELLY THOMAS by the OIR GROUP HEADED BY MICHAEL GENNACO) BEFORE THE CITY OF FULLERTON CITY COUNCIL ON SEPTEMBER 15, 2015 WITH SOME ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS by Barry Levinson

“The previously sealed Fullerton Police Department Internal Investigation concerning the brutal beating death of Kelly Thomas reportedly stated the following:

 

“Three of the four Fullerton police officers primarily involved in the beating death of mentally ill transient Kelly Thomas violated a series of department policies, including use of force, according to an internal affairs investigation report obtained by Voice of OC.”

 

The conclusions of this report issued in April 2012 well over a year before the start of the criminal trial of Ramos and Cincinelli, seems to contradict the sworn testimony of both Fullerton Police Department Training Officer, Corporal Rubio and Fullerton Police Department Sergeant Kevin Craig.  They both testified that they saw no major violations of the Fullerton Police Department Policy Manual during the brutal beating death of Kelly Thomas and the subsequent police response to his injuries.

 

Question: Did FPD Police Chief Dan Hughes provide this crucial piece of evidence to the OC DA?

 

Question:  Didn’t the failure to admit this crucial piece of evidence at the trial refuting the testimony of both Craig and Rubio help to achieve not guilty verdicts?

 

Question:  Why hasn’t Dan Hughes suspended or taken other disciplinary action against both Craig and Rubio for allegedly committing perjury in a criminal trial?

Question:  Why didn’t Police Chief Dan Hughes take action to open up a police investigation concerning the alleged perjury by two of his officers? Why did he not follow the same course of action for this alleged felony perjury case as his department did with regard to my baseless misdemeanor case that was later dropped by the OC DA for lack of evidence? Is it asking too much of our Police Chief to treat with the same seriousness an alleged felony perjury in a murder trial by two of his officers as he did with my bogus misdemeanor case?

 

To all of you on the dais, I ask for an independent investigation on the felony perjury allegedly committed by Sergeant Kevin Craig and Training Officer Corporal Stephen Rubio?

 

I sincerely hope that this council does not ignore what I have presented to you tonight.

 

We keep hearing in this chamber that the new Fullerton Police Department is doing everything possible to regain the trust of Fullerton residents.  Clearly this confidential report shows us that a lot more needs to be done to regain that trust.

 

That concluded the statement I made during public comments at the September 15, 2015 Fullerton Council meeting.

 

PS:  It is extremely informative to note that it was Council member Jan Flory  who while I was in mid- sentence interrupted my 3-minute presentation.  She attempted in vain to get our City Attorney to rule that this information that has been out in the public purview for several months could be blocked from being disseminated by a private citizen, yours truly.   She also strongly inferred that I was doing something wrong by revealing the conclusions reached by this report penned by expert Michael Gennaco hired by our city to both make recommendations to fix our police department and report on the actions of those 6 officers the night of the Kelly Thomas beating death.  Ms. Flory valiantly tried to keep the truth from the public last night.  In my opinion this showed where Ms. Flory’s true allegiance lies and it was not with the public.”

Jan-M.-Flory

 

Lets see if the residents get some answers.  We will keep you posted.

 

  1. #1 by lawyer on September 16, 2015 - 6:43 pm

    Not sure where you got your law degree Mr. Levinson but let me try to help you out here.

    Rubio and Craig were called by the defense. They don’t make FPD policy nor are they experts on what constitutes a policy violation, nor do they implement discipline based on policy violations. If, in their opinion, there were no policy violations on the parts of the officers involved with Kelly, then that is their opinion. That is NOT perjury in any U.S. courtroom I’ve been in and I’ve been in many. They are allowed to give their opinion.

    Now, the DA could have impeached them with about three questions, which he did not do. DA could have also called a rebuttal witness who IS an expert on FPD policy but chose not to.

    Maybe you should go to the next Board of Supervisors meeting and state your grievances about the DA there.

    Did you attend the Ramos/Cicinelli trial? For that matter, have you attended ANY criminal or civil trial?
    Prosecutors and defense council use so called experts all the time. It is up to the attorney who crosses the the other side’s “expert” to impeach their testimony.

    And consider this. Rubio and Craig never saw Gennaco’s IA report before they testified and could not have possibly know what what it said. And if they HAD seen it, they certainly have the right to disagree with it.

    Until Ron Thomas chose to leak that report to the media (a move which damn near backfired on him), the only people who saw it would have been Gennaco and Hughes and maybe some attorneys.

    Finally – and this is where you are so far out in left field, you should probably just talk on matters you know about because it is definitely not law – The Fullerton police chief would NOT be the one to launch a perjury investigation. It would have been up to the DA to convince a the judge to do that. It does not fall back on Hughes, who had absolutely nothing to do with the trial.

    Just trying to help you out here.
    Peace!

    • #2 by Anonymous on September 17, 2015 - 6:23 pm

      agreed. Saying Craig and Rubio committed perjury when they were called to the stand to give their opinion is more than a stretch. But it’s fun to think about I guess

  2. #3 by lawyer on September 16, 2015 - 6:50 pm

    And by the way, thanks to blogs such as this that chose to publish the confidential IA report, the document will not be permitted as evidence in the civil case. So give yourself a pat on the back!

    • #4 by FD on September 17, 2015 - 8:41 pm

      The proverbial genie was let out of the bottle in a brazen move by none other that Mr. Ron Thomas. It was his choice to gamble with admissibility. The OIR was hired by and paid for by the city to produce a critical analysis of the entire chain of events leading up to the death of Kelly Thomas. It is not up to Dan Hughes to try to put the genie back in the bottle when it involves his employees.

  3. #5 by anon on September 16, 2015 - 8:28 pm

    Hughes has his informants and lap dogs all over town. Looks like he has five more on the council. A man lost his life and everyone dodges the issue. Business as usual in Foolerton? You bet. Keep digging because you are about to hit pay dirt on this one.

  4. #6 by Anonymous on September 16, 2015 - 8:30 pm

    Barry you are nothing but a big mouthed blowhard. Give it up.

    • #7 by Anonymous on September 16, 2015 - 9:21 pm

      Barry you need to run with Joe in 2016. I hope you two are up to it. Great job last night.

      • #8 by not! on September 17, 2015 - 7:45 pm

        Barry and Joe! Great ticket
        One guy who believes the government is using iPads to control the population and another guy who bullies women and thinks every single action in Fullerton is part of a conspiracy.

        • #9 by Joe Imbriano on September 17, 2015 - 10:32 pm

          The iPads are being deployed in schools to sterilize your children. I am glad you understand what is happening and yes 2016 is right around the corner. Would you like to support the campaign?

          • #10 by not! on September 19, 2015 - 4:31 pm

            Ok, I’ll bite. Why does the government want to sterilize our children?

            • #11 by Joe Imbriano on September 20, 2015 - 8:49 am

              Simple-the moat around the castle doesnt work anymore and there are too many people to control

              There are 2 legs to the depopulation agenda-one is vaccines-
              https://thefullertoninformer.com/fast-and-furious-fast-tracking-sb-277-forced-sterilization-and-the-death-of-paul-walker/

              The other is wireless-https://thefullertoninformer.com/apple-666-project-inkwell-and-agenda-21-an-expose-with-an-all-star-cast/

              Both of which directly involve schools and the children’s very own parents being directly involved

              The following are 22 shocking population control quotes from the some of the global elite:

              #1) The March 2009 U.N. Population Division policy brief….

              “What would it take to accelerate fertility decline in the least developed countries?”

              #2) Microsoft’s Bill Gates….

              “The world today has 6.8 billion people. That’s heading up to about nine billion. Now if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by perhaps 10 or 15 percent.”

              #3) Barack Obama’s top science advisor, John P. Holdren….

              “A program of sterilizing women after their second or third child, despite the relatively greater difficulty of the operation than vasectomy, might be easier to implement than trying to sterilize men.

              The development of a long-term sterilizing capsule that could be implanted under the skin and removed when pregnancy is desired opens additional possibilities for coercive fertility control. The capsule could be implanted at puberty and might be removable, with official permission, for a limited number of births.”

              #4) George W. Bush’s science advisor Paul Ehrlich….

              “Each person we add now disproportionately impacts on the environment and life-support systems of the planet.”

              #5) U.S. Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg….

              “Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of.”

              #6) A United Nations Population Fund report entitled “Facing a Changing World: Women, Population and Climate”….

              “No human is genuinely ‘carbon neutral,’ especially when all greenhouse gases are figured into the equation.”

              #7) David Rockefeller….

              “The negative impact of population growth on all of our planetary ecosystems is becoming appallingly evident.”

              #8) Jacques Cousteau….

              “In order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 people per day.”

              #9) CNN Founder Ted Turner….

              “A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal.”

              #10) Dave Foreman, Earth First Co-Founder….

              “My three main goals would be to reduce human population to about 100 million worldwide, destroy the industrial infrastructure and see wilderness, with it’s full complement of species, returning throughout the world.”

              #11) Prince Phillip, the Duke of Edinburgh….

              “If I were reincarnated I would wish to be returned to earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels.”

              #12) David Brower, first Executive Director of the Sierra Club….

              “Childbearing [should be] a punishable crime against society, unless the parents hold a government license … All potential parents [should be] required to use contraceptive chemicals, the government issuing antidotes to citizens chosen for childbearing.”

              #13) Planned Parenthood Founder Margaret Sanger….

              “The most merciful thing that a family does to one of its infant members is to kill it.”

              #14) Planned Parenthood Founder Margaret Sanger. Woman, Morality, and Birth Control. New York: New York Publishing Company, 1922. Page 12….

              “Birth control must lead ultimately to a cleaner race.”

              #15) Princeton philosopher Peter Singer….

              “So why don’t we make ourselves the last generation on earth? If we would all agree to have ourselves sterilized then no sacrifices would be required — we could party our way into extinction!”

              #16) Thomas Ferguson, former official in the U.S. State Department Office of Population Affairs….

              “There is a single theme behind all our work–we must reduce population levels. Either governments do it our way, through nice clean methods, or they will get the kinds of mess that we have in El Salvador, or in Iran or in Beirut. Population is a political problem. Once population is out of control, it requires authoritarian government, even fascism, to reduce it….”

              #17) Mikhail Gorbachev….

              “We must speak more clearly about sexuality, contraception, about abortion, about values that control population, because the ecological crisis, in short, is the population crisis. Cut the population by 90% and there aren’t enough people left to do a great deal of ecological damage.”

              #18) John Guillebaud, professor of family planning at University College London….

              “The effect on the planet of having one child less is an order of magnitude greater than all these other things we might do, such as switching off lights. An extra child is the equivalent of a lot of flights across the planet.”

              #19) Professor of Biology at the University of Texas at Austin Eric R. Pianka….

              “This planet might be able to support perhaps as many as half a billion people who could live a sustainable life in relative comfort. Human populations must be greatly diminished, and as quickly as possible to limit further environmental damage.”

              #20) U.S. Secretary Of State Hillary Clinton….

              “This year, the United States renewed funding of reproductive healthcare through the United Nations Population Fund, and more funding is on the way. The U.S. Congress recently appropriated more than $648 million in foreign assistance to family planning and reproductive health programs worldwide. That’s the largest allocation in more than a decade – since we last had a Democratic president, I might add.”

              #21) Clinton adviser Nina Fedoroff….

              “We need to continue to decrease the growth rate of the global population; the planet can’t support many more people.”

              #22) The first of the “new 10 commandments” on the Georgia Guidestones….

              “Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature

              • #12 by Anonymous on September 20, 2015 - 10:13 am

                Too many deniers out there. Never in a million years will you be able to stop this.

        • #13 by Anonymous on September 22, 2015 - 12:08 am

          A wise man once said. “He who does not want a lawsuit brought against them, would be wise not to defame others.”

    • #14 by Joe Imbriano on September 16, 2015 - 9:46 pm

      You must be referring to Jan Floryde who tried to shut Barry up last night but the city attorney shut that divorce attorney down.

  5. #15 by Anonymous on September 16, 2015 - 8:52 pm

    The vermin sure do come out of the woodwork when you put the FPD on the defensive.

  6. #16 by Anon2 on September 16, 2015 - 9:00 pm

    Lawyer, dont try to help Barry. He’s not going to listen. And it’s amusing watching him make a jackass out of himself every first and third Tuesday!

    • #17 by just an observer on September 18, 2015 - 5:36 am

      Let me preface by saying that in the past, I have strongly supported our Police Department and have always been against outsourcing our police and fire services. I do however, have some dire concerns over the apparent strange dichotomy Mr. Levinson so articulately pointed out.

      It has been alleged here and on other sites critical of the FPD that Dan Hughes has been part of the culture of corruption for decades. He has been alleged to have lived deep in it. The real question at hand is how much of it has he had control over since he became chief. I have read the complaint that Dan Hughes penned and filed against Mr. Levinson and Mr Gutierrez. I find it deeply concerning that when compared against the city’s video provided on this site, there is no connection established between the alleged facts of the report and the footage.

      Mr. Levinson’s points were well spoken and his points well taken. To me the gist of his points were very simple. If potentially baseless allegations were made into a criminal complaint with the video evidence of a non event involving Mr. Levinson and Mr. Gutierrez failing to remotely resemble what was alleged, then why would Dan Hughes press the issue with the fullest vigor and legality? Why would Dan Hughes ignore what Mr. Gennaco’s findings were as they related to FPD officers Craig and Rubio. After all it was a murder trial and a man was killed. What allegedly occurred with Mr. Levinson and Mr. Gutierrez appeared to involved no physical contact whatsoever from what I could discern from the footage.

      It certainly could be reasonably argued that Dan Hughes “picks and chooses” his battles from a POLITICAL perspective and this could be a case and point example of just that.

      Oddly enought, the council had absolutley no response to Mr. Levinson’s concerns that were presented and I sat through the entire meeting. By the end of the evening, I was in utter disbelief while of all people, Bruce Whitaker, appeared to completely ignore everything he said.

      There certainly seems to be large rifts forming in all segments of the political landscape in large part due to the polarizing effect of Mr. Imbriano and this website. The borders and parameters surrounding what is debatable have certainly broadened since the Informer entered the scene.

      What I really fear is that without unity among the conservative factions, there will remain little hope for any much needed meaningful change that Fullerton so desperately needs. Drastic changes may never be possible due to the cognitive dissonance shared by the entire strata of the community.

      Real leaders lead and I firmly believe those that can’t won’t survive and those that can will eventually emerge. It will be an interesting election cycle in 2016 for sure. I think just about anything is possible now with all of this splintering of what once seemed solid.

  7. #18 by Fullerton's Conscience on September 16, 2015 - 9:55 pm

    The Fullerton establishment is very afraid Mr. Levinson. With every additional personal attack against you Mr. Levinson, it is clear that your opponents are very worried that you might run again. They have nothing but empty childish insults. And to think Mr. Levinson these are the people who support our current city hall. No wonder the city is such a darn mess.

  8. #19 by Anonymous on September 16, 2015 - 10:25 pm

    Fullerton establishment is afraid of Mr. Levinson? Name one thing he has ever said or done that has resulted in any change?

    • #20 by Joe Imbriano on September 17, 2015 - 12:07 am

      Barry has set the bar for true reform and conservatism in Fullerton. He deals with the real issues not just the safe political footballs like the phonies, the wanna bees and fence sitters do. He stopped the DCCP in its tracks on midsummer’s night when uncle Joe had the whole thing ready to sack with the live feed cut and the meeting in the library room. Fullerton almost went straight to hell that night. Where were you that night, in a hot tub with Ponzi?

      He packed the council chambers and saved Laguna Lake. Then there is the cell tower that almost went into Richman Park that may just land a few people in jail that will really surprise you. He saved people’s children from the out of control FPD by continuing to shine the light of day curtailing their criminal activities. He has even had an effect on you and your goombas that seem to spend an inordinate amount of time here on this site that is 20 pounds of crazy in a 5 pound bag (which by the way, the more the merrier) where I discuss how every facet of our community is corrupt and rotten to the core.

      You know, killer cops, rigged trials, frame ups, ripping off the taxpayers, corrupt local government, your children being sterilized by forced school wireless exposure and forced school entry vaccines, the geoengineered drought, agenda 21, NASA fraud, crooked worthless churches, school district lackeys dumbing down the kids, demonic video games your children are addicted to and the other 219 articles you can find on this website. You know all the stuff that no one would touch with a ten foot pole because they are all given over to worshiping their paltry paychecks, their pensions, their fake fair weather friends, their thin and unstable political connections as you all drink to that while your children will inherit all of this nightmare in the making that spells the end of your posterity.

      Barry? Heck he’s the least of your problems believe me. He is just a sheepdog and you guys can’t even handle his bark. Just wait until the pits are turned loose. There are 150,000 people in this town and you will never keep them all down. We just have to get past the fifty or so gatekeepers and phonies that are already stepping aside drooling all over themselves because they are nothing but myopic cowardly political animals on someone else’s short leash. Go get em Barry.

      • #21 by Barry Levinson on September 17, 2015 - 12:29 pm

        Joe you have provided a few examples of my direct influence on the City of Fullerton and yet Anonymous refuses to respond. What Anonymous should do if he/she had any integrity is to apologize for his obvious factually incorrect comments about me? But we all know that will not happen.

        Anyone who will not identify themselves yet continually make baseless personal attacks are individuals that should have earned the scorn and pity of every decent person visiting this site.

        • #22 by Ben on September 17, 2015 - 11:48 pm

          But Mr Levinson , dont you know that the founders of this great nation used pseudonyms during the revolution lest they would get hung for treason. At least that is what Travis used to say when the bloggers on the FFFF blog were critcized for also hiding behind phony screan names.

  9. #23 by yo on September 17, 2015 - 8:53 am

    The men in white suits should be arriving any time now.

  10. #24 by Anonymous on September 17, 2015 - 10:42 am

    Reminds me of the scene at the beginning of the Academy Award winning movie, Anne Hall, when Woody Allen flashes back to his childhood in Brooklyn. He’s sitting in the doctor’s office with his mother. The young Woody says, and I’m paraphrasing, “The universe is expanding and will one day blow up.” Mom tells the doctor, “He’s stopped doing his homework!”
    Woody says, “What’s the point?”

  11. #25 by Barry Levinson on September 18, 2015 - 8:18 am

    Ben I am not criticizing people who do not identify themselves in general. I am however, criticizing those that only spew baseless personal attacks. Those that do are not interested in an exchange of ideas but only character assassination.

    • #26 by Anonymous on September 18, 2015 - 4:51 pm

      You can’t be serious Barry!!! Imbriano spews personal attacks all the time on this site.

      • #27 by Joe Imbriano on September 18, 2015 - 8:14 pm

        Personal attacks are being carried out by the following:

        Upwards of 15,000 Fullerton school children every year are being personally attacked by the school administrators and complicit staff. Children are being sterilized as they are forced to endure permanent reproductive harm as a result of forced exposure to unprecedented levels of microwave wireless RF exposure in the classrooms and the sterilant and wireless activated nano tech laden forced vaccinations being forced on these children just so they can attend school.

        Children and their families are being personally attacked by the brain damaging, critical thinking destroying, intrusive common core and its dossier and algorithm developing agenda as they get their civic mindedness engineered right out of them.

        Children are being attacked by having their world views torn apart by fraudulent science taught to them that says they evolved from rocks and monkeys while they are clueless to the fact that modern medicine is a massive eugenics program disguised as a savior.

        Children are being attacked by the satanic video game addictions, music and media that is sucking their souls to hell.

        Children are being attacked by the local press that is complicit in all of the aforementioned with their party line twoing status quo preserving willful blindness.

        The Taxpayers are being personally attacked by the pure robbery at all the local and elected levels by the public employee unions in the school districts, at city hall and all the con job projects that are getting rammed through at 11 oclock at night on a Tuesday when no one is looking.

        Residents are being attacked by the phony churches stealing all of their money to pay ridculous salaries, buy apartment complexes, mutual funds, and investments as they build monstrosities that are closed 6 days a week that serve as cash registers and no other purpose while Bibles are available at the 99 cent store.

        Finally the citizens are being personally attacked by out of control cops that frame, maim, and kill that the local media covers for and I could go on.

        You call me calling these people out with their outlandishly dangerous behavior personal attacks? Sticks and stones pal. Get over it. It is called a free press and it comes with the territory when you are on the wrong side of things.

        • #28 by Anonymous on September 19, 2015 - 12:37 am

          Joe, please, please please!!!
          Run for city council in 2016. I’d vote for you in a heartbeat.
          And if you won, Fullerton council meetings would be the best show in town!
          You could set up a popcorn concession in the parking lot and make a killing!

          • #29 by Joe Imbriano on September 19, 2015 - 5:02 pm

            We will need a couple of paddy wagons, a few 40 yard roll away containers and a personnel agency to rehire everyone after their contracts are all cancelled because we have to outsource all of the positions to the private sector. You know, pay prevailing wages and offer 401k’s where they have to save for their own retirement. You actually think Mckinley could have managed to put away 10,000,000 in salary deferrals to fund his retirement in his career while paying his bills like the rest of us? You people have got to be kidding. You know it is the ONLY solution to solve our problems otherwise, everything continues in steep decline as costs rise exponentially and inversely proportianately to revenue. Come on. You think the current model is sustainable? Anyone that claims otherwise that fails to deliver the only solution is no different than Flouride, Fitzpringle, and Chaffeepoo. Might as well just re elect them or another union hack. These 3 exist solely to keep the union’s getting what they ask for to the DETRIMENT of the residents. Everything they vote for is geared to do just that and keep them in the chairs. It is all a joke. All this BS about parades, acting like they care with all these dog and pony shows, these presentations that are the epitome of their own hipocrisy, all this cop worship while they are behind closed doors in closed session paying of the lawsuits madd programs while the town is awash in liquor, Jan’s diatribes ignore the 300 million in road, sewer and water main repair that are designed to keep your eyes off the ball, Fitzpringle and her off the chart conflicts of interest hidden by her phony conservative veneer, and then there is Chafe as he slides his jaw sideways and grits his teeth yeah you Doug. I don’t want to hear about their birthdays, anniversaries or their kids. I want to see this town climb out of this shit hole they have dug us into and continue to dig. Hundreds of millions in unfunded liabilities, lawsuits galore, crooked molesting framing cops, the fire department raping the taxpayers with their redundancies in labor and out of control contracts and salaries, while they parade around town for no reason with their million dollar trucks for non emergencies just to justify their existence while in fact they have nothing to do all day except eat and watch TV with the dollar still pegged to oil trades? How long do you think this is going to last? I guess the solution is to make me out to be the issue while everyone worries about a slurry coat at city hall and the ball game while ignoring a zoo full of elephants in the room.

            • #30 by Anonymous on September 21, 2015 - 2:08 pm

              Well stated. The whole thing is gonna crash.

        • #31 by Anonymous on September 20, 2015 - 2:54 pm

          Joe,
          When you say phony churches are ripping off residents, what specific churches are you referring to? In Fullerton? Which ones? And how are they ripping people off? Is there a church you recommend?

          Barry,
          if you are reading this, perhaps you can weigh in as well. Do you have issues with specific churches in town ripping off the residents? If so,which ones?

          Dozens of churches in this town.

  12. #32 by Barry Levinson on September 18, 2015 - 9:01 am

    Anonymous the point is both very simple and profound. There are still some of us who believe in truth, justice, fairness, objectivity and freedom.

    I for one will never say “Whats the Point”. I will always strive for the best possible government which requires our politicians to put the people’s interests ahead of their own. In Fullerton there has been an almost total disconnect with that simple premise.

  13. #33 by IA on September 18, 2015 - 12:18 pm

    Funny too how the city was so heavily criticized for hiring Gennaco. How could a consultant paid by the city be fair and objective, screamed the ctitics. Never mind the fact that cities hire outside consultants all the time. But I digress. When you read the IA report, Gennaco pulled no punches in crituqing the actions of FPD officers in Kelly Thomas beating. Gennaco was pretty scathing towards the cops. From where I stand, Gennaco did a fine job.

    • #34 by culture of corruption club on September 19, 2015 - 4:11 pm

      Yeah it was all cooked to order with a side of fries and sent back when they were too brown. Hughes calls the shots and don’t you forget it. Get out of line and a screen check, a frame up or a fingering session awaits by one of Fullerton’s finest dressed in black. If you are really special, well they will have a bed sheet in your cell for you to hang yourself with while the watchman smashes his DAR all over the place singing along to the heavy metal music.

      • #35 by streets on September 20, 2015 - 9:41 am

        That’s a good one!

  14. #36 by The Ponz says ayhhhh on September 19, 2015 - 4:31 pm

    Hey Joe, don’t forget to invite Sharon Kennedy and her ultra thin chic establishment lib gal pal posse for some good old fashioned entertainment,juicy gossip over cheap wine and frosting tasting. A little birdie told me that if you deep fry just about anything for them, the gals will go wild. I hear the Ponz may dig it.

    • #37 by Anonymous on September 19, 2015 - 11:09 pm

      You are an asshole. Cheap shots, no wonder no one pays any attention to this blog. Just conspiracy theories, ad hominem and personal attacks from the town gadflies. Your time is coming.

      • #38 by threat? on September 20, 2015 - 3:01 pm

        Is that a threat?

        • #39 by Joe Imbriano on September 20, 2015 - 7:46 pm

          Sure sounds like one. Their defensive posture is clearly a sign of our effectiveness in our war against their criminality, lies as well as their their weaknesses. They always try to make the issue me and not the people ruining our city, their children, or ripping them off. Funny how so many are so in bed with their own, their family’s or their friends’ government teaching, police, fire, city hall and tech jobs that they can’t break free if their lives depended on it to do what is right much less rescue their children. Doing me in does nothing to stop what is being done to you, your family and your children by all of these thugs. As a matter of fact, it will only get worse faster if no one is fighting them. What a moron.

          • #40 by Anonymous on September 20, 2015 - 10:25 pm

            Joe: Do you have timeline as to when the city will completely implode? Weeks? Months? Years? Decades? Will it happen all at once? Slowly over time?
            And how will it happen? Rioting in the streets? A city -wide plague? Businesses shutting down? Mass exodus?
            Dictatorship in which every single freedom is stripped away?
            When should we get out of Dodge?

            • #41 by Joe Imbriano on September 20, 2015 - 10:43 pm

              Why can you get a sack of beans for a dollar in the US but in other countries a sack of beans costs you a sack of rice?

  15. #42 by Eoj on September 19, 2015 - 5:50 pm

    Hey Joe,
    Why is it that many of these commenters seem to have the exact same writing style as you do? You wouldn’t be responding to your own blogs/comments, would you?
    Nobody could be that tacky.

    • #43 by Anonymous on September 19, 2015 - 8:27 pm

      Great minds think alike.

      • #44 by Anonymous on September 21, 2015 - 3:09 pm

        Crazy minds have the same disturbed vibe.

  16. #45 by Barry Levinson on September 20, 2015 - 10:38 pm

    I have one question for those who care about the city of Fullerton.

    1) Who will have the decency, integrity and the courage to come to the next Fullerton City Council meeting on Tuesday, October 6, 2015 starting at 6:30pm to demand answers to my above questions from Police Chief Dan Hughes and our City Council members?

  17. #46 by lawyer on September 21, 2015 - 10:36 am

    Mr. Levinson, does this mean that those who choose not to attend don’t care about Fullerton, are not decent, have no integrity or no courage?

    Never cared for the strategy of trying to shame people into doing something.

    By the way, you should read comment No.1 listed after this blog post. Sums the facts up rather succinctly.

    • #47 by Joe Imbriano on September 21, 2015 - 12:22 pm

      I would say that your statement directly applies to those phonies in office and running for office that remain silent on the issues albeit it never stopped any of you from framing or marginalizing the messengers.

      Lawyer, they lied, a man was murdered and the killers are on the loose. Dan Hughes needs to investigate these officers. If they have a different understanding of procedures that a standardization unit entity such as Gennaco does, then it needs to be critically analyzed by Hughes because there are still killers on the force and they will kill again.

      • #48 by lawyer on September 21, 2015 - 1:26 pm

        Since you seem to have such a solid understanding of the law, perhaps you can tell your readers where you attended law school?

        I will say it again, statements made by those two officers on the stand were their opinions. If they lied, it would be up to the D.A. to expose. He could have asked 2-3 simple questions on cross examination to reveal that. You should be taking your fight to the Orange County Board of Supervisors, or better yet, to the D.A. himself. Why don’t you demand that the D.A. seek perjury charges against the two officers. Has nothing to do with Hughes …. nothing, zilch, zero.

        And while we’re on the topic, you keep alleging that Mr. Levinson was the target of some sort of frame up by the police. If you or he are so certain of this, file a lawsuit for malicious prosecution. As you are well aware, plaintiffs sue the police all the time. You can hire Ron Thomas’ attorney Garo Mardirossian, who has sued FPD five times.
        People like you and Mr. Levinson crack me up. You both stand at the podium in council chambers with cameras rolling and accuse public officials of crimes and malfeasance. Ok smart guy do something about it! Put your money where you mouth is! Get a lawyer and file a lawsuit! Contact the DA! Contact the State Attorney General! There are attorneys out there who live for these kinds of cases.

        • #49 by Mark Powell on October 6, 2015 - 10:28 pm

          A Hindu, a Jew and a lawyer were taking a road trip through the backwoods of Tennessee.

          They had been driving all day and were tired, but there was no hotel to be found. They came across a farmhouse and decided to ask the owner if they could stay with him for the night.

          “Sure, y’all can stay here,” the farmer said. “But the bed in the guestroom only sleeps two people, so one of you will have to sleep out in the barn. Don’t worry – it’s nice out there. I sleep there myself when the wife is mad at me.”

          The barn sounded fine to the Hindu.

          “You two fellows take the bed and I’ll sleep out in the barn,” the Hindu said.

          The lawyer and the Jew were getting settled down in the bed when they heard a knock on the guestroom door. It was the Hindu.

          “There’s a cow at there,” he said. “I’m not sleeping under the same roof as a cow.”

          “That’s fine,” the Jew said. “You two take the bed and I’ll sleep out in the barn.”

          The lawyer and the Hindu were getting settled down in the bed when they heard a knock at the door. It was the Jew.

          “There’s a pig out there,” he said. “There’s no way I’m sleeping with a pig!”

          “That’s fine,” the lawyer said. “Y’all take the bed and I’ll sleep in the barn.”

          The Jew and the Hindu were getting settled down in the bed when they heard a knock at the door. It was the cow and the pig.

  18. #50 by Anonymous on September 21, 2015 - 1:24 pm

    For a so-called lawyer you have a real problem with simple English. Mr. Levinson made himself very clear and all you are trying to do is twist his words.

    • #51 by lawyer on September 21, 2015 - 4:44 pm

      Whatever. if he want’s to keep blathering on at council meetings and writing on blogs, be my guest. But anyone can talk a good game. Means nothing until you take some concrete action.

      • #52 by Joe Imbriano on September 22, 2015 - 3:21 pm

        Game on phase 1

      • #53 by Sense on September 22, 2015 - 6:16 pm

        Why would anyone put their own money up for a lawsuit against the city? Everything is crooked and corrupt. There is no legal remedy against the lies and corruption because justice would not be served and we know that. But I guess you needed that pointed out.

        • #54 by Joe Imbriano on September 22, 2015 - 8:56 pm

          This is an establishment person speaking no doubt. I guess they are feeling pretty bold and quite good about their abuses of power. They literally got away with murder and it was all on tape. They used the taxpayer funded criminal justice apparatus against Kelly, and then turned the judicial arm against his family and the entire Nation with the satanic legal wrangling and the verdict. Now they tried to use the local government, police department, elected officials and even city employees to try to frame Barry Levinson. Barry is nobody’s fool, that is all I will say.

  19. #55 by Reality Is..... on October 6, 2015 - 10:01 am

    Well well well. It’s been awhile since FFFF got shut down due to the defamation by Tony B and his boyfriend Travis. Good to see the crap talking is still going on. I predicted from the start that Tony B’s money would all be wasted and that Travis’ political career would last no longer than 1 year. Funny how karma works around these parts.

    How’s Tony B doing by the way? He still paying off his boys to do behind the scenes work? Or is he still just high daily dreaming of buying off the city? Did Travis jump off a cliff? Or is he taking college classes on how to be a politician now that he got that BS thrown back in his face about checkpoints and the other things that ruined his career quickly?

    Oh Daddy Ron Thomas. Goal from day 1 was to get as much TV exposure as possible. He got shut up quick and tried a last ditch effort to release some confidential documents in an attempt to get his name and face back on TV. How’s that working out for you? Did anyone care about the information you released? Yes, the civil defense team did!! They thank you very much.

    Barry, keep wasting your time on these grasping efforts at bringing down the City. Did you notice that not one councilperson listened or cared about a word you said? Don’t you know by now that you lost, and they don’t care what you say? Maybe ask Tony B to front another $500,000 and see if you can get Jan kicked off council? I love it when Tony blows his wad on stupid things.

    Civil trial coming up soon. Can’t wait for ol’ Ronny boy to walk away with his tail between his legs.

    Good to be back. Just always remember that I told you the cops would walk. You just have to remember at all times what the Reality Is……..

    • #56 by Confused? on October 6, 2015 - 2:45 pm

      You write a lot about “Tony B”. Are you on the wrong blog? Are you lost? Tony B has NOTHING to do with this site.

  20. #57 by Fullerton Lover on October 6, 2015 - 2:03 pm

    I thought Tony had you buried out in the desert?

    Must have gotten the wrong Reality Is.

    Oh well if at first you don’t succeed: )

  21. #58 by Reality Is on October 6, 2015 - 7:57 pm

    🙂

  22. #59 by Rudy on October 6, 2015 - 9:59 pm

    Nice job tonight Joe and hats off to Barry. How is it than not one of the council members even addressed the issue? Something is really wrong with these people. I just don’t think Fullerton can be fixed unless we remove them from office and replace them with leaders instead of politicians.

    • #60 by meh-meh on October 6, 2015 - 11:39 pm

      None of the council members addressed the issue because they wouldn’t even dignify such outlandish comments with a response.
      Investigate Rubio and Craig for perjury? Really? It is so so obvious that Levinson is a cop hater. Go protest in front of the DA’s office, if you think perjury was committed.

      • #61 by Kang on October 7, 2015 - 12:17 pm

        Nobody cares for us. They only care for getting elected. They no friends of the people only their own kind of connections. We need to have a district elections and this is good reason.

      • #62 by Barry Levinson on October 7, 2015 - 4:24 pm

        meh-meh my two biggest heroes are my dad and his older brother, both career NYC police officers. They served and protected the public with honor, integrity and distinction.

        My only problem is with bad police officers and those that protect them.

    • #63 by Fullerton Lover on October 7, 2015 - 7:34 am

      The document that’s enclosed within this link should go a LONG way Rudy in helping you and other readers of this fine blog to understand the thought process of the police and fire department unions in Fullerton that decided to game the elections and start spending their union dues on buying Fullerton city council elections, and to also spend tens of thousands of dollars each election cycle to sully the residents who try to oppose the police and fire unions candidates that the police and fire union sponsor to do their bidding such as Jan Flory, Doug Chaffee, and Larry Bennett.

      http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/2011/peer-into-the-thought-process-of-the-fpoa/

    • #64 by Barry Levinson on October 7, 2015 - 4:31 pm

      Rudy, in two council meetings in a row, all 5 council members ignored the 800 pound gorilla in the room, the leaked Gennaco report. We paid $60,000 I believe for that report and its conclusions are very clear.

      Did we the taxpayers, pay for something that might have been ignored by our Police Chief, Dan Hughes?

      The public deserves answers.

      After all it was the newly appointed Dan Hughes who stated that he would improve the communication between his department and the public. We are still waited Police Chief Hughes.

      • #65 by meh-meh on October 7, 2015 - 7:24 pm

        study up on the law Barry. If you really believe that these officers committed perjury, why aren’t you knocking the DA’s door?
        No 800 pound gorilla in the room.
        Gennaco did his job quite well, as you pointed out.
        And Hughes did his job too. Did he not fire three officers?
        For the 10th time, Rubio and Craig gave their opinions. If, in their opinion, no policy violations occurred, then that is THEIR opinion. They don’t make policy, nor do they decide when policies were violated.
        Again, for the 10th time, the jury saw the video. The jury saw the FPD policy manual as it pertains to excessive force. The DA absolutely had every bit of evidence that existed, including Gennaco’s IA report.
        The jury made their decision. if you don’t agree with it … tough! Go bother the DA. Go bother the state attorney general.

        • #66 by P.C. Transparency on October 8, 2015 - 11:55 pm

          Once again you refuse to respond to the facts meh-meh. YOU CLAIM THAT RUBIO (WHO WAS AND STILL TO THIS DAY IS THE FPD TRAINING OFFICER), WAS NOT AN EXPERT WITNESS. According to meh-meh, why should he know anything about the subject matter of his high paid full-time job?
          According to meh-meh the fact that he trains all members of the FPD on all FPD policies and procedures does not mean that he should be knowledgable about such a topic.
          I and any other objective person have a real problem with police testimony that contradicts the outside, independent expert, Gennaco that our Police Chief was supposed to rely on to “reform” his department. Let us hear from Police Chief Hughes as to who he believes is correct. After all communication and transparency were supposed to be the hallmark of his tenure as Fullerton Police Chief.

          • #67 by Concerned Fullerton resident on October 11, 2015 - 11:49 pm

            I have been following the debate back and forth here. This is an extremely important set of questions being asked of our public officials. It all seems to be coming down to whether or not Dan Hughes and Tony Rackaukus made sure that everyone had a chance to read The Gennaco report. That would include the officers, the prosecution, the jury and the defense. That is the real question that needs to be answered. Dan Hughes should be the person who should answer Mr. Levinson. His questions are more than fair and Mr. Levinson is a resident.

            • #68 by Reality Is..... on October 15, 2015 - 10:34 pm

              Gennaco report is a personnel document and therefore it’s not public. It wasn’t viewed by the jury for sure. It was only leaked by Ron Thomas which will probably cost him a few million by purposefully leaking it. OOPS.

              • #69 by The Twilight Zone on October 16, 2015 - 12:55 pm

                Realty Is calls this report a “personal document”. He fails to state that it was bought and paid for by the Fullerton taxpayers. It was supposed to be used by the FPD Police Chief to reform and revamp the police department and not to be buried along with Kelly Thomas.
                Another misstatement by Reality Is relates to the trial. All information pertaining to those officers was subpoenaed by the prosecution.
                Just a few more examples proving without a doubt that; Honesty thy name is Not “Realty Is”.
                Question: How many times does Realty Is misinform the readers of this site? Answer: How many times does Realty Is post something on this site.
                The Power Structure of the City of Fullerton is very worried that the public is now learning the truth about their corrupt city government. The proof is people like Realty Is, nut job, meh-meh and others who troll this site.
                Go get them Joe, Barry, Fullerton Lover and Fullerton’s Conscience. Please continue to wake up the sleeping Giant; the good people of Fullerton.

                • #70 by Reality Is..... on October 19, 2015 - 10:59 am

                  Go read POBAR twilight zone. It will enlighten you a little bit on why it’s confidential. It’s not that hard to understand for a someone lacking brain cells like you.

                  Everything I say is fact. You and others just hate facts because it ruins your arguments and your cases. It’s why city council and city leaders ignore your ramblings.

                  No one is worried in Fullerton. If they were worried they wouldn’t have hired Danny Hughes as Chief. He was the supervisor at the time of the Kelly incident. You think they are scared?

                  Fullerton went through the phase of people like you trying to buy your own city council. Travis was run out as fast as he opened his mouth. That’s your type of leader.

                  Kelly was a tragic incident that no one wanted to happen. Kelly made a choice and the jury said it was his fault. Support the system in place. The cops were found guilty and most are back at work patrolling your neighborhoods.

                  All cops that lie and commit crimes should be held accountable. I feel that they are.

                  No you covered it all twilight zone. That’s for clarifying everything that I was saying.

                  🙂

                  • #71 by Danny boy? on October 19, 2015 - 12:18 pm

                    You are so very defensive of ‘Danny Hughes’. You got a thing for Danny boy?

                    • #72 by Reality Is on October 19, 2015 - 8:49 pm

                      Maybe im Danny Boy?

              • #73 by To: Reality Is . . . on October 16, 2015 - 7:20 pm

                We get it already. You love corruption, lies, murdering homeless men, corrupt cops, dan hughes, . . .

                Did I leave anything out????

                • #74 by Anonymous on October 17, 2015 - 11:38 am

                  You did leave a few things out such as police who break the law rather than protect and defend it and power hungry, money grubbing city managers and those council members who are in bed with him.

                  • #75 by whiskey tango foxtrot on October 20, 2015 - 10:12 am

                    Given the Gennaco report, it looks like The District Attorney had to work overtime to get them off. Look at how the the jury foreman just so happened to be a former assistant DA who had worked for him. Rackaukus made sure he prosecuted the case so he was in total control of every detail down to the last jot and tittle. This was the crime of the century in The OC.

                    • #76 by Anonymous on October 20, 2015 - 11:31 am

                      Not to mention that I personally know of several witnesses who were contacted by the DA’s Chief Investigator, Stan Berry, only to never be called on or contacted by the DA’s office again?

                    • #77 by Reality Is..... on October 20, 2015 - 3:56 pm

                      Yep. Just like in any crime, witnesses change their stories or are proven to have not even seen the actual event. Happens all the time. When those witnesses were proven, after the video was seen, that their stories weren’t anywhere close to the video, why would they use them? No point. They are proven liars. That’s why they don’t release video right away. They have to get the statements from everyone numerous times, get it all documented, then view the video. Most street witnesses especially just make it all up. Like Michael Brown’s case. Hands up Don’t shoot sound familiar? Yep all proven false just like most of the other witness statements. Yep.

  23. #78 by Reality Is..... on October 7, 2015 - 9:31 am

    So Fullerton Lover. What’s the difference between the unions contributing to the councilperson’s campaign and Tony B or you guys contributing to the candidates campaign of your choice? You all tried to buy your own people off and get rid of other people’s choices, but then once you got Travis up there he bombed right away and got voted out quickly. There are limits on what unions or people or businesses can contribute, you just don’t like who they contribute too. I donate to the candidates of my choice as well. I’m glad that the council members that are currently in office don’t listen to anything that you guys say. Just reading Barry’s letter about wanting perjury charges shows how illiterate you guys really are. In a trial anyone can bring in anyone they want to give an opinion based on a video they see. It’s strictly that, an opinion. Go to a trial sometime. You will see someone say something for the prosecution and then someone say something for the defense that is completely opposite. It doesn’t mean they are lying. It’s their opinion. Anyways, my point was that just because you feel one way doesn’t mean the council needs to agree or do what you say. They have other, rational thinking citizens of Fullerton they would rather listen too.

    • #79 by nut job on October 7, 2015 - 11:25 am

      Barry doesnt know what the hell he is talking about.

      • #80 by Anonymous on October 10, 2015 - 10:29 am

        nut job are you referring to FPD Officer and past union president Barry Coffman?

        • #81 by Reality Is..... on October 15, 2015 - 10:33 pm

          Barry did a good job. Fought that corrupt klan of Tony B and the others, Ron Thomas, off and kept Fullerton PD in the city and got a Chief from within. Now that’s the biggest win of all!

          • #82 by police mafia? on October 17, 2015 - 8:09 am

            yes, we know you love murder of homeless men by police. You support Fullerton police corruption. Are you part of the Fullerton police mafia?

            • #83 by Reality Is..... on October 19, 2015 - 10:39 am

              Nothing to do with that. It’s about justice. The jury found the cops not guilty. Preach to your kids the main lesson from the recent cases across this country. Don’t run or fight with the police and you will be just fine.

              • #84 by Fullerton police mafia? on October 19, 2015 - 12:16 pm

                It’s not about justice, unless you define justice as corruption.

                Once, again, are you part of the Fullerton police mafia???

              • #85 by Reality Isn't on October 19, 2015 - 4:50 pm

                “Now you see my fists?” Fullerton police officer Manny Ramos asked Thomas while slipping on a pair of latex gloves. “Yeah, what about them?” Thomas responded. “They are getting ready to fuck you up,” said Ramos. A video of the event surfaced, and Thomas can be heard repeatedly screaming in pain while officers are heard repeatedly asking him to place his arms behind his back. He audibly responds “Okay, I’m sorry!” and “I’m trying!” while the officers stretch his arm back. The police officers claim that, unable to get Thomas to comply with the requests, they used a taser on him (up to five times according to a witness statement, and the video footage), and in the video Thomas can be heard screaming “Dad! Dad!”.[22] Six officers were involved in subduing Thomas, who was unarmed and had a history of mental illness.

                …I must have missed the part where Kelly was running away from or fighting with the police?

                Maybe you should watch the tape again and get your story straight before chastising the dead.

                • #86 by Reality Is on October 19, 2015 - 8:45 pm

                  Lol you missed where he ran? It’s the same thing black parents should be preaching to their kids if they want to live longer. Never ever fight or flight with the police and you will never have a problem with the police. Ever. If you have a problem with the police address it after your stop or contact is over. Simple advice is why me or anyone I know have never ever had an issue with the Police. Your choice.

                  • #87 by Joe Imbriano on October 19, 2015 - 10:59 pm

                    Officers are trained to use inciters and other techniques to elevate routine encounters into felonies. It is common practice. The one with Kelly went too far and justice will be served. It is just going to take some time to deal with all the corruption involved.

                    • #88 by 123.025 on October 20, 2015 - 5:48 am

                      Ran birds for years and you understand what makes the world go round. Bad things do happen to stupid people.

                    • #89 by Reality Is..... on October 20, 2015 - 11:41 am

                      LOL LOL you are lost son. You watch too much TV and read too many cock block I mean cop block stories. Stick to the facts.

                  • #90 by Reality Is Delusional on October 20, 2015 - 9:47 am

                    Dude your bat shit delusional if you honestly believe that hog wash your dishing out.

                    • #91 by Reality Is..... on October 20, 2015 - 11:42 am

                      Or maybe you are because you are in the minority in the words you speak? If it was just me, wouldn’t things be changed? Nope. Same ol’ thing for 100 years.

                • #92 by Shawna on October 20, 2015 - 8:11 am

                  Kelly didn’t deserve to die. He was a confused and scared person who didn’t stand a chance against these monsters. How can these men live with themselves? How can their wives live with the shame of being married to murderers? How do their children live with the knowledge that their fathers got away with killing an innocent human being? How do these people sleep at night?

                  • #93 by Reality Is..... on October 20, 2015 - 11:43 am

                    No one ever said he deserved to die. No one ever intended to kill him. To think otherwise is delusional as Joe says. He decided to run and fight for whatever reason he had. Just like Eric Garner and Michael Brown and other few across the country. If you fight or flight, you are putting your life in the hands of another human, and that is never a smart thing to do. Preach that to your children.

                    • #94 by Reality's Id on October 20, 2015 - 12:32 pm

                      Hey Asswipe,

                      I think we both know what a scumbag that the contact Officer Manny Ramos is due to his repeated domestic violence arrests, even with his connections in law enforcement, so I suggest you put down the charade that any time a member of law enforcement threatens you with an ass kicking that your supposed to take it and report it later should note the dark irony of how that worked out for the likes of Kelly Thomas, Eric Garner, or Michael Brown.

                      Maybe you should engage what little is left of your conscience before you decide to speak or write next time to avoid looking like a complete tool/fool.

                  • #95 by Barry Levinson on October 20, 2015 - 11:52 am

                    Shawna how does Council members, Jennifer Fitzgerald, Jan Flory and Doug Chaffee continue to sing the praises of Police Chief Dan Hughes and the FPD? Please also remember all the phony politicians who support these poor excuses for leaders the next time they run for reelection. Remember that both Flory and Fitzgerald are up for reelection next year! Isn’t so darn hypocritical of all of them that they were so indignant over the totally false misdemeanor charges leveled against me that Ms. Fitzgerald called to place a vote to remove me from the Parks and Recreation Committee before the so-called FPD investigation was even completed. After the police report stated that I allegedly committed misdemeanor assault and battery against Ms. Grisenti, Ms. Grisenti goes before the council on October 21, 2014 stating that she could not remember if I touched her in answer to the leading question from lead prosecution Attorney (or at least that was the role she voluntarily chose that evening) and City council member Jan Flory. (Please remember this is the same council member who tried to stop me from discussing the already leaked Gennaco investigative report on the Kelly Thomas beating death at the hands of members of the FPD. Please run for reelection in 2016 Ms. Flory, we have so very much to talk about.) But that did not stop them from dragging my name through the mud that night. It did not matter that the bogus allegations were already dismissed by the DA for lack of evidence. It did not stop them when the alleged victim said she could not remember if she was a victim. No none of that stopped the fair minded 4 members of the Fullerton City Council (yes unfortunately that includes you, Mayor Sebourn) who continued to act like I was guilty of misdemeanor assault and battery. The one council member who actually noted the lack of any evidence against me was Council member Whitaker. Thank you for standing up to the bullies next to you on the dais.

                    Dan Hughes lead the entire investigation. He was the same man who admitted at council that he could hate me. He is the same Police Chief of Fullerton who stated clearly according to Council member Bruce Whitaker that he did hate me. The alleged victim can not remember that I touched her. The city tapes of the lobby clearly showed after they were finally released that nothing happened. But it did not stop their charade. What do you call people who would continue to support the already disproved allegations against me, when the alleged victim would not even support those charges herself? I know what I would call them and that would be Jennifer Fitzgerald, Jan Flory, Doug Chaffee and Greg Seabourn.

                    The one good thing about this is that we the people of Fullerton have the power to vote all of them out of office. Once that happens we can then turn our attention to the two appointed officials running the city, City Manager Joe Felz and Fullerton Police Chief Dan Hughes.

                    • #96 by Reality Is..... on October 20, 2015 - 3:53 pm

                      Eric Garner made a big boy choice after over 30 arrests. Said he was not going to jail no matter what. He made that choice. He was a pain in the butt to the businesses and the citizens. He made that big boy choice and won the big boy prize. Michael Brown. Nothing needs to be said. Big robber thug and he made a big boy choice several times and won the biggest prize. Kelly made a choice to not deal with Manny any longer and paid the price as well. Like I said. Preach what you want to the kids and the community but I preach don’t ever ever ever fight or flight with the police and you will live much longer. I will never put my life in the hands of another human ever. Police or not. Imagine in a few months when the appeals court confirms the concealed carry in this country for everyone. Most people will be carrying a gun making choices on their own without much training or experience at all. Then we will be complaining about so many people being shot and killed for defending themselves.

                    • #97 by Fullerton Lover on October 20, 2015 - 9:57 pm

                      Barry,

                      May I share with you that you truly shine as a public speaker, and I found your message more compelling when you spoke the second time tonight and your words were coming from your heart, instead of that scripted rebuttal to those on the dais who have vilified you and repeatedly attacked your character.

                      Don’t stoop to their level, turn your cheek, and rise above them all.

                    • #98 by Reality Is on October 20, 2015 - 10:22 pm

                      LOL you sound so much like Tony B. I could go back to the FFFF blog and read identical statements made by all of you back then. Problem is you don’t have Tony’s $500,000 anymore to buy your own council members.

                    • #99 by Fullerton Lover on October 21, 2015 - 7:08 pm

                      You might want to follow the same advice amigo.

                      When your words are sincere, instead of ringing with caustic wit and sarcasm, they actually sound intelligent and caring, which truly resonate with everyone.

    • #100 by 28 years in LE on October 17, 2015 - 5:28 am

      I have nearly 30 years in with the OCSD. None of what you allege is fact Mr. Reality. The FPD training officer and The FPD command staff should all have the same objective understanding of departmental procedures just as an outside expert such as Gennaco would. Either Gennaco is misinformed or the FPD training officer and command staff are misinformed. You cannot have it both ways.

      • #101 by Barry Levinson on October 17, 2015 - 6:50 pm

        Thank you 28 years in LE.

        People who have regularly attacked me, say I am against law enforcement. That assertion is categorically not true.

        I have stated over and over that my two biggest heroes in my life have been my dad and his older brother, both former NYC police officers. I will always be very proud of their service to the community and the risks they took to protect the public.

        • #102 by Reality Is..... on October 19, 2015 - 10:44 am

          Wow surprised to hear that Barry. You always attack good cops and bad cops. Blanket statements all the time. Good to know sometimes you are just confused and actually do support the good work cops do.

      • #103 by Reality Is..... on October 19, 2015 - 10:43 am

        Really 28 years? If you actually have 28 years on, then you know that command staff down to officers very rarely interpret incidents the same. Almost never. There are always differences in opinion when it comes to use of force and how policy was implemented. Then throw in that Gennaco is just a paid attorney, not even sure he has any law enforcement experience at all. That explains another opinion from the outside looking in. Just like Beck’s recent decision in the Ezell shooting where the commission over ruled Beck’s decision, even though Beck will be the one to administer discipline, if any. There are always differing opinions on policy and law, top to bottom. This case in court was just another example that happens everyday. Two people testify with their opinions, and someone else feels differently. With 28 years on, you also know that in every court case involving police or other big cases, there are professionals that testify completely opposite when watching the same video or reviewing the same incident. So yes, you usually do have it both ways.

  24. #104 by Fullerton Lover on October 7, 2015 - 10:29 am

    Maybe it’s that they spend an equal amount of their union dues on robocalls bad mouthing residents who don’t agree with their early retirement schemes at 50 years old or bloated paychecks….?http://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/fullerton/
    p.s. I also see your innuendo is still your reality ; )

    I honestly think that you’d be surprised at just who does listen to us : )

    Your innuendo is getting a little tired too…just saying : )

  25. #105 by Fullerton Lover on October 7, 2015 - 10:34 am

    Maybe it’s because the nice Police Officers and Fireman spend tens of thousands of dollars each election cycle bad mouthing residents who oppose their early retirement schemes at 50 years old, as well as their bloated paychecks

    http://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/fullerton/

    p.s. your innuendo is your reality ; )

  26. #107 by meh-meh on October 7, 2015 - 2:52 pm

    Reality is and nut job,
    Thank you!
    Couldn’t have said it better myself. Witnesses give opinions in court ALL THE FREAKIN TIME! They are called to give their opinion. If Rubio and Craig believe that no violation of policy took place, then that is their opinion. Jurors saw the same video that the rest of the world saw. The jurors were also presented with the pages of the FPD policy manual that address use of force.
    Rubio and Craig don’t make policy nor do they decide when policies are violated. They can say whatever they want. It would have been up to the jurors to accept their testimony or not. Rackauckas and his team of assist DAs were more than free to present their own expert and then let the jury decide whether policy was followed. The DA had every piece of evidence that existed, including the confidential IA report. C’mon Barry. At least give the impression that you have some idea of what you are talking about.

    • #108 by Anonymous on October 7, 2015 - 9:13 pm

      Rigged trial, rigged jury and die hard supporters of Fullerton’s corrupt to the core establishment. Joe, I hope you get elected and kick some ass! There are 140,000 people in Fullerton and if anyone can raise Cain enough to wake them up, its you my friend.

      • #109 by meh-meh on October 7, 2015 - 10:24 pm

        Rigged trial? Rigged jury? So that means the judge must have been in on it. The DA too I suppose

        By the way, Joe, why are you posting as ‘anonymous?’ And then talk about yourself in the third person to boot. Love it!

        • #110 by Anne on October 8, 2015 - 7:41 am

          Everything’s all bought off, entire justice system. Wake up or return to fantasyland and shut up.

          • #111 by Joe Imbriano on October 8, 2015 - 8:48 am

            This person is obviously part of the diseased apparatus.

            • #112 by meh-meh on October 8, 2015 - 11:28 am

              sticks and stones Joe. I bring up legitimate points and the best you come back with is that I’m part of the diseased apparatus. Man up. You are making very serious accusations. Rigged trial? Rigged jury?
              You got evidence of that? Is it because there were not guilty verdicts so that must mean the trial was rigged? You are a textbook conspiracy theorist. Whenever something doesn’t go your way, then it must be part of a grand conspiracy. Who rigged the trial? DA? Judge? How did they rig it? So DA files murder charges and then rigs a trial so they are found not guilty? I’m not attacking you Joe. Just asking for your rationale behind making such allegations. Enlighten us Joe.

              • #113 by Joe Imbriano on October 8, 2015 - 12:34 pm

                An innocent man was murdered on camera, the killers were acquitted by a handpicked jury, Track tried and threw the case, the jury foreman was a DA handpicked crony, our tax dollars paid for the defense attorneys and the whole media circus covering it up was being run by the Register. I guess one man’s opinion in life and death situations mean nothing.

                • #114 by meh-meh on October 8, 2015 - 1:56 pm

                  Have any opinion you want. Just curious if you attended any of the criminal trial? Were you there for jury selection?
                  BTW, the former deputy DA was not the foreman. Ok, so the DA’s handpicked crony was on the jury. And the other 11 jurors?
                  Tell us specifically how T-rack threw the case. Do you know who his witnesses were? Who testified? Who is experts were? Take your time.

  27. #115 by Anonymous on October 7, 2015 - 8:30 pm

    Barry and Joe have you ever seen so many people who constantly attack with no knowledge, no information, no integrity and no brains.

    Quick hand in your applications to the FPD, your just what they had in mind, if you not on the force already.

    • #116 by desmond in a tutu on October 7, 2015 - 10:51 pm

      You mean de one who wears de black uniform and likes de blond with de vericose veins? Oh yeah little piggie! Oink Oink.

  28. #118 by Reality Is..... on October 8, 2015 - 12:54 pm

    Rigged jury? That’s odd. As the trial was going on everyone was fine with everything going on. Then when the innocent cops were proclaimed innocent by the jury that was approved by the prosecution and Ron Thomas as well, it’s all fixed. Imagine if the jury saw through the BS spouted by Ron and you clowns, then all would be wonderful. Politics and personal opinions aren’t what the justice system is about. It’s about facts and most people like you clowns don’t like facts. You ignore facts. If Kelly didn’t flee and fight, he would be alive today. No one in this country has ever had a problem with the police that didn’t flee and fight. Now that we are part of an entitlement era, then it’s always someone elses fault anytime someone does something stupid. It is what it is but those cops were innocent of murder for sure.

    Yes, it’s clear you want to again have your hand picked and bought council people in place on the Fullerton city council. That was tried before. It worked for a short period until the community realized what buffoons the store bought people were and they ran them out of town.

    You are both funny. You don’t want the police unions to donate and hope they get their people in office, but you want to donate and buy your people into office. You can’t have it both ways children.

    Fullerton is doing great now that Tony B and you buffoons are gone. Chief has the PD under control and running smooth. City council is ignoring the BS during comments about non factual things, and Tony B is off smoking his joints with his buddy Travis. Barry, you need to run off into the sunset too. You can’t buy your way in and no one is listening to you anymore.

    • #119 by Joe Imbriano on October 8, 2015 - 5:51 pm

      RI we have motive, intent, actions, and end result all on camera with audio and video. They walked. Anyone with half a brain and a conscience knows Kelly was murdered.

      • #120 by meh-meh on October 8, 2015 - 6:12 pm

        Reality is speaks the truth. City is running smoothly. Roads getting fixed, city’s finances in good shape. This is all bad news for the few conspiracy theorists whose 15 minutes of fame ran out a long time ago and the only chance they have to try to be relevant is to paint a picture of a city still in disarray.
        Joe, still waiting for your response. You said the trial was rigged. What would be the motive and intent for the DA to rig the trial? What would the DA have to gain by rigging the trial? Not that it would be possible, but if I was a DA and I wanted to rig a trial, I think I would want to rig it so the end result was a guilty verdict. Why would a DA rig a trial to insure a not guilty verdict. C’mon Joe. I thought you were a smart man. I’ll ask again: Did you attend any part of the trial? Listen to testimony? Know what elements of law have to be met in order for murder to have occurred? Did you hear jury instructions?

  29. #123 by Reality Is.... on October 8, 2015 - 7:25 pm

    Clearly we don’t. Since a jury clearly spoke. You would be surprised how many of the people that even know about this case say the right verdict was reached. No one intended for that person to die. So clearly the half brain might be your own looking in the mirror.

    • #124 by Joe Imbriano on October 8, 2015 - 8:00 pm

      If any ordinary person had put on a pair of latex gloves and said “See these fists? They are getting ready to fuck you up,” then proceeded to put out a booty call for thugs to jump in and all together, beat, bludgeon, suffocate and electrocute a person to death, first-degree murder charges would be filed, convictions would immediately follow and sentencing would deliver up the maximum penalties. Such a dichotomy RI.

      • #125 by Rocky on October 12, 2015 - 9:56 pm

        I agree Joe. You are correct. If your or I behaved in such a way, we would be facing a life sentence and jury deliberations would be over and done with within 8 hours max. I was suspicious from the get go. The DA hadn’t tried a case in decades. He had his hands all over this. They all worked together even right down to the jury selection. You would be amazed what was not allowed to be presented to the jury. I was there and I saw the faces in the audience and heard the sounds of the hearts breaking when the verdicts were read. These comments are from those connected to the officers, the defense, the DA or the police department.

        • #126 by Joe Imbriano on October 12, 2015 - 11:45 pm

          I agree. This is lawlessness.

        • #127 by Barry Levinson on October 13, 2015 - 11:26 am

          Rocky please notice the silence from our city council on all issues relating to the FPD and its continuing failure under our current FPD leadership to keep us the taxpayer from paying out large sums of our money for their apparent misdeeds. I believe the city agreed to pay out $550,000 to settle (i.e. meaning the facts of the case will never see the light of day) the Detective Bair lawsuit. Either you are representing the people as a council member or you are not.

          You can not claim to represent the people but then choose not to speak out on the leaked confidential Gennaco report, fail to ask for an investigation on the bogus claims against me last year, etc. Remember when asked by Jan Flory if Ms. Grisenti was touched by me, Ms. Grisenti’s response was “I do not remember”. In other words there was no case if the supposed victim doe not recall the bogus charges against me.

          Did I receive a formal apology from the city council, the FPD or the city manager for this miscarriage of justice? Of course I did not receive any such thing. Silence by our council members should no longer be tolerated by the Fullerton citizenry.

          Every council member must represent the people and always seek the truth. If they are unwilling or incapable of doing this, then we need to replace them.

          The motto of every voter in Fullerton for the 2016 election, must be do the right thing or step aside!

          • #128 by pst on October 13, 2015 - 8:13 pm

            And now you have your pansy ex Bushala lap dogs Seabourn and Whitaker making it five, yes five council members that ignore everything you nimwits say. Give it up.

            • #129 by ACLU on October 14, 2015 - 9:11 am

              Pst,

              This is the reason that Fullerton is now mandated to have district elections.
              Too many politicians with their hands out all the time, equals politicians that answer only to their benefactors and to no one else.
              Democracy deserves better.

          • #130 by Reality Is..... on October 14, 2015 - 6:03 pm

            Barry. Since you mentioned the continued failure of leadership. Please cite some examples. The settlement for Bair was from the old regime. Your case was simple. Someone said you touched them and then changed their story. So charges dropped. Gennaco repot wasn’t an issue either. Old news. It said policy violations. So what’s the big deal? We knew that already too. Or are you still conveniently combining the testimony of someone’s opinion with the opinion of Gennaco? No way anyone in this city would apologize to you anyways. You even know that. I think everyone in Fullerton is doing a great job over the last 3 years, even Chief DannyBoy. I think you are just stuck in the old days and refuse to accept that you will never run this city like you dream you will.

            • #131 by The Twilight Zone on October 14, 2015 - 10:33 pm

              You refer to the old regime, when Captain Dan Hughes was the direct supervisor of the 6 officers involved in Kelly’s brutal beating death. Is that the old regime you are referring to Realty Is?

              Too bad because I believe the Bair fiasco happened in 2011 when a guy named Dan Hughes was Acting Police Chief.

              Honesty, integrity thy name is NOT REALTY IS!

              • #132 by The Twilight Zone on October 14, 2015 - 10:59 pm

                I just checked my facts and according to the OC Weekly article reporting on the Bair incident, Bair’s alleged innappropriate behavior started in December 2012 after Dan Hughes had been appointed permanent Fullerton Police Chief.

                The OC Weekly stated as follows:
                “The inappropriate behavior began soon after in December 2012, the suit charged, when Bair asked Castaneda for “sexy pictures” and made suggestive comments about her body after lunch at El Torito. Now, the city of Fullerton has agreed to shell out more than half-a-million dollars to settle the suit–yet another embarrassment against its police department”

                Like I said before: Honesty they name is NOT REALTY IS!

                • #133 by Anonymous on October 15, 2015 - 11:34 am

                  Wasn’t this the same officer that was complaining about Kiger and Whitaker texting up on the dais? He has some nerve! He is a disgusting pig.

                • #134 by Reality Is..... on October 15, 2015 - 10:31 pm

                  Oh damn. yep you caught me on that last part. His other cases and issues were from before the change. He worked for Captain Danny before and after.

            • #135 by The Twilight Zone on October 14, 2015 - 10:37 pm

              QUESTION: Is Realty Is part of the old FPD regime or the so-called new FPD regime or maybe both?

              • #136 by Anonymous on October 15, 2015 - 10:50 am

                I’d speculate that Reality Is probably Dan Hughes’ old high school buddy, George Crum.

                Both came from Sunny Hills High School.

                Last I heard he was the new Chief of Police in Cathedral City, CA.

                Remember Detective Ron Bair standing up in front of the City Council immediately BEFORE the 2012 Fullerton City Council, and making a horse’s ass of himself trying to support the likes of Jan Flory and Doug Chaffee by demonizing the likes of Travis Kiger and Bruce Whitaker?

                • #137 by Reality Is..... on October 15, 2015 - 10:27 pm

                  and Flory and Chaffee now run Fullerton? And Kiger was run out of town as quick as he came in? Whitaker smartened up quickly too. So I guess Bair said some good things huh?

                  Close. I just might be the former Chief of Fullerton when Kelly was killed too?

              • #138 by Reality Is..... on October 15, 2015 - 10:28 pm

                Maybe a good mix of both? That supports the good in the old and the good in the new? And supports the refusal to allow someone like Tony B to buy his way into city council so that he can run the city himself?

            • #139 by Wake up . . . on October 15, 2015 - 7:08 am

          • #140 by Reality Is..... on October 21, 2015 - 6:39 pm

            and Barry people change their story all the time. Just because she decided to change her story and/or the fact that charges weren’t pressed, doesn’t mean you are innocent.

            Love,

            DannyBoy

            • #141 by reality????? on October 22, 2015 - 7:59 am

              lover of Danny Boy,

              Guilty until proven innocent?

              • #142 by Reality Is..... on October 22, 2015 - 9:39 am

                Clearly. Barry and everyone else found the cops guilty until proven innocent right?

                🙂

                • #143 by Fullerton Lover on October 24, 2015 - 8:37 am

                  If residents did think that they were guilty, I think it’s reasonable to assume it was based on FPD’s sordid prior history, and the councilman who chose to ignore them.

                  http://articles.latimes.com/2011/oct/03/local/la-me-fullerton-cops-20111004

                  • #144 by Reality Is..... on October 24, 2015 - 10:29 am

                    Now the whole department has been corrupt for years. Keep reaching. You link one article and one case, and now the whole department is bad. They have millions of contacts a year and one or two cases is all you can find? Departments will always have one or two or three or whatever lawsuits pending. All the time. Humans. If people can only find that many issues to complain about, that department and city is doing a great job. Humans will never be perfect. Even your own city council bought by your money and your own police department wouldn’t be that perfect. 🙂

    • #145 by Kelly Thomas murder by FPD in real time... on October 9, 2015 - 8:58 am

      I personally think that the tape speaks volumes as to what is considered right and what we consider as wrong.

      Let people make up their own minds about how they themselves would have reacted to Officer Ramos and Company rather than imposing your own morality on them.

      http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=kelly+thomas+video&FORM=VIRE1#view=detail&mid=08032261986F62F4177D08032261986F62F4177D

      • #146 by Anonymous on October 10, 2015 - 2:12 pm

        sick mother fucking murderes will rot in hell

  30. #147 by Water crisis is a HOAX on October 10, 2015 - 8:16 am

  31. #148 by Reality Is..... on October 14, 2015 - 5:56 pm

    Someone call Tony B and Travis again and see if he will put up another $500,000 to buy his own city council again? Maybe this time Travis won’t screw up his investment.

    • #149 by Anonymous on October 15, 2015 - 10:08 pm

      Between the bong and the bimbo I think he is done for and. Travis is too busy out breaking axles in the desert.

      • #150 by Reality Is..... on October 19, 2015 - 11:01 am

        LOL I was just happy to see Tony B blow that $500,000 wad. Now he just disappeared which is good.

  32. #151 by Reality Is..... on October 14, 2015 - 5:58 pm

    Personally I think Ron Thomas should just donate any monies to a homeless charity. That would make more sense. Maybe the City would just settle that way. He didn’t have a relationship with Kelly anyways, so why should he benefit from his death? The other homeless that loved Kelly should benefit. Setup a charity for the Fullerton homeless and let the tradition and name of Kelly live on.

    • #152 by Fullerton Lover on October 14, 2015 - 8:58 pm

      I like your sense of generosity, but it’s sort of like robbing Peter to pay Paul…

      http://fullertoncollaborative.org/members.php

    • #153 by Fullerton 's Conscience on October 14, 2015 - 10:27 pm

      Please everyone take note that Realty Is a heartless human being.

      He is making a joke out of the brutal beating death of an innocent man.

      I pray to God you are single with no children because the thought that you would inflict your sadistic personality on family members would be to sad to fathom.

      Reality Is a Real Low Life!

      You ask why should Ron Thomas financially benefit from his son’s death.

      I ask you why shouldn’t those 3 officers pay out of their own pockets for the actions they voluntarily took that evening in July 2011.

      • #154 by Reality Is..... on October 15, 2015 - 3:58 pm

        LOL sure buddy.

        Because he wasn’t a part of his life for years?

        Because the cops were found not guilty?

        Duh.

      • #155 by Angie on October 16, 2015 - 7:51 am

        I would say that Reality is very ignorant and intentionally so. Ignorant of the extreme difficulties and heartbreak of watching your child struggle with severe mental illness. Ignorant of the legal boundaries that limit a parent of an adult child from doing what is right.
        This guy that calls himself ‘reality’, he is in reality a creep.

        • #156 by Reality Is..... on October 19, 2015 - 10:49 am

          Nope. Just realistic is all.

  33. #157 by Fullerton The Cesspool City on October 19, 2015 - 8:29 pm

    133 Comments and counting. I believe it would be refreshing if the voters of Fullerton told their elected representatives to either start representing them instead of themselves and their special interests or else they will throw all of them out of office.

    I see that Supervisor Nelson is supporting Ms. Fitzgerald in her bid to be reelected to the city council. Have you looked at her voting record Supervisor Nelson? It is almost identical to the very liberal Ms. Flory. You claim to be a conservative, Supervisor Nelson. If you were, you would not be supporting Ms. Fitzgerald with her very liberal voting record and whose paying job (V.P. of Curt Pringle and Associates) promotes big government throughout Southern California. She just voted to pass the next two budgets with a combined $2.8 million dollars in deficits. The hypocrisy you demonstrate by supporting Ms. Fitzgerald is immense. You were against the independent grand jury’s position when they called for independent oversight of the Board of Supervisors. I guess they hit a little too close to home for you Supervisor Nelson. You and Ms. Fitzgerald are no longer fooling anyone.

    • #158 by Reality Is on October 19, 2015 - 8:47 pm

      You notice they don’t care what you say or think? How long will it take you to realize they ignore what radical people say? Tony B learned the hard way. Travis was bought onto that council and ruined it instantly with his radical thoughts. Try to run them out. They will laugh at you.

      • #159 by working too hard on October 20, 2015 - 8:26 am

        “Reality Is”, you are working too hard to support murder, corruption by the FPD, in conjunction with the Fullerton city council and management. You are working so hard to defend the indefensible.

        • #160 by Reality Is on October 21, 2015 - 4:16 pm

          They really don’t need any defense. They are doing their jobs great and not missing a beat with support from the community. All cities have clowns like you and this small group. City leaders and police and council members just ignore the non sense.

      • #161 by Reality Isn't on October 20, 2015 - 9:44 am

        It’ll all be a moot point as soon as the district elections take place.

        They have a proven way of de-centralizing corruption and cronyism.

        Democracy.

        • #162 by Reality Is on October 21, 2015 - 4:15 pm

          Really? I haven’t noticed that. Seeing that the people that Barry and this group hate always get elected and re elected, not sure what you are referring to.

  34. #163 by Anonymous on October 21, 2015 - 8:43 am

    What a fine group of men I saw standing up for Fullerton last night. It would be amazing if that was the council majority instead of the fraudulent voting block that Ms. Fitgerald, Ms. Flory and Mr. Chaffee comprise. Time after time, the four of you made it clear beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are not fit to hold office. I also think it is time for Fullerton to look for a new city manager.

  35. #164 by Anonymous on October 21, 2015 - 9:14 am

    Hey Joe, way to gracefully hit them over the head with a sledgehammer.

  36. #165 by 4th floor on October 21, 2015 - 11:41 am

    Robyn Nordell should be ashamed of herself for foisting Jennifer Fitzgerald on Fullerton. Fitzgerald is steeped in conflict of interest. She is a big government. RHINO, socialist, democrat. Was Robyn Nordell bought off by the FPD with the city giving her daughter a job? Let’s see if Robyn Nordell supports Fitzgerald again and other phony conservatives like Liary Bennett from the Protect Fullerton anti recall slime pond. Joe you need to do an article on Robyn Nordell and how she has been bought off. She is a problem, a real problem. Get out in front of her on this Joe-here is a link to her page http://robynnordell.com/onestop.aspx

    • #166 by headquarters on October 21, 2015 - 5:42 pm

      Great points. There is a center core of so called conservative politics in Fullerton revolving around Royce and his cronies like Nelson. Robyn is really just periphery. If you really want to root out those who spawn the likes of Fitzgerald and Seabourn on the council, Royce and Nelson are the best places to start.

      Robyn is simply a nice lady who was finally bought off. Doubtful you can change her mind but who knows. You have attempted much more monumental tasks then that. This election is going to be very interesting.

      Cheers

      • #167 by Angie on October 22, 2015 - 6:22 am

        thank you ; )

      • #168 by Reality Is..... on October 22, 2015 - 9:38 am

        Very true. Ever since Tony B paid to oust his enemies and attempt to buy in his own council, you have seen the changes in the demeanor of the current council. Once they kicked Travis out, all the current council and city leaders came together to be pretty much on the same page. Remember how bold and demanding Whitaker was in the beginning? Even he came around and now understands how things work. Were they bought off? Maybe. That’s politics. It’s hard to get through their skin, but it’s also hard to get them out. Incumbents always have that advantage. A few loud outspoken haters are the norm in politics and most people just ignore them.

  37. #169 by Fullerton The Cesspool City on October 22, 2015 - 12:49 am

    Well another Fullerton council meeting and still no one on that dais will talk about the leaked Gennaco investigation of the Kelly Thomas beating death.

    Does that mean that all 5 council members are not concerned with the very serious issues that report brings up in relation to the Kelly Thomas criminal trial as well as the current status of our FPD? We know that Council member Flory tried valiantly but failed to keep Mr. Levinson from talking about it at council last month.

    We also know to some people silence can infer acceptance. So if any of you are actually concerned about the conclusions of that report, you better speak up very, very soon. The fact is that Gennaco’s expert conclusions was that many FPD policies were not followed the night Kelly Thomas was beaten to death at the hands of several FPD officers. These conclusions I do not believe were not given to the jury as a rebuttal to the contradictory testimony of Rubio and Craig.

    Going once, twice….sold to Fullerton – The Cesspool City!

    • #170 by Reality Is..... on October 22, 2015 - 9:35 am

      You realize they saw that Gennaco report long ago right? They have known what was in it and have been addressing it behind closed doors for awhile now? The leak isn’t a surprise to them, they had read it long ago. The leak is a concern to them because it could lead to a lawsuit by the people involved because it’s a personnel document that isn’t for the public per the POBAR laws. So when you rant and rave to them, they don’t care because they know what’s in it and have addressed any issues in it. Ramos and Cissy aren’t working in Fullerton anymore. I’m sure Fullerton will end up paying them off because they were found not guilty. Gennaco’s findings are just his opinions of policy violations. You could ask a pool of 100 and probably 90 would say no policy violations at all. So in the end Fullerton will pay those two off, retire them, and move on from the incident. The others are still working and will continue to work no matter how much you cry. DannyBoy is the boss. He runs the show. They all are on the same page and there really isn’t anything you can do about that.

      • #171 by Fullerton's Conscience on October 23, 2015 - 3:36 pm

        If the city was following the POBOR law, the only person who would have seen the confidential Gennnaco report would have been Police Chief Dan Hughes and the DA’s office who subpoenaed the personnel records of the Kelly Thomas cops.

        If Realty Is knows that some council members and others in the city government were allowed to see the report that would be a violation of the law.

        It is amazing to me that Realty Is brags about law breakers and corruption in the city of Fullerton.

        He certainly infers that he is an insider and maybe a FPD officer.

        Really Is is so clueless that he doesn’t even understand that his posts just make him and the city look really, really bad.

        • #172 by Reality Is..... on October 24, 2015 - 10:25 am

          LOL keep reaching. You are reaching further and further now. You clearly don’t understand POBAR or the legal process. If you think the only person with access to a report that was contracted by the City Manager and the City Council is the Chief and the DA’s office, that just shows how little you really know and understand. The DA’s office? Explain why they would get a copy of that report? Anyways, the report was leaked by Ron for a reason. I think it will cost him in the end.

  38. #173 by Oooops! Guess what? Your not REALLY a Fullerton police officer! on October 24, 2015 - 9:38 am

    • #174 by Reality Is..... on October 24, 2015 - 10:30 am

      They will be fine. That’s why they are all still working. They just have to take a few tests, or throw a few people around on the mat, and they will get the blessing to keep going.

  39. #175 by Fullerton The Cesspool City on October 24, 2015 - 11:19 am

    Realty Is keeps on lying. He says that those that support this website do not know what they are talking about, yet he can’t keep away himself.
    First off, it is POBOR not POBAR (Police Officers Bill Of Rights, POBOR). POBOR has been protecting bad officers for approximately 40 years.
    City council members do not have the legal right or authority to see the personal records of any police officer.
    You are the one Realty Is who does not know what you are talking about or much more likely do know but purposely place false information on this site.

    Realty Is would make the perfect poster boy for the City of Fullerton – The Cesspool City.

    • #176 by Reality Is on October 24, 2015 - 6:24 pm

      Lol. You are funny.

      For one I’ve been around these parts for years. I was the number one highest number of posts on the old FFFF site. If it wasn’t for me that site would have died years before it did. Instead of a few people jerking each other off we had good debates from both sides. Then Tony got sued for slander and defamation and was forced to shut the site down. That’s why this site was a welcome thought when I saw it.

      And before you step on your pecker anymore, it’s called POBAR. Research it. Learn it. It’s good to know and understand. It explains why things are done how they are done. POBAR is actually one of the best things that ever happened in cities. If it wasn’t for POBAR, city leaders and politicians would fire cops and step on their rights daily for no reason at all. Cities get sued all the time because some politician or leader thinks they run the show and do something they shouldn’t. POBAR will never go away. It’s has to much history on the reasons it needs to stay. Policing isn’t and shouldn’t be political and POBAR keeps their hands off those decisions.

      Gennaco report wasn’t part of the personnel investigation for Fullerton. So city council could see it. The officer investigation was conducted by Hughes and his men. The Gennaco was supposed to be an independent view of what occurred and what should be changed in the future. Clearly it was an advisory report and had no teeth in terms of what had to be done. Which is probably why Ron got a copy as well.

      So yes. I speak facts. I speak reality. I’m realistic. My views may be different than yours but that doesn’t mean either of us are right. Clearly you know your view isn’t always the most popular because people and councils ignore you.

      • #177 by Fullerton - The Cesspool City on October 25, 2015 - 11:20 pm

        Realty Is admits that he has been part of this cesspool for many years. Great to know that you have been the poster boy for Fullerton – The Cesspool City for many, many years.

        And you are lying once more because that report was covered under POBOR. By the way “Of” starts with an O not an A, genius! It is called an acronym!

      • #178 by Reality Check on October 27, 2015 - 12:20 am

        I have copied Realty Is Comment No. 68 from above as follows:

        “#68 by Reality Is….. on October 15, 2015 – 10:34 pm
        Gennaco report is a personnel document and therefore it’s not public. It wasn’t viewed by the jury for sure. It was only leaked by Ron Thomas which will probably cost him a few million by purposefully leaking it. OOPS.”

        You state that the Gennaco report is a personal document and therefore its not public.

        But then you contradict yourself above as follows:

        “Gennaco report wasn’t part of the personnel investigation for Fullerton. So city council could see it.”

        The realty is that Realty Is cannot keep his own story straight. First he claims the Gennaco report is a personnel document and then he claims it is not part of the personnel investigation.

        Question: How do you know when Realty Is is lying? Answer: When his mouth is moving.

        • #179 by Reality Is..... on October 28, 2015 - 11:04 am

          🙂

    • #180 by The pipes are playin' on October 24, 2015 - 11:14 pm

      Reality is is Just a spinster for good old Danny Boy. Good for the conversation and great at muddying the waters. Trolling away.

      • #181 by Reality Is on October 25, 2015 - 10:49 pm

        Not quite. I just think logically. If not for me you few in here would just circle jerk each other all day. You need someone to give you a dose of reality at times.

  40. #182 by Anonymous on October 24, 2015 - 3:49 pm

    Still no word from you buddy old pal Bruce huh Barry? Some pal. Even he knows better than to listen to you gadflies. Give it up and quit talking to yourself on this website. Nobody gives a shit what you think. Can’t you tell? When is it going to sink in?

    • #183 by Reality Is on October 25, 2015 - 10:48 pm

      Bruce smartened up quick. Him and Travis were bought into the council by Tony. Bruce saw what happened to Travis and knew if he didn’t change his political would be over also. Like I said, they just ignore Barry and his boys now.

    • #184 by Fullerton - The Cesspool City on October 25, 2015 - 11:14 pm

      The only thing that is going to sink is the City of Fullerton’s leadership.

      Going, going, down for the count.

    • #185 by you are desperate on October 26, 2015 - 6:17 am

      Why are you here if no one cares what Mr. Levinson thinks? The number of visits to this blog are incredible, from all over the world.
      It is apparent that you are one desperate Fullerton resident trying to maintain the status quo.

      • #186 by Reality Is..... on October 28, 2015 - 11:07 am

        because if it wasn’t for people like Barry and Tony B and a few others that yell and scream, there would be nothing to talk about or debate? It’s nutballs like this that keep online things going. Without them, it’s dead silence. Duh.

        • #187 by entertainment? on October 28, 2015 - 12:48 pm

          Oh, so you are here for entertainment sake.

          • #188 by Reality Is on October 28, 2015 - 7:27 pm

            Aren’t we all?

  41. #189 by Reality Is..... on October 28, 2015 - 11:09 am

    So what does everyone predict will be the result of the civil trial? I did this on the FFFF forum and it was 99% guilty and 1% not guilty. Of course I was in that 1% field.

    So liable or not liable and for how much?

    Keep in mind that Mama Kelly got $1 million quickly and was in the wind.

  42. #190 by Reality Check on October 28, 2015 - 1:07 pm

    Where is the Beef, Reality Is?
    You give us no name.
    You give us no facts or information.
    You give us nothing but lies.
    You add absolutely nothing of value to the discussion.

    • #191 by Reality Is on October 28, 2015 - 7:30 pm

      Sure I do. Read all my posts. The answer to your question is which one is fact and which one is fiction? Do you know? It doesn’t happen often where a personnel investigation that is protected by POBAR is completed and a city paid policy type investigation is completed after. I know the answer now. Do you? Seeing that Ron released it and he wasn’t supposed to, which is it?

      🙂

  43. #192 by Barry Levinson on October 28, 2015 - 1:15 pm

    A big thank you to all of you for keeping this very important issue front and center.

    We are all still waiting for Fullerton Police Chief Dan Hughes to respond to the Gennaco investigative report. The taxpayers paid tens of thousands of dollars for that report and Dan Hughes owes the public an explanation.

    • #193 by Reality Is on October 28, 2015 - 7:30 pm

      Do you really think he will ever address your request? Honestly? Maybe after the city wins the civil suit?

      • #194 by Realty Check on October 29, 2015 - 11:49 am

        Reality Is certainly makes statements inferring he is a FPD officer. He believes that our Chief of Police will continue to ignore the people of Fullerton and not answer any questions about the huge disparities between the testimony of two of his officers, one his training officer and the other the 2013 FPD Supervisor of the Year and the very stark and different conclusions of the Gennaco report. The same report we the people paid for and which the city and the FPD itself stated would be the basis for FPD reform. He may be right but it is nothing to brag about. In fact, Realty Is proves that the FPD is corrupt. You can’t reform the FPD when it ignores the serious conclusions about wrong dong by its officers including the Supervisor of the Year 2013, Kevin (I see nothing, nothing, nothing wrong) Craig.

        Folks when you give civil servants, guns and the power to arrest you and then allow them to be unaccountable you should not be surprised when it leads to tragic outcomes for some members of the public.

        It is people like Realty Is that help make our point about our deficient city government.

        Our system of government was designed with checks and balances to ensure accountability by our elected and appointed leaders. We do not have these safety measures in place in the City of Fullerton. As a result every person living or working in Fullerton should be very, very concerned. Joe Felz and Dan Hughes along with a majority of our city council are to blame for this very sorry and sad state of affairs. Please attend a Fullerton Council meeting and look into the eyes and at the souls of our leadership. It is a chilling experience.

        • #195 by Reality Is.... on October 30, 2015 - 1:26 am

          Close but not exactly. Hughes is done with the Kelly incident. It’s in the books. He did his investigation and it had nothing to do with the Gennaco report. Separate investigations done by separate people. Hughes did his and he disciplined the parties he felt needed to be disciplined. POBAR protects those officers from the public knowing the discipline but as you know Cissy and Ramos were fired. I know Cissy wants his job back, and the city will probably just pay him off in the end since he was found not guilty. Not sure the current status of Ramos. I think he just gave up.

          So yes, Hughes punished the people he felt needed to be punished. Once that happened, it’s over. They can’t be double punished. Gennaco report was for the city to know what he thought went wrong or didn’t go wrong, and change things if need be for the future. Hughes did some of that. Nothing in the report had to be done. He’s the Chief. He runs the show. The City Manager I’m sure had a say in what he does. City Manager is the big boss. But the City Manager held his job through all the turmoil and Hughes was made permanent Chief, even though he was the actual boss during the Kelly incident, and I think he’s done a pretty damn good job.

          So yes, like I said, they laugh at you when you bring up that old stuff. It’s all history. It’s all in the books. A jury found them not guilty criminally and they were fired anyways. The rest of the cops there that night are right in front of you working for the City today.

    • #196 by Reality Is on October 28, 2015 - 7:31 pm

      And wasn’t it commissioned by the city manager outside and independent of the PD and Hughes?

  44. #197 by Barry Levinson on October 28, 2015 - 4:02 pm

    One more point that needs to be highlighted to Police Chief Dan Hughes as follows:

    You can have all the FPD Open House’s you like but it will never be confused with an open and transparent Fullerton Police Department.

    The former is merely an exercise in FPD Public Relations while the other entails meaningful reform with integrity and honestly throughout the department.

    • #198 by Reality Is on October 28, 2015 - 7:32 pm

      Again. Do you think he cares? He’s eligible to retire anytime. He’s just riding it out and enjoying all the happy citizens in the city.

      • #199 by Reality Check on October 30, 2015 - 12:20 pm

        A Police Chief with morals and integrity would absolutely care and therein lies the heart of the problem.

        • #200 by Reality Is..... on October 30, 2015 - 5:22 pm

          He has plenty of that. I was talking about catering to just a few people squawking about wanting answers on the Gennaco report.

  45. #201 by Fullerton Resident on October 30, 2015 - 2:29 pm

    In the above post, which was read during public comments at the September 15, 2015 Fullerton City Council meeting, Mr. Levinson made this plea to the council as follows:

    “To all of you on the dais, I ask for an independent investigation on the felony perjury allegedly committed by Sergeant Kevin Craig and Training Officer Corporal Stephen Rubio? I sincerely hope that this council does not ignore what I have presented to you tonight.”

    Disgracefully, our city council has totally ignored what Mr. Levinson said that evening. Not one council member to date has demonstrated either the integrity and/or the bravery to speak out on this very important report.
    Council members should not be given the privilege to continue representing us if they ignore the findings and conclusions in that report.
    There will be three council members up for reelection in 2016. I in good conscience could not vote for any current council member who continues to ignore the leaked Michael Gennaco investigative report. Therefore, time is running out to do the right thing.

    • #202 by Reality Is..... on October 30, 2015 - 5:40 pm

      and the fact is it wasn’t perjury if he would do some research and understand the process in place. Testifying on their opinion of a case versus policy is their opinion. It’s not fact. He wasn’t there. He didn’t see it. He reviewed the video and gave his professional opinion. Understand? If they investigate he would say the same opinion at that time as well. See? If you asked him again today, they would say the same thing. It’s their opinion. Gennaco has his opinion. Clearly they will never match up exactly. Never will. Neither one is confirmed gospel. If a cop and a bad guy engage in a conversation and force is used, many different people would have many different opinions as to how policy was adhered too or not. There are many different ways to do control holds, and takedown techniques, and cuffing techniques. So yes, keep yelling about that. You will get the same answer you have got thus far. It’s not perjury. It won’t be even if you yell more.

  46. #203 by Reality Is on November 20, 2015 - 4:17 pm

    I’m shocked. Ron settled his case after all that? I thought this was going to be the tell all and the chance to get all the cops and city on the stand? All a show? All just about the money? Very disappointing Ron. It really was all about the money and you.

  47. #204 by Fullerton Lover on January 13, 2016 - 3:07 am

    Reality Is….. :
    Or maybe you are because you are in the minority in the words you speak? If it was just me, wouldn’t things be changed? Nope. Same ol’ thing for 100 years.

    …oh the times they are a changing!

    https://www.aclusocal.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/20151117-aclu_letter_to_doj.pdf

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