Beloved Polly’s Pies could still close to make way for massive highrise Section 8 housing project


The battle is not over regarding this property. The Register article only shows that this article that blew the lid off of this dirty deal has swayed the owners into perhaps doing what is right for the community instead of ruining Raymond Hills.

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Build it and they will come ladies and gentlemen and believe they will come. Low income housing is headed to Raymond Hills. Mayor Fitzgerald says development plans don’t exist for this location but yet a public hearing regarding rezoning this location to do just that made the paper.

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Sources to the Fullerton Informer indicate that the new owner of the property on Chapman and Raymond may have prevailed against the current tenants in vacating their leases and the property is eventually slated to become a massive high rise development with a major component of low income housing. Welcome your new neighbors with open arms ladies and gentlemen and there will be lots of them. Here is a slide from last night’s planning commission hearing and you will notice the big pinkish rectangle on the right. Patti’s cakes and Polly’s are toast folks.

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For years this center’s occupants were not allowed to expand their businesses, potential new additional tenants were turned away and all while this place was intentionally run into the ground for the moment that they are still waiting for. Last night the planning commission unveiled that moment again after it was delayed two years ago by the pressure we applied to the city council who was meeting in the library room with no live coverage.-

We were out in front of this mess years ago and they are trying to resurrect this scam again. Watch Jennifer Fitzgerald tell us no plans exist as plans exist, as she calls me a liar and insults all your intelligence with the zoning change map right in front of your eyes.

Yet when asked to remove this location from the Revised DCCSP, she doubles down.

Yes the plans to rezone the property are already written, you are looking at them in the photo above, the tenants are already being run out and the goal will be high density section 8 housing.

Nelson operatives Fitzgerald and her running mate phony conservative Larry Bennett that ran the anti recall campaign a few years back and was on the police union ticket last time around is in on this scam too. Watch as he is called on out his involvement. After all he is on the planning commission and is pro development.

All this is carefully being laid out behind your backs and will go down quickly if the planning commission and council approves the biggest sellout to the developers in Fullerton’s history that our city manager Joe Felz is trying to repackage, THE DCCSP. What you see below will be encompassing 1000’s of acres of Fullerton.

THIS IS THE NEW FACE OF FULLERTON FOLKS RIGHT HERE

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The Harbor Gateway-80 units per acre-this is what is coming to Polly’s and a neighborhood near you.

The site at the corner of Chapman and Raymond will could bring up to 500 more housing units which would bring in 50 million in developer fees to the city. That is what is at work here. Here are those who are at work here.

The entire property will be packem’ and stackem’ high rise high density housing just the way the at large appointee that the Vice President of Curt Pringle and associates Jennifer Fitzgerald 

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Fullerton’s queen of conflict of interest-Hands out raises to police and fire like lolipops on Halloween

moved to appoint, the S.C.A.G. operative on the Fullerton Planning Commission Ms. May an Johnson

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In case you don’t know, these two don’t work for us, they work for the developers and the social engineers and boy do they have plans to transform the entire city into Agenda 21 stackem’ and packem’ high rise housing. We just dodged the College Town deal recently and now they are resurrecting the huge DCCSP plan.

You see the city is out of money because of all of the establishment cronies that have bled us dry for decades with their lavish salaries, pensions,car allowances, medical, dental, vision plans and perks while hiding behind a thin political veneer comprised of a bizarre combination of liberal populism hybridized with phony conservatism that has put the residents to sleep while leaving the city’s infrastructure (roads, sewers, parks, public restrooms) and finances in utter ruin. Folks the trusted names in Fullerton politics have been screwing you all over for decades. Stop going along with them and being their sycophants.

Recently reality didn’t stop the city council from going millions into the red for Police and Fire raises and benefit increases. They have done this because they want their endorsements for the upcoming election and they anticipate getting upwards of 12-15 thousand dollars per unit developed to pay for the out of control city hall gravy train while they put you to work on Love Fullerton day washing police cars, cleaning up school buildings, government buildings and parks that our tax money was supposed to pay for and then putting you to sleep with firework shows, parades, and backpack giveaways. See how they play this game? You sit back and vote for these people that are endorsed by the police and fire unions, you think you are supporting a strong community when in fact, the greed of these factions is sucking the taxpayers dry with selling Fullerton off to development behind your backs as the only way out. I could go on and on. This website documents years of this train of abuses and the inaction and complicity of those who you would never think have a hand in this.

Here is Barry Levinson last night calling attention to huge problems with this proposal.

The only way out of this mess is to vote them out in November. Jennifer Fitzgerald and Jan Flory need to go. I have a vested interest in what is best for our community and I am not popular with the establishment sycophants that want to ruin Fullerton for that very reason. 

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You can watch Ms. Shanfiel- the chair of the planning commission explain what happened in 2014. This got the ball rolling on the DCCSP mess and the planning commissioners from 2014 appear to be totally incompetent or corrupt.

She admits in no uncertain terms they were given misinformation and a non existent time constraint. You could say they were lied to. It sure appears that way to me. Clink the video below and 10 seconds in, you will not believe what you will hear.

You can watch how the city staff that tried to ram the biggest threat to our quality of life in Fullerton’s history through in 2014. They are either corrupt or incompetent when what they fed this load to the planning commission to get them to vote to pass the DCCSP  which was clearly based on inaccurate information 2 years ago. Looks like they voted to pass the biggest threat to Fullerton’s future without even vetting it, understanding it, and under what appears to be a series of misrepresentations and duress. Read that rubber stamp hacks-listen to this-

And just to remind all of you in the audience on 4-13-16, Kathleen Shanfeild said “…… I wish we would have had more time when we talked about this before…. “

NO KATHLEEN, YOU MEAN WHEN YOU, KATHLEEN ALONG WITH GAMBINO, JOHNSON AND THE GUY THAT HATES THE CARS, MR SILBER, VOTED TO PASS THE DCCSP WHILE PENDERGRAFT MISSED THE MEETING AND NEVER ONCE SAID BOO ABOUT IT-YOU VOTED FOR THIS AND IT PASSED-YOU DID MUCH MORE THAN JUST TALK ABOUT IT, YOU PASSED IT AND YOU ALMOST HANDED THE DESTRUCTION OF FULLERTON UP ON A SILVER PLATTER TO JOE FELZ AND IT ALMOST PASSED THE COUNCIL.

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I urge you all to take a hard look at what you take for granted right now because it is in jeopardy. We need real leaders, not phonies and ignorant rubber stamp hacks that will allow Fullerton to be sold out to the highest bidder and hoodwink you with dog and pony shows just to get elected like we have now. The plans in the works could add 100,000 more people to Fullerton in the next ten years almost doubling the population as we already struggle to maneuver our cars in traffic in a park poor city with busted up roads and water mains. Enough is enough. 

Stay vigilant Fullerton.

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I stand up for the residents even when no one is looking folks. Last night was no exception.

JOE IMBRIANO 4 FULLERTON CITY COUNCIL

 

  1. #1 by Ken Clark on April 14, 2016 - 2:22 pm

    As a long time Fullerton resident of over 45 years it is just awful what our city officials have done. The roads are atrocious, the constant building anywhere they see fit is inexcusable. The top brass running the police force just turns a blind eye to the constant law suits against our city as we fund the settlements as taxpayers. The Harbor Corridor that has an alcohol establishment at every step you take has created unwanted trouble to our city and made it unsafe. Enough is enough. Now you want to build high rise low income housing at the base of Fullerton hills. What a shame this city has become.

  2. #2 by Barry Levinson on April 14, 2016 - 5:02 pm

    As was described by Karen Haluza, Director of Community Development at the last Planning meeting, this overlay district gives the option to change strip malls like the west side of Raymond Avenue between Chapman and Commonwealth into mixed use sites or stay as commercial. But it is my understanding from talking to others that the current landlord has turned away retail businesses that wanted to come in to use some of the vacant buildings on that site. I have also heard that the landowner has been trying to get rid of Polly’s Pies even though they have an existing lease with 14 more years on it. Therefore, it seems to me that it does not matter what alternatives the landlord has, he/she appears to be choosing the one that will make them the most money, which is high rise residential development with half empty small retail spaces on the bottom floor.

  3. #3 by Barry Levinson on April 14, 2016 - 5:53 pm

    Please note that not one committee member or Ms. Haluza addressed the 800 pound guerrilla in the room and that was that the power to approve these developments can be given to one unelected bureaucrat, namely Joe Felz. That was to me the key point of the DCCSP that once the DCCSP guidelines would have been passed by council, total control over approving dozens of new multi-million dollar developments would be in the hands of City Manager, Joe Felz. If you believe in transparency, if you believe in democracy, if you believe that elected official should have to publicly vote on such projects individually, the DCCSP should have been unanimously voted down by the Planning Commission. But the exact opposite happened two years ago when the Planning Commission received the DCCSP as an agenda item. They unanimously voted to approve it. Until I hear and more importantly see in writing otherwise, I am assuming that this very undemocratic key component of the “old”: DCCSP will remain a key part of this so-called streamlined version of the DCCSP.

  4. #4 by Rab on April 14, 2016 - 6:21 pm

    The reason there is so much traffic now is BECAUSE of low density housing. Higher density means more power to local businesses and increased foot traffic. Look at any major WALKABLE city, like SF, NYC, or any major city in Europe and you will see that high density housing is much better for the community than urban sprawl.

    • #5 by Anonymous on April 15, 2016 - 6:22 am

      Your argument is illogical.

      We do not have the mass transportation infrastructure established nor do we have existing thoroughfares in order to create such a scenario unless, with eminent domain, people are forced to relinquish their homes and businesses.

      The city is being sold off, piecemeal, to the developers. This growth is not sustainable, it is not responsible and Fullerton residents did not buy into their properties and quality of life being degraded by what is, already, horrible traffic.

      • #6 by Anonymous on April 15, 2016 - 11:11 am

        You don’t need mass-transportation if you can walk to essential places, smart guy.

        • #7 by Anonymous on April 16, 2016 - 6:01 am

          You are an idiot to assume that this will be possible or feasible. Is buying food “essential”? The grocery stores have been disappearing in Fullerton. Is going to the doctors office “essential”?

          You appear very ignorant, naive. Are you looking for an Agenda 21 utopia?

          • #8 by Anonymous on April 16, 2016 - 1:23 pm

            Oh, I’m sorry. I live near downtown Fullerton where I can walk to Ralph’s for groceries, a plethora of doctors, dentists and optometrists, and a multitude of restaurants. Oh, and if I feel adventurous, I can also walk to a train station that connects with one of the busiest mass-transit systems in the US.

            Where do you live that you don’t have easy access to essential services? Is this already an Agenda 21 utopia, or am I missing something?

            • #9 by Anonymous on April 16, 2016 - 5:50 pm

              Why are you apologizing? That’s nice for you that you have walking access to all of your essentials.

              Because you have that must be why you think it is accessible for everyone else. That’s definitely not the case, but you aren’t considering anyone else but yourself, are you?

              This doesn’t have anything to do with where I live and proving or disproving that I don’t have walkable, bikable access. Most do not have the access that you describe; that’s the reality. Some are physically unable.

              You sure are missing something, the ability to think through an issue before you open your mouth.

              • #10 by Anonymous on April 16, 2016 - 11:35 pm

                I thought we were talking about Fullerton. Am I wrong?

              • #11 by Anonymous on April 17, 2016 - 10:23 am

                Hey, you seemed pretty incredulous that walking to the essentials was even conceivable, and now dismissive that it’s entirely possible in or own city, the subject of this site. I was apologizing for your apparent ignorance.

          • #12 by Nathalie Kohls on April 16, 2016 - 1:28 pm

            Agenda 21…….exactly what I thought of when the bike lanes went in down town. The Federal goal is to get everyone out of cars and onto bikes or on walking trails. I’m over 70 and neither is acceptable for me. one more thing…..there is no possibility that Raymond School can contain more children than it does now, which would mean rebuilding a new multi-level school and hiring many more high pension teachers. Since anything at the bottom of the hill is starting to be thought of as a dumping ground, how about if we level things up a bit and put some low income housing on top of the hill, where the upper-crust and sensitively low income conscience live?

        • #13 by Anonymous on April 16, 2016 - 2:03 pm

          so we are just assuming they won’t have jobs they need to get to? Riiiiiiiight, section 8, so let’s rent out to a few liquor stores, a gun shop or 2 and some fast food, widen the streets that are already destroyed and in need of repair so there can be street parking since no apartment complex ever has had enough space on property, never mind the influx on the local schools…. oh yeah Tokers and east anaheim a few blocks away…… yup, sounds like the city I want to live in

    • #14 by HM on April 15, 2016 - 8:51 pm

      I’m curious, have you driven in or around Irvine lately? The traffic is horrendous and getting worse and they keep building, including high density housing.

  5. #15 by Amy on April 14, 2016 - 6:38 pm

    Thank you Joe for continuing to be a strong voice in the resistance to the scheme that will ruin Fullerton with high density high rise.
    Joe Imbriano for City Council!

  6. #16 by Anonymous on April 14, 2016 - 9:01 pm

    Rab have you ever tried to get across town in Manhattan or San Francisco during morning or afternoon rush hour? Is that what you want for Fullerton?

  7. #17 by Henry Pham on April 14, 2016 - 9:06 pm

    Would someone point out where in the plan is Section 8 or low income housing is planned for the site where Polly’s is now? I only see medium density and commercial uses stated. Nothing requires section 8 or low income housing. This headline sounds very sensational unless I’m wrong. Thank you.

    • #18 by Joe Imbriano on April 14, 2016 - 9:08 pm

      Every trick in the book Henry. If you watch the meeting from last night, you will hear Karen Halluza couch this in her comments. Everyone knows this is where the section 8 is going in.

      • #19 by resident raymond hills on April 28, 2016 - 8:42 am

        Ask the residents of Raymond Hills if they believe The Strip Club “GIRLS, GIRLS, GIRLS” is good for the area. This was approved by the planning commision.

  8. #20 by Robert Lindow/Sally on April 14, 2016 - 10:05 pm

    There are so many people angry about closing Pollys. We would like to beg these people to save Pollys. This is a home away from home for many people who eat there everyday or nearly everyday. They are almost a historical landmark, we have children in there 50s who have been going since they were small, we went there in the beginning when it was lust a very small room w a few tables. Love it, always will, the best food around, hometown food, everyone is treated like family, called by name and we can call folks that come regularly by name. We eat there at least three times a week or more. Pies are so much better than anyone else’s including Marie’s. Please save them. PLEASE…

    • #21 by Diane H on April 15, 2016 - 9:16 am

      I echo what you write (except for the beg part). Our family has grown up with Polly’s and we still go there regularly.

      Things are very much out of control, Fullerton is being sold off.

      • #22 by Anonymous on April 15, 2016 - 11:16 am

        You guys seem pretty upset about a mediocre chain restaurant in a decrepit strip mall. I feel sorry for you if you sincerely think it’s the best food around. You obviously don’t get out much.

        • #23 by Anonymous on April 16, 2016 - 5:45 pm

          That’s your opinion. Go ahead and feel sorry and insult. Why are you defending selling off Fullerton and making traffic impossible?

          Something in for you?

          • #24 by Anonymous on April 28, 2016 - 12:06 pm

            Maybe a better restaurant will open up? Maybe that block won’t look like such an eyesore? Lots of good things could happen.

  9. #25 by Joe Imbriano on April 15, 2016 - 8:14 am

    Bruce Whitaker also replied back See below:

    “The City Council has not yet acted on that development plan.
    The “Core and Corridors Plan” is heading toward a vote, however. That plan may allow appointed bureaucrats to approve such developments WITHOUT Planning Commission or City Council action.
    Please research the “Core And Corridors plan” and let neighbors and other interested individuals know about this possible action. Objectors need to be heard loudly now, by contacting Council Members now… and by speaking out at future meetings.”
    Yours truly,
    Bruce Whitaker, Council Member
    City of Fullerton
    Cellphone- 714-981-8474

    The fact is We have a 3-2 majority on the council which may approve the DCCSP plan which will take the decision away from the commissions and hand it over to the City manager-here are some articles on that from some time ago. This has been cooking for a while now.

    https://thefullertoninformer.com/category/the-dccsp/

    While showing up to the meetings may be of some value, so much money is needed for the city’s out of control police and fire pay and pensions that Flory, Fitzgerald and Chaffee may pass it anyway. The real way to stop this is to push for Fullerton to join the Huntington Beach S.C.A.G. lawsuit which I have asked the council to consider. Thus far no response to that.

    • #26 by Reply to Bruce Whitaker on April 15, 2016 - 8:43 am

      typical, instead of the Fullerton City Council acting on its’ residents behalf, they are continually selling off the city to developers. In order to stop this, residents must continually appear before the council to plead with the council to stop the development in their neighborhood.

      So, any council action to stop the destruction from development is dependent on the Fullerton residents rising up CONTINUALLY! Otherwise, the worst case scenario gets voted through by the council members.

      WHAT THE HELL!!!!

      Message to Bruce Whitaker: Why are YOU not working in the Fullerton residents best interests? Get off your butt and do what’s necessary for the Fullerton residents.

      ALL of these council positions are answerable to the PEOPLE OF FULLERTON, you work for us.

    • #27 by Telling It Like It Is on April 16, 2016 - 5:08 pm

      What is Bruce Whitaker going to do to stop the DCCSP from passing since Mr. Levinson sounded the alarm very effectively two years ago on the city’s initial version? I do not recall Council member Whitaker speaking out on this issue at all…not now and not then. His current response to ordinary citizens is to tell them what they should do while he himself remains suspiciously quiet about what he can and should do as our council member. It is apparent that his Park and Recreation Committee appointee, Barry Levinson has been very busy standing up for the people of Fullerton without any support (both public and private) from Mr. Whitaker. In fact it seems that the last time Mr. Whitaker showed some support for Mr. Levinson and some moxie was when confronting the good chief of police almost 18 months ago. Has he not been present for 2 council meetings a month for the last 18 months? It seems he has faded faster than an unprotected piece of cloth left on the beach. Why do you think that is so? Is he more concerned about future political plans beyond Fullerton? Should not every elected official be doing their best from the first day elected to office until their very last day serving the people? I know that it is the only honorable way to serve the people. I think it is way past the time for ordinary citizens to figure out how each elected official is different from each other and start noticing how much they are alike in protecting their own self-interests while failing to speak out for the people. This should be the year of clearing out the old brush and putting in some new worthy timber that can stand tall and lead the city to make fundamental changes that will put the needs and the rights of the people ahead of special interests and/or selfish politicians.

  10. #28 by Joe Imbriano on April 15, 2016 - 8:25 am

    We must force the city council to push Fullerton to join the Huntington Beach S.C.A.G lawsuit, force Bruce Whitaker, Doug Chaffee and Greg Seaborn to demand the resignation of Jennifer Fitzgerald from her position as Vice President of Curt Pringle and Associates or resign from her position as Mayor of Fullerton, and of course vote Jennifer Fitzgerald and Jan Flory out of office this November, That is why I am running for office. Enough is enough from these operatives for the unions and the developers. These people are going to destroy Fullerton unless we stop them.

    • #29 by Diane H on April 15, 2016 - 8:48 am

      What do we need to know about SCAG? Many of us do not know what it is.

      • #30 by Joe Imbriano on April 15, 2016 - 9:07 am

        SCAG (Southern CA Assn. of Governments) is the largest regional government in the US covering 6 counties and 191 cities. SCAG has a $540 Billion plan to remake SoCal in the next 2 decades and operates in Near Darkness. Educate yourselves in order to protect your freedoms. PLEASE ADD ALL OF YOUR FRIENDS, EVERYONE NEEDS TO LEARN ABOUT REGIONAL GOVERNMENTS. Stop SCAG is dedicated to educating the public about Unelected, Unconstitutional Regional Governments.

        Contact them at STOPSCAG@gmail.com or at Twitter @STOPSCAG or Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/1014680195244878/

        Here is the text of a speech given by Grindall from his you tube channel https://www.youtube.com/user/grindall61 earlier this year, a recent visitor to our council meeting.

        “First and foremost SCAG is a corporation, and because SCAG is a corporation I do not consent to any of your mandates, edicts, or demands. You need to show me the contract I signed as a willing consenting adult before we can even have a conversation.

        Secondly, SCAG is not constitutional. Nowhere in the constitution does it talk about JPA’s. It’s a made up term to steal government away from people at the local level.

        There is nothing good about regional government. When you take 191 cities and put them altogether into 1 body which is what SCAG is, you have created a massive government.

        There is not one big government in history that has ended well for the people.

        This whole SCAG regional transportation process proves why regionalism is terrible for this country.

        An associate of mine and I discussed sitting down and reading the thousands of pages that are in the Scag Regional Transportation Plan and the EIR document. Making notes and eventually publishing a report refuting the plan. The whole idea of reading the documents and publishing the report are not even possible given the time constraints. Secondly, even if we were able to get the report complete we would then have to go to 191 elected representatives in 191 different cities and try to convince them to side with us on the vote. 191 people. And we only have a couple months to do all of this.

        We advocate for localism and local government. If the same thing were happening in a local city we would only have to convince 3 people to agree with us on the plan. That’s 3 vs. 191.

        That example that I just read is the very reason why this regionalism has to stop. It completely shuts we the people out of the process.

        Now lets get into what this plan is based on. This entire plan is based on sustainability. Now when you ask one of these planners what sustainability is they are likely to say something along the lines of making development that fits the current need while preserving the ability for future generations to meet their own needs…

        What the hell that does even mean? Seriously half the time you ask a planner what sustainability is they usually use the word sustainability in their answer which tells me they don’t even know
        what it means. I have spent 4 years trying to figure out what sustainability actually is and I have the answer.

        Sustainability is rationing. It’s being forced to use less of everything. Less water, they go that covered. Less energy, they are attempting that with renewables. Renewable energy is a giant crony capitalist scam where the government picks winners and losers and props up failed industry via cap and trade. Less food, that’s being worked on by the United Nations
        Less mobility, I can’t believe you guys think we are so stupid that people are actually going to believe that going from a car to a bus or a bike is somehow getting around quicker. Seriously you people are insane.

        Less freedom. Freedom is choice and you are destroying our choices with this plan. Let’s talk about those choices

        You are acting like you are doing us a favor by providing us with bike lanes, buses and trains that most people want nothing to do with.

        However this is a all huge scam. Last year the state attempted to cut our gasoline in half by 50% The bill was called SB350. The bill passed but the gasoline language was taken out of the bill. We have confirmation that the state will be trying to pass that again this year in 2016.

        So yes the state of California is trying to get us out of our cars.

        We are seeing all this planing right now because you know that the main option that everyone wants to use is going to be eliminated. So stop with this garbage that you are doing us a favor. This is a tyrannical big government that is waging war against us. You’re not doing anybody any favors!

        Lastly, I want to address this lie about the millennials, how my generation wants to walk and bike everywhere and live in little shoebox apartments.

        First off, my generation is glued to their phones so they are completely disengaged. As a result they aren’t coming to these meetings and demanding this. I have yet to see it in my time doing this.

        Secondly, we are told that the millennials want to spend lots of money to live in small apartments.

        How is that going to happen? We were screwed by the older generations when they told us that we must go to college. Not only is a college degree worthless now but it has put all the young people in debt so there isn’t going to be spending $400,000 on a so called luxury apartment.

        The truth is every single city is increasing the number of housing units and we have a president that has opened up the borders and is bringing in illegal aliens and refugees from the different wars that are going on. Those people need a place to live if they are going to be here.”

  11. #31 by Barry Levinson on April 15, 2016 - 8:39 am

    Robert I agree with you 100%. You can also tell the quality of a business and its ownership by the longevity of its employees. Based on that criteria alone, Polly’s is doing something very right.

  12. #32 by Barry Levinson on April 15, 2016 - 8:56 am

    You know Fullertonians, instead of kicking Polly’s out of its location of many decades, the city should be giving Polly’s and its owner an award for excellence and for what a good business means to the community. But then again this city government moves to a different drummer, a beat that normally ignores the good people of Fullerton.

  13. #33 by Jamie on April 15, 2016 - 9:14 am

    I am not a fan of the huge apartment structures either. Harborwalk that’s going in by Costco is going to make Harbor even more congested (if possible). BUT, we do need more affordable housing. Homelessness is only increasing and I saw on the news the other day rent is only projected to rise in the next few years. If large apartments will help with keeping people off the streets then I’d rather see that than homeless. Are people most upset by this because of the location (Chapman)? I don’t see a lot of opposition to low income housing being built when it’s south of Commonwealth.

    • #34 by Anon on April 15, 2016 - 2:04 pm

      It doesn’t matter where the high density goes in and it does not matter if it is Section 8.

      We don’t have the space to cram more people in Fullerton, south of Commonwealth or elsewhere.

      Everybody needs to fight all this back, no matter if you live on the other side of town or if it is in your neighborhood.

  14. #35 by Reality Is..... on April 15, 2016 - 9:28 am

    Barry and Joe. What laws must Fullerton abide by in terms of providing low income housing? Based on that, where and what is your recommendation to meet this requirement in the City, seeing that you clearly are against this proposal? Thanks.

    • #36 by Joe Imbriano on April 15, 2016 - 10:04 am

      SB 375 and no sorry, our strategy is proprietary.

      RI Fullerton needs jobs.Fullerton needs industry.Fullerton does not need to import poverty and sustain it. Fullerton does nothing to attract or create real employment here. The chamber is all about rezoning and bulldozing commercial property for high rise housing and protecting the city hall cabal that has been screwing the residents for decades.

      The DCCSP is a JOB KILLER. SCAG and Agenda 21 policies kill jobs, economic growth, drive people into the compact cities, drive housing prices into orbit by adding ridiculous fees to the home and unit prices while cramming massive amounts of people into small areas artificially inflating demand and prices. Low income housing only needs to be built if the city wants to embark on massive development. There is no obligation to build any if we leave things alone. Fullerton is already built out. Our roads were never designed for what is being proposed. Besides, if you cannot afford to live here then move to where you can rent a house for 400 bucks a month. The US is full of places where you can.

      By the way,JOE FELZ AND KAREN HALLUZA WANTED TO GET RID OF ALL THE GROCERY STORES AND RESTAURANTS AT STATE COLLEGE AND CHAPMAN ALL THE WAY TO THE 57 FREEWAY, SMART AND FINAL AND ACROSS THE STREET GETTING RID OF BIG LOTS, THE 99 CENT STORE AND ALL THOSE RESTAURANTS WITH THE COLLEGE TOWN PLAN AND NOW THE POLLYS PROPERTY WHERE ALBERTSON’S GOT RUN OFF AND THE BUFFET GOT ARSONED SOME TIME AGO. WHAT WILL BE NEXT WALLGREENS? WHERE ARE PEOPLE SUPPOSED TO GO FOR GROCERIES AND WHAT ARE PEOPLE SUPPOSED TO EAT? NOW THEY WILL HAVE NO WATER BUT WE HAVE WATER FOR THE HIGH RISE AND NEW RESIDENTS AND NO YARDS TO GROW FOOD AND NO CAR TO DRIVE TO GET THEIR FOOD, NO WHERE TO PARK THEIR CAR AND NO WHERE TO GO FOR FOOD UNLESS THEY LEAVE THE CITY PERHAPS ON FOOT? IS THAT HOW THEY PLAN TO MAKE HEALTHIER COMMUNITIES?

      Nice carbon footprint plan design.

      Affordable housing is available anywhere in the United States besides wealthy enclaves such as So Cal. Get real. It is the greedy police and fire employees that have created the cash crunch forcing the city to be sold off. Yeah I always wanted affordable housing beachfront down in Newport when I was in college with a boat slip so I could really have at it. No such luck then. Market conditions allowed me to rent a room on Bay street. Don’t have the money to live here? Move to where you can. Not our problem. The city is making this the problem because they spend it faster than it comes in on the greedy over paid and over pensioned city employees who do lousy work while our city is in ruin and is about to be destroyed forever for short term cash infusions for city employees most of which dont even live here-

      • #37 by Reality Is..... on April 15, 2016 - 10:37 am

        Ok well. You did a good job of avoiding my question. I have seen numerous cities recently go through this same issue, affordable housing requirements and where to put them. All of the cities, of which some I own property in and some my parents and family live in, were adamantly against the idea and made their stances clear at council meetings and other city meetings. The city found a place for the housing anyways and now houses are being rammed into small areas to fulfill their affordable housing requirements. Yes it’s a joke and it’s ruined the areas for sure and they aren’t even all the way built yet. Yes, they are high class areas, much more high class that the areas we speak of here in Fullerton by the way. So back to the original question. I guess your answer is that Fullerton should not provide any affordable housing opportunities and all people that want that type of living should go to surrounding cities that provide it? LOL police and fire employees have created the cash crunch LOL LOL. Can you show me the last 10 year chart for police and fire for pay and benefits please? While your at it, please provide me the comparison for police and fire for Fullerton versus all of the other OC cities, or even throw in some LA County cities. I want to really see how Fullerton is over compensated the last 10 years and also now that you mentioned it, how they are over compensated compared to all the other California cities. Thanks.

        • #38 by Joe Imbriano on April 15, 2016 - 9:10 pm

          RI why don’t you do a CPRA request-here is Lucindas email LucindaW@ci.fullerton.ca.us

          RI just because everyone is jumping off the Brooklyn bridge doesn’t mean we do. They are all overpaid RI, all of them. Real wages are in decline. Fullerton is in the red because of the the men in black and blue.

          • #39 by Reality Is..... on April 16, 2016 - 11:33 pm

            I’m often disappointed at your answers when you are pressed for more details and more information. Seems that when the opinion differs or someone sincerely asks for more information, you get very upset and very offended. Do you even know what the low income housing requirements are for the City of Fullerton?

          • #40 by Reality Is..... on April 16, 2016 - 11:36 pm

            and the men have very little to do with black and blue. You want a police and fire department in Fullerton to be under paid and under compensated compared to the rest of the State. That was the same speech Bushala preached when he bought the council. It didn’t work out for him and I predict it won’t work out for you or Barry either. Fair is fair, top to bottom.

  15. #41 by Jamie on April 15, 2016 - 11:05 am

    I agree to an extent…. If you can’t afford to live here, move where you can. But realistically, is that going to happen? Not likely. If it were me, I would move. But a lot of people won’t and we can’t force them. This is more of a national problem that Fullerton can’t solve. If we don’t build affordable housing, I don’t think it will deter anyone. People will be here regardless. They will end up homeless or they will end up cramming 5 families in a 3 bedroom house to afford the rent and turn the garage into another room. Not all affordable housing Apts are slums. Brea has some really nice affordable properties built by Jamboree a non profit. Also affordable doesn’t always mean dirt cheap or lazy. A family of 4 where each parent makes 40K a year will qualify for some affordable housing because thats 80% of median and you cant live on 80K a year and it’s not like someone working fulltime making 40K a year doesn’t deserve a decent place.

    • #42 by Anotherview on April 16, 2016 - 8:59 pm

      Jamie,
      Thank you for sharing another reality of affordable housing. The writers/editors of this blog need to update themselves on what affordable housing looks like these days. But I’m spitting in the wind on this blog. And BTW, I live in the neighborhood across the street from Polly’s Pies. When and if a residential project goes forward on that site, I will be involved and do my part as an impacted resident to ensure that it’s liveable for our surrounding community. It’s an under-utilized site and you can’t force commercial to come. And as much as you try, you can’t blame the City for what the owner wants to do. You can’t blame the City for the property owner wanting to make money. My neighbors would love for a Trader Joes or other quality store to be there. But it hasn’t happened. At some point in time you have to accept the fact you can’t MAKE THEM COME. And it was Albertsons sizing down and closing many of their stores that Albertsons is no longer there; it was under performing and was closed like many other locations. But never mind some reality. I realize that it’s your aim to blame the City leadership for everything and anything. Maybe Joe and Barry should buy the site or broker a deal to get what they think the market will support. And your answer to RI’s question was inadequate. He was simply asking for backup to your statements.

      • #43 by Joe Imbriano on April 16, 2016 - 9:22 pm

        Going from a retail center that has been intentionally run into the ground where prospective tenants were denied to five hundred section 8 units is nuts. The city leadership is either incompetent or corrupt and either way it needs to change. Here check this out. You ok with this? https://thefullertoninformer.com/brazen-or-brainless-who-appointed-s-c-a-g-operative-mayan-johnson-to-the-fullerton-planning-commission-2/

        This is just another dirty deal with preferential treatment for a landowner who probably has some inside connections that intends to radically change the rules of the game. This is what is going all over town.

      • #44 by Reality Is..... on April 16, 2016 - 11:37 pm

        You just spoke reality and facts Jaime. That’s not allowed very often on this site unless it comes from two people. I ask for more information and details often and all I get called is bad names and that I’m for the establishment.

        • #45 by Joe Imbriano on April 17, 2016 - 10:21 am

          RI what bad names have you been called? Enlighten the readers please.

      • #46 by Anotherfool on April 19, 2016 - 10:46 am

        Please tell us all why you’d like to welcome over a thousand residents into a city block within your neighborhood that currently is a commercial site with zero residents?

  16. #47 by nicolemv37 on April 15, 2016 - 1:33 pm

    This is freaking HORRIBLE.

  17. #48 by James on April 15, 2016 - 2:39 pm

    With all the opposition I see.. where are the people that are for this project?

    Such a project that Benefit a small amount of people temporarily will burden the city for the rest of man kind.

  18. #49 by Anotherview on April 15, 2016 - 6:31 pm

    Joe and Barry sure like to embellish on the truth. Where does it say anything about Section 8 housing? This is typical of your messages using scare tactics to get peoples attention. You continue to stretch the truth. Your style of politics is definitely what I DON’T want in our City. Very scary. I’m not going to get into a war of words with you on this blog, time is way too precious. (BTW, do you guys have a real job?) Just letting others know that a lot of what you spew is complete nonsense. The bullying, disrespect, grand standing and rude behavior at PC and Council meetings is appalling. While you tell others that they should be ashamed of themselves, have you looked in the mirror lately? YOU should be ashamed of yourself. You may have a group of followers at these meetings, but it is a VERY small representation of our City population. And that’s why you didn’t get elected the last time you ran, Barry. Take a clue, get over it.

    • #50 by Joe Imbriano on April 15, 2016 - 9:05 pm

      Nice try. We expose the truth that our corrupt leaders are hiding from the residents. What is being stretched is contained your aforementioned comments.

      The behavior at council is warranted and is readily available for anyone to see on my you tube channel as well as the city site. We will let the voters decide who should be ashamed of themselves in November.

      What you think is small now could be huge tomorrow. Welcome to the internet.

      • #51 by Anonymous on April 16, 2016 - 8:11 am

        Joe is a leader and I have no problems with the ways in which he stands up against corruption. He does not disrespect, bully, grandstand or speak rudely to council. Show me one example of that. Go ahead. The meetings are recorded. Do you perhaps work for the Observer? Do you see what they say about people who tell the truth? Joe tells the truth and what you have said is just a dirty way to muddy the waters in attempts to discredit his message. Why are you here? I will tell you why. You are here because you are afraid of the information getting out and it is far too late for that.

        • #52 by Fullerton Lover on April 16, 2016 - 1:01 pm

          I most certainly second that sentiment about Joe Imbriano being a gentleman whom I’d trust.

          • #53 by Anotherview on April 16, 2016 - 8:03 pm

            Sooo, no answer to my question on WHERE does it say anything specifically about “Section 8” housing??? Interesting that Anonymous states how the “Observer talks about people who tell the truth”…the folks on this blog do the same thing!!! And no, I do not work for the Observer. I put the content of the Observer on the same level as the content of this blog. Bottom line, anyone who disagrees with you becomes a target. To answer the question as to why I’m on this site…..the same thing that you guys talk about…..free speech. I guess you don’t like it when people aren’t praising you and hanging on your every word. Your style is to intimidate people. Time to share with the public there are other views.

            • #54 by Joe Imbriano on April 16, 2016 - 9:16 pm

              Free speech is abundant on this site. You are not censored. Watch the meeting and listen to Halluza talk about what housing is going in where. Its all there.

              • #55 by Anotherview on April 16, 2016 - 11:14 pm

                I did watch the meeting and no mention of Section 8 housing.

                • #56 by Joe Imbriano on April 17, 2016 - 10:19 am

                  She referred to it as “affordable” housing.

                  • #57 by Anotherview on April 18, 2016 - 8:12 am

                    Joe, you need to get educated on what affordable housing is today. It is NOT Section 8 housing. Big difference. In a near future City Council mtg,, I’ll share with the public what affordable housing looks like today. You’re way off base and using typical scare tactics. Section 8 is YOUR translation of affordable housing. And it is incorrect.

                    • #58 by Joe Imbriano on April 18, 2016 - 9:11 am

                      Until Ms. Halluza publicly goes on record and specifies that this project is not going to be the Section 8 housing capital of Fullerton, the story stands. The DCCSP even in the proposed amended form, is wide open for a voucher party. Please note how careful she is when uses the word “affordable housing”. There are three types. Guess what will go in down the street from the tracks and the topless joints. Public, Section 202 or Section 8? Unless we call them out, get out in front and beat this thing back, you are gonna have a nightmare on your hands Southeast Fullerton. They almost rammed a homeless shelter in next to low income housing, and right next a Title 1 elementary school so Shawn Nelsons buddy Cameron Irons could make 100 grand off the deal, and Jennifer Fitzgerald, Shawn Nelson’s buddy, VOTED FOR IT! Wake up folks.

                    • #59 by Reality Is... on April 18, 2016 - 3:39 pm

                      Affordable housing has taken over a City I often frequent. Due to state requirements. It’s the nicest housing complexes in the city right now. Only certain percentages are affordable housing.

              • #60 by Anonymous on April 16, 2016 - 11:39 pm

                You can’t point to a specific time in one of your many videos where this is mentioned?

                That’s because it’s probably not there, and you’re just a liar, Joe.

                • #61 by Joe Imbriano on April 17, 2016 - 10:28 am

                  Watch the planning commission hearings, read the DCCSP, read up on S.C.A.G, read the text of SB 375, You wish I was a liar.

                  • #62 by Anonymous on April 17, 2016 - 2:26 pm

                    Point out exactly where we should read or watch, or stop wasting our time insisting something is there when it’s not.

                    • #63 by Joe Imbriano on April 17, 2016 - 3:05 pm

                      I am not going to spoon feed a thug like you but you can watch Shanflied- the chair of the planning commission explain what happened in 2014. This got the ball rolling on the DCCSP mess and the planning commissioners from 2014 appear to be totally incompetent or corrupt. She admits in no uncertain terms they were given misinformation and a non existent time constraint. You could say they were lied to. It sure appears that way to me. You can watch how the city staff that tried to ram this through in 2014 was either corrupt or incompetent when what they fed the planning commission to get them to vote to pass the DCCSP was clearly based on inaccurate information 2 years ago. Looks like they voted to pass the biggest threat to Fullerton’s future without even vetting it, and under what appears to be a series of misrepresentations and duress. Read that rubber stamp hacks-listen to this-https://youtu.be/rl-rYhSSDX0?t=3945

                      And just to remind all of you in the audience on 4-13-16, Kathleen Shanfeild said “…… I wish we would have had more time when we talked about this before…. ” NO KATHLEEN, YOU MEAN WHEN YOU, KATHLEEN ALONG WITH GAMBINO, JOHNSON AND THE GUY THAT HATES THE CARS, MR SILBER, VOTED TO PASS THE DCCSP WHILE PENDERGRAFT MISSED THE MEETING AND NEVER ONCE SAID BOO ABOUT IT-YOU VOTED FOR THIS AND IT PASSED-YOU DID MUCH MORE THAN JUST TALK ABOUT IT, YOU ALMOST HANDED THE DESTRUCTION OF FULLERTON UP ON A SILVER PLATTER TO JOE FELZ AND IT ALMOST PASSED THE COUNCIL.

                      5-0 TO PASS THIS 2 YEARS AGO

                      fullerton planning commission meeting 4-13-16

                    • #64 by Anonymous on April 17, 2016 - 5:05 pm

                      So asking you to provide proof for your claims is the behavior of a thug? Huh.

                    • #65 by Joe Imbriano on April 17, 2016 - 5:52 pm

                      No comment on the facts? Just commentary on the vernacular employed by the messenger to attack the messenger to detract from the message. Yes considering what is on the line you are acting like a thug.

                  • #66 by Anonymous on April 18, 2016 - 10:10 am

                    What facts? All you’ve presented is speculation and name-calling.

                • #67 by anonymous on April 18, 2016 - 2:24 pm

                  You are so ignorant! Why don’t you stop calling Joe a liar and get with the program. Do you have connections with Jennifer Fitzgerald?

                  • #68 by Anonymous on April 18, 2016 - 8:42 pm

                    I am neither. Maybe you could answer the question for Joe instead of calling people names?

            • #69 by Reality Is..... on April 16, 2016 - 11:38 pm

              You notice how if you speak facts you are ignored? LOL ever wonder why Barry and Joe are ignored by anyone that has anything to do with the City of Fullerton? Wonder where they learned it from LOL

              • #70 by Joe Imbriano on April 17, 2016 - 10:22 am

                What else are corrupt people supposed to do when confronted with the truth? Hello.

                • #71 by Reality Is..... on April 17, 2016 - 6:21 pm

                  LOL you just called yourself corrupt.

    • #72 by Anonymous on April 16, 2016 - 2:32 pm

      Another view just provided another lie on this website. The city government elites and their special interest groups are getting very worried. Now we learn that a high ranking employee of Placentia has just been charged with stealing 4.3 million dollars from the taxpayers in only a 10 month time-frame. The net is shrinking on the corrupt, the arrogant and the contemptible city government elites. Whatever they may say to the contrary they feel the heat and it is growing hotter and hotter every single day.

      • #73 by Reality Is..... on April 16, 2016 - 11:39 pm

        to think that the city of placentia incident had anything to do with some random city resident speaking out against the council is asinine.

  19. #74 by Fullertonian on April 16, 2016 - 4:21 pm

    This is my worst nightmare for East Fullerton. This area has been abused through neglect for years and years. I was born here and have lived the majority or 4 decades here. We used to have two grocery stores on Raymond until the landlord neglected his property and Albertsons ended their lease. The city has failed to work with the property owner to encourage improvements in addition to allowing the streets to decay. A development this size has no business on that parcel! I would love to see it redeveloped, but in a smaller scale and in a way that makes life better for the folks here. This must be stopped or changed.

    • #75 by Anonymous on April 16, 2016 - 5:57 pm

      I believe the same guy owns both properties planned to sell it for development.

      Was the Hong Kong Supper Buffet destroyed by arson? Many believe that it was.

      The owner of Vincent’s Shoe Repair was forced out and moved across the street. It had been there several decades, two owners in total. I was told by a worker there that the owner was waiting “for the right price” to sell it. It seems the guy owns that whole retail area.

      That is probably the story with both of those retail blocks. The owner was waiting to sell. I don’t think he cares if Fullerton is being destroyed by overdevelopment, he wants his money and has been working on this for some time.

      The Carl’s Jr. that used to be across the Chapman and is now a seven Eleven wanted to move in the area behind Walgreens and I understand that the owner refused to let it relocate there. Carl’s Jr. had been there for decades, too.

      Anyone happen to know the name of the owner?

      • #76 by Fullerton Lover on May 2, 2016 - 5:54 pm

        I believe that there is something more to this story.

        This was actually the ORIGINAL Polly’s Pies which was opened by the owner, Eddie Sheldrake, in 1968.

        Do you think that it’s possible that after almost 50 years that he actually owns the land on Raymond where the original Polly’s Pies is located?

        Note that Jennifer Fitzgerald’s campaign has received thousands of dollar$ from Eddie Sheldrake, including an extra $1,000 right before the election in 2012

        http://www.pollyspies.com/who-we-are-history.php

  20. #77 by Joe Imbriano on April 16, 2016 - 6:59 pm

    Polly’s had 13 years left on its lease. The greedy city hall cabal salivating over ramming massive development through to pay for all the over paid police, fire and city employees salaries, benefits and pensions is ruining Fullerton. Look around and wake up. It is time for a major shift in leadership in this city. All five council members have enabled this scheme to advance. They have all been integral in allowing the DCCSP to get this far. https://thefullertoninformer.com/brazen-or-brainless-who-appointed-s-c-a-g-operative-mayan-johnson-to-the-fullerton-planning-commission-2/

    • #78 by Reality Is..... on April 16, 2016 - 11:41 pm

      There you go Joe claiming that the City of Fullerton has over paid and over compensated fire and police. Every time I ask you to show me the last 10 years of pay and benefits increases and a comparison of Fullerton to all the other OC or LA County Police and Fire, you ignore me. Enlighten us. Prove to us something you say is factual. Do some research for us. Show us what you just said is true that Fullerton has overpaid and overcompensated Police and Fire and they are the sole reason for the current financial disaster, that you claim, Fullerton is in. Go ahead.

      • #79 by Joe Imbriano on April 17, 2016 - 10:23 am

        Of course they have RI. The city is in the red. How did that happen?

        • #80 by Reality Is..... on April 17, 2016 - 6:22 pm

          Do you want facts or your opinion like you usually give?

      • #81 by Anotherview on April 18, 2016 - 8:19 am

        Reality Is….I agree with your statements. You are right on the point. The problem (one of many) is they think they know what’s best for everyone. Unless they live around my neighborhood (Commonwealth, Chapman, Raymond, Acacia) they need to stay out of our business.

        • #82 by Telling It Like It Is on April 18, 2016 - 9:46 am

          Anotherview sounds just like Jan Flory telling us that the Mayor should be the one to determine whether or not a member of the public can speak before them at city council.

          Who do you think you are Anotherview? To tell us to stay out of the city of Fullerton’s business is unbelievably arrogant of you. In case you have not noticed the power to govern comes from we the people. It would seem that there are many dictatorships around the world where your views would be very well received such as Cuba and North Korea.

          • #83 by Anon on April 18, 2016 - 1:57 pm

            Another view probably believes Cuba and North Korea have the correct form of government.

            Is Another View actually “Reality Is (not)”?

            • #84 by Anonymous on April 18, 2016 - 8:55 pm

              Sure, Joe,

            • #85 by Reality Is..... on April 19, 2016 - 10:17 am

              No. I’m me and he’s just another reality speaker.

          • #86 by Anotherview on April 19, 2016 - 9:45 am

            What I meant is, that you’re trying to tell us what is best for a neighborhood area that I live in. I think you may feel the same if I were to start asserting my opinion about what’s best for land use around your neighborhood. You do NOT know what’s best for the entire City. With Joe and Barry, I feel like we would be headed to a Cuba and North Korea culture…..they act like they’re the only ones who are right and know what’s best for all. No other opinion other than theirs is acceptable to them. They act like they are the end all of all things….talk about a dictator like leadership. Very scary.

            • #87 by Anonymous on April 19, 2016 - 11:53 am

              So, what you’re basically saying is you agree with College Town and DCCSP. And you think the current council members and you know what’s best for all the Fullerton residents? Are you kidding? If you truly cared about this town, you’d be at all the meetings fighting for your rights as a Fullerton resident, like Joe and Barry. They should be commended for what they do for this city and I am truly thankful for their work!

              • #88 by Anon on April 19, 2016 - 2:54 pm

                I agree with you.

  21. #89 by Anonymous on April 17, 2016 - 1:49 pm

    “When the People fear their government there is tyranny, when government fears the people there is liberty” – Thomas Jefferson

    Fullerton Residents: stop begging, pleading, asking nicely that the council members uphold their oaths of office and not sell the city off.

    It does not work. Just demand.

    • #90 by Reality Is..... on April 17, 2016 - 6:23 pm

      Demand? Like Joe and Barry? You see where that gets you right?

      • #91 by Barry Levinson on April 18, 2016 - 4:43 pm

        We have had a bigger impact on Fullerton City Hall than anyone on the dais.

        We stopped the across the board DCCSP two years ago when I first pointed out last August how undemocratic is was to give sole power to the City Manager. It was not by accident that soon after that meeting the city hatched a bogus claim that I assaulted a vendor in the city hall lobby later that night. You see this city is so corrupt and so, so indicative that they were going to teach me a lesson that you do not uncover the truth when the city hatches its scheme to bring in hundreds of millions of dollars in Park Dwelling Fees with out future consent of the council. I guess as it turned out….the joke was on them.

        • #92 by Anonymous on April 18, 2016 - 8:52 pm

          If by “impact” you mean “annoyed and ignored,” then sure.

          • #93 by Barry Levinson on April 19, 2016 - 5:11 pm

            Actually I mean by impact the defeat of the original DCCSP brought before council in the summer of 2014 to cover approximately 1300 acres of main thoroughfares within Fullerton. This was pulled by council before a vote was even attempted by them after I told all listening to that council meeting that the DCCSP was an undemocratic power grab by one unelected official, our City Manager.

            I also mean by impact the indefinite delay of the ill-conceived College Town Plan.

            I also mean having the city government elites so afraid of talking about one contract between the city and American Golf Corporation, that it led to the Chair-person illegally in my opinion shutting down a publicly held Park and Recreation Committee meeting last week.

            And that is just for starters. I think I have had a very positive impact on the running of this city if the truth and the facts are important to you. What have you accomplished Anonymous?

            • #94 by Sloppy Joe on April 20, 2016 - 8:51 am

              Wow. There were a lot of good people involved in opposing DCCSP and Collegetown. Good to know they would have failed without the influence of the Great Barry Levinson.

              • #95 by Joe Imbriano on April 20, 2016 - 9:25 am

                Isn’t it awesome that it makes little to no difference which side of the dais we are on because all that matters are the results?

                The entire council and commissions are now exposed for what they are and the people are watching who and how the people’s business is being conducted. Barry’s analysis of the DCCSP stopped it dead in its tracks and has kept it there. His 5 million dollar question has exposed every sitting council member and city hall official for just what they are. His standing up for his First Amendment is vetting the city attorney’s office as we speak.

                Want to steal a library from the taxpayers and sell it to a church to make a quick million or two? Gotta get past the residents now.

                Want to steal the checks and balances overseeing and governing zoning and planning away from commissions and elected representatives and hand it over to the city manager? Gotta get past the residents now.

                Want to ruin southeast Fullerton, kill off the grocery stores, ram through 4000 apartments and shut the freeway on ramps down to make a quick 40 million? Gotta get past the residents now.

                Want to ruin Fullerton, sell it off to the developers behind everyone’s backs and stick high rise stackem and packem Agenda 21 housing all over town to add 100,000 residents and make a couple hundred million while we are left with busted up roads, pipes, traffic and dead trees and grass? Gotta get past the residents now.

                Sloppy Joe and his pal Barry, who Dan Hughes tried to frame, are makin a real mess of things huh? I say its time for some retirement parties.You like Sloppy Joe and Barry? Of course you do because that is why you are here. Welcome my friend, welcome.

                • #96 by Sloppy Joe on April 20, 2016 - 9:42 am

                  Wanna perpetuate a lie about an old contract? Post it on your blog.

                  Wanna perpetuate a lie about the library? Post it on your blog.

                  Wanna perpetuate a lie about development? Post it on your blog.

                  What do you do when none of the lies come true? Take credit for stopping then.

                  Chef Sloppy Joe, King of Circular Logic since 1963.

                  • #97 by Joe Imbriano on April 20, 2016 - 9:43 am

                    Nice try calling underhanded plans lies but Amen brother. The residents win again and Joe Imbriano for Fullerton City Council.

                    • #98 by Telling It Like It Is on April 20, 2016 - 10:08 am

                      After all, We Are Getting It, the city establishment tried to not only get Mr. Levinson thrown off the Park and Recreation Committee in 2014 but orchestrated a false narrative to try to get Mr. Levinson thrown into jail for charges that once the city’s own video tape was belatedly released months later, clearly showed that Mr. Levinson was innocent of all charges.
                      Those in charge in Fullerton City Hall certainly include some very bad people to do the things they tried to do to Mr. Levinson. Based on all of the above, it would certainly seem a no brainer that we could do a whole lot better than the current crop of elected and appointed officials now in Fullerton.

                    • #99 by Reality Is..... on April 20, 2016 - 10:45 am

                      Can you post the video for me? Maybe do an article on it for me? I haven’t seen the video. The video would make up my mind about Barry being innocent. I feel that the is guilty and just got off solely because the victim didn’t want to prosecute or there wasn’t enough evidence to prosecute in the DA’s eyes. Maybe posting the video would actually prove Barry’s innocence to all of us that feel he’s guilty.

              • #100 by We Are Getting It on April 20, 2016 - 9:49 am

                Wow the animosity toward Mr. Levinson by city elites could be cut with a knife. From my vantage point, Mr. Levinson continues to do yeoman’s work standing up for the people of Fullerton with no personal gain for himself.

                Maybe that it why the city elites so despise him. It is precisely that so many in city government vote as they do to do favors for their special interest friends and it makes them so very angry that Mr. Levinson actions are done for the good of his community. In other words Mr. Levinson is spoiling it for the corrupt, selfish city government establishment. Those now in charge locally are no different that those in charge in the past. They just want the gravy train to continue and literally hate anyone who has other ideas such as transparency, honesty and working to have a city government that considers the needs of its people before the special interests. In other words….how dare he.

                • #101 by Reality Is..... on April 20, 2016 - 10:06 am

                  Maybe we need to bring Bankhead and McKinley back afterall?

                  • #102 by Anonymous on April 20, 2016 - 11:15 am

                    Sleepy and Dopey?

                    I thought the Queen (Flory) and Snow White(Fitzgerald) from EV Free replaced them?

                    • #103 by Reality Is... on April 20, 2016 - 4:45 pm

                      And Travis. Don’t forget about Travis. He was bought in by Bushala and his agenda and got kicked out faster than he came in with Kelly’s blood all over his face.

                    • #104 by Anonymous on April 20, 2016 - 6:27 pm

                      I’m relatively certain that Travis had absolutely nothing to do with Kelly Thomas being beaten to death by six of Fullerton’s finest.

                      Of course knowing how Fullerton politics works, you can’t honestly say that about Flory, Fitzgerald, or Chaffee, can you?

                      Of course for once in your life you actually have proof of something to share with us, instead of instead of your blunder headed empty rhetoric?

                      However we ALL know that that ain’t gonna happen eh bucko?

                    • #105 by Reality Is... on April 20, 2016 - 9:51 pm

                      Let me educate you. The only reason Travis ever got that position was because Tony and Travis used Kelly’s warm blood and blood money to buy his way onto the council. If Kelly didn’t die and if they didn’t ride his bloody body, he would have never been there. It’s really that simple.

                      So yes. Cops were found innocent as expected. Travis and Tony were found guilty. That’s why they are in the wind never to be heard from again. Thank God.

                    • #106 by Reality Is... on April 20, 2016 - 9:53 pm

                      Not to mention Ron Thomas. Abandoned his son and then promised Kelly’s Army the world. Justice. A trial. Donations to the homeless.

                      How did that work out? Another one that rode Kelly’s dead body for money and fame. Ron loved the camera. Then he did what he said he wouldn’t. Settled to never be seen again. Coward.

                    • #107 by Anonymous on April 21, 2016 - 7:03 am

                      Seems like you are trying to find every one else responsible for killing a homeless and shirtless 137 pound mentally disabled individual rather than the Fullerton Police Department?

                      I believe that Travis was elected by Fullerton residents because he had the fortitude to shed light on an innocent man’s death, when all the police officers in Fullerton, as well as their minions that perpetuate their existence, decided to take the fifth and look the other way.

                      Didn’t work out too well for Sleepy, Doc, and Dopey after that uprising.

                      It’s too bad he fools of Fullerton thought the Evil Queen and Snow White and their evil little dwarf Doug Chaffee were going to do any better in 2012 than the mental dwarfs they replaced.

  22. #108 by Anon on April 18, 2016 - 12:29 pm

    Want to see salaries and pensions go to: transparentcalifornia.com

    • #109 by Reality Is... on April 18, 2016 - 3:43 pm

      I’m well aware of Fullertons police and fire salary and benefits. I’ve asked more than 20 times for Joe and Barry to provide us the last 10 years of pay and benefit increases to prove that this revebt raise was over the top and excessive as they claim. I’ve also asked them to show us how Fullerton is overly compensated compared to other Orange County or even LA County Police and Fire departments. I think those two things are critical for us, the voters and the residents, to form our opinion if Fullerton Police and Fire are overly compensated and if this recent raise is over the top.

  23. #110 by DownTheDrainWeGo on April 19, 2016 - 12:09 pm

    Got crime? Don’t worry, you will NOW! Statistically speaking, wherever Section 8 Housing goes, criminality comes along with it.

    But hey, American’ts have had no problem thus far with the de facto legalized torture as practiced in clandestine overseas detention centers such as Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo and multiple others, legalized kidnappings through refusal to reinstate habeas corpus, legalized financial fraud thanks to the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act and the now institutionalized practice of bailing-out failed private corporations at public expense, legalized war crimes as defined by the ICC (International Criminal Court), legalized massive surveillance of absolutely everyone & everything in utter defiance of the no-longer extant U.S. Constitution, a legalized system of privately run Prisons-For-Profit that utilizes inmates as slave labor, legalized market data manipulation that results from constant downgrades to the underlying criteria upon which important statistics such as GDP, CPI and Unemployment Indexes are based, the legalized highway robbery known as Civil Asset Forfeitures wherein quite insanely assets & properties are accused of committing “crimes” then taken away by the state until proven otherwise, legalized secret FISA courts that apply secret interpretations of law in order to issue secret warrants that no one will ever know about thanks to secret gag orders, legalized police brutality, legalized drone bombings of children playing soccer on some beach 7422 miles away from here, legalized military invasions of foreign nations based on false pretenses & fabricated evidence, legalized benefits for illegal immigrants, legalized destruction of the entire national educational system otherwise known as Common Core, legalized usury, a completely corrupt judiciary operating a two-tier ‘justice’ system ..one for the well-connected rich and another for everyone else, legalized assassinations of U.S. citizens with no judicial review whatsoever, a completely corrupt legislative arm, a completely corrupt & ineffectual president who does absolutely nothing to reverse the current state of affairs despite allegations that he is a “Constitutional Law Expert”, a completely corrupt and subservient news media that only reports what it is told/allowed to report, legalized blacklists, legalized censorship, complete elimination of Constitutional Rule of Law and legalized forcing of the population into buying worthless overpriced “healthcare” plans…

    ….so what’s another 6 inches up the metaphorical collective anus of Amerika?

    Enjoy!

    • #111 by Reality Is... on April 19, 2016 - 9:46 pm

      Who said anything about section 8 housing except Joe and Barry? No one. This has nothing to do with section 8 housing.

      If you are concerned about crime, you should focus on Prop 47 and AB109. Those two items have ruined this state and it will get worse by the day. You haven’t seen anything yet in terms of crime increases across the board. Standby.

  24. #112 by Anotherview on April 20, 2016 - 7:17 am

    Last night at City Council, Fitzgerald and Felz clarified and confirmed that there is NO Section 8 (or any other high density project) planned or in the works for the ‘beloved’ Polly’s Pies. An application has to be submitted (and accepted) and there has been no such thing. Polly’s Pies isn’t going anywhere. A lot of hot air spent on something that was never true, just another misconception by this editor. Bye, bye…

    • #113 by Anonymous on April 20, 2016 - 8:20 am

      Joe couldn’t possibly be wrong about anything! He is incapable of wrongdoing or misunderstanding things, being so smart and driven!

      • #114 by Reality Is..... on April 20, 2016 - 10:05 am

        Not true. Joe is very smart. He understands everything. He is just very stubborn and has a very strict, preset agenda that he runs with. If you aren’t in line with that agenda, you will get the wrath of Joe and you will feel it in a big way and quickly.

        • #115 by Joe Imbriano on April 20, 2016 - 10:07 am

          The only agenda I have is one of putting the health, safety, quality of life and interests of the residents in front of everything. That is it.

          • #116 by Reality Is..... on April 20, 2016 - 10:11 am

            But you support having the lowest paid teachers, police, and fire department in the country? And you think by paying them the lowest wages and benefits, you will bring in the best, most educated, and most skilled and retain them for long periods right?

            • #117 by Joe Imbriano on April 20, 2016 - 10:36 am

              I support what is sustainable. That is what I support. It does no good to have a first class ticket when the ship will sink and take everyone from steerage to the bridge down with it. You know this not sustainable.

              • #118 by Reality Is..... on April 20, 2016 - 10:43 am

                I’ve heard the pensions aren’t sustainable for over 20 years. The pay and benefits are easily sustainable and mandatory that they are competitive to keep competent, trained, educated workers. I don’t want $15 an hour cops, firemen, and teachers. No thanks. I think the PERS retirement program will always be questioned and will end up being fine in the long run. Time will tell.

                • #119 by Fullerton Lover on August 10, 2016 - 11:46 pm

                  I’d like for you to show me just one other city, besides Fullerton, that has to devote almost 75% of their tax revenues every year to sustain their police and fire departments.

                  Ready?

                  Go!

    • #120 by Joe Imbriano on April 20, 2016 - 9:12 am

      Like I said last night, it is all semantics, a word game, a play on words to the uninformed, unsuspecting and to the pleasure of the city hall sycophants and lackeys who cannnot see the forest for the trees. Currently, there is no “PROPOSAL BEFORE THE COUNCIL”

      Two words of importance here deviously employed by our mayor and city manager. First the word “CURRENTLY” and secondly “PROPOSAL”.

      As soon as the planning commission approves the repackaged version of the DCCSP the word “currently” will become operative.
      As soon as the planning commission approves the repackaged version of the DCCSP the word “proposal” will become operative.

      There are plans already drawn up winding their way through the channels to rezone and develop that property. The new owner had a judge vacate Polly’s lease. Of course retail will remain there.

      The question is in what form. According to Jennifer Fitzgerald we can expect one of two things.

      We can either expect the investor who bought the property with the intent to run it into the ground on possibly a handshake deal with rezoning to high density residential promised behind closed doors could be stuck with an overpriced abandoned commercial property where the only tenants will be the rats, seagulls, pigeons and the homeless squatters in their motor homes and the cell tower company paying 1500 a month to irradiate the adjacent residents.

      The other scenario will be that if they can bamboozle the residents, the planning commission and the council, which is now impossible due to Fitzgerald’s promise entered into the public record last night, the center will remain retail but the retail center will simply be on the first floor buried underneath ten story buildings full of section 8 residential quota compliance. Either way, the crony capitalist deal that was penned in invisible ink is going the way of the typewriter folks and Amen to that.

      This is what is waiting to get rammed through the planning commission and then to Fitzpringle’s lap for approval. Note the corner of Chapman and Raymond. https://www.cityoffullerton.com/civicax/filebank/blobdload.aspx?BlobID=23930.

      Of course according to our mayor Jennifer Fitzpringle, this doesn’t exist.

      • #121 by Sloppy Joe on April 20, 2016 - 9:44 am

        Or, the myth of Section 8 housing was a lie from the start.

        Maybe that’s why it’ll never come true.

        You’re good, Joe. It’s not easy to become a prophet who specializes in predictions that never come true.

      • #122 by Reality Is..... on April 20, 2016 - 9:46 am

        Joe.

        What do you think the residents in that area want for that location?

        Do you think they want a long term vacant industrial building that is frequented by transients, drug addicts, and thieves?

        Or if industrial can’t survive, as shown overall, would they rather have a nice mix of affordable and other housing that would bring in nice neighbors to keep their community safe?

        Maybe ask them. You might be surprised.

        • #123 by Joe Imbriano on April 20, 2016 - 9:54 am

          I live in the area and have had many conversations with the residents. We want a retail center with a well lit parking lot. The new owner is a slumlord. He needs to be cited.

          • #124 by Reality Is..... on April 20, 2016 - 10:03 am

            LOL sounds so simple huh? Why don’t you just offer the slumlord several million and make it a so called retail center with a well lit parking lot? If only making an old industrial location thrive was so simple these days.

            • #125 by Joe Imbriano on April 20, 2016 - 10:06 am

              The landlord refused to allow the current tenants to expand or allow another grocery store to come in. Looks like he is stuck cleaning up bird dropping and trash for the time being.

              • #126 by Reality Is..... on April 20, 2016 - 10:16 am

                I’m wondering which part of your statement here is actually true and what is actually your opinion. I can understand not expanding and not upgrading and putting millions into your property if you can’t get a large chain store to come in and support the area. You sure it’s not that there are no large scale chain stores that want to come into that specific area? Or do you have information that several did want to come in and put millions into the store, and that was refused and ignored by the owner? I’ve seen numerous older retail areas change over the years once they failed over and over to get or keep large scale chain stores. I’ve seen many get plowed down and new industrial goes in or they just put houses in the area. I’m just wondering which chain stores offered to come here and were denied by the current owner.

        • #127 by resident raymond hills on April 28, 2016 - 10:23 pm

          What do the residents in that area want ??? They DON”T want to be surprised by obscene Strip Clubs opening which have been approved by the planning commission. All trust with the residents has been broken.

  25. #128 by Calling U Out on April 20, 2016 - 1:59 pm

    Joe- your statements and allegations about the so called “plans” for the property at Chapman and Raymond were, like so many other times, proven to be flat out in accurate. Do you just make this stuff up? You guys are doing the citizens of Fullerton a huge favor by being so loud and obnoxious and generally wrong on your info. It allows the rest of us to easily see who and what you really are. We don’t even need to see your aluminum hat!

    • #129 by Joe Imbriano on April 20, 2016 - 2:30 pm

      No, only what you incorrectly refer to as conspiracy theories foiling their underhanded plans once again-Like I said last night, it is all semantics, a word game, a play on words to the uninformed, unsuspecting and to the pleasure of the city hall sycophants and lackeys who cannnot see the forest for the trees. Currently, there is no “PROPOSAL BEFORE THE COUNCIL”

      Two words of importance here deviously employed by our mayor and city manager. First the word “CURRENTLY” and secondly “PROPOSAL”.

      As soon as the planning commission approves the repackaged version of the DCCSP the word “currently” will become operative.
      As soon as the planning commission approves the repackaged version of the DCCSP the word “proposal” will become operative.

      There are plans already drawn up winding their way through the channels to rezone and develop that property. The new owner had a judge vacate Polly’s lease. Of course retail will remain there.

      The question is in what form. According to Jennifer Fitzgerald we can expect one of two things.

      We can either expect the investor who bought the property with the intent to run it into the ground on possibly a handshake deal with rezoning to high density residential promised behind closed doors could be stuck with an overpriced abandoned commercial property where the only tenants will be the rats, seagulls, pigeons and the homeless squatters in their motor homes and the cell tower company paying 1500 a month to irradiate the adjacent residents.

      The other scenario will be that if they can bamboozle the residents, the planning commission and the council, which is now impossible due to Fitzgerald’s promise entered into the public record last night, the center will remain retail but the retail center will simply be on the first floor buried underneath ten story buildings full of section 8 residential quota compliance. Either way, the crony capitalist deal that was penned in invisible ink is going the way of the typewriter folks and Amen to that.

      This is what is waiting to get rammed through the planning commission and then to Fitzpringle’s lap for approval. Note the corner of Chapman and Raymond. https://www.cityoffullerton.com/civicax/filebank/blobdload.aspx?BlobID=23930.

      Of course according to our mayor Jennifer Fitzpringle, this doesn’t exist.

  26. #130 by Calling U. Out on April 20, 2016 - 2:06 pm

    Hey Joe and Barry- another day, another one of your conspiracy theories disproven by City Council. No Section 8 housing already in the plans, no high rises. Just cause you say it doesn’t make it so. But I for one am glad you continue to be so obnoxious and loud. Let’s us see you for who and what you are… No aluminum hat needed!

    • #131 by Joe Imbriano on April 20, 2016 - 2:30 pm

      No, only what you incorrectly refer to as conspiracy theories foiling their underhanded plans once again-Like I said last night, it is all semantics, a word game, a play on words to the uninformed, unsuspecting and to the pleasure of the city hall sycophants and lackeys who cannnot see the forest for the trees. Currently, there is no “PROPOSAL BEFORE THE COUNCIL”

      Two words of importance here deviously employed by our mayor and city manager. First the word “CURRENTLY” and secondly “PROPOSAL”.

      As soon as the planning commission approves the repackaged version of the DCCSP the word “currently” will become operative.
      As soon as the planning commission approves the repackaged version of the DCCSP the word “proposal” will become operative.

      There are plans already drawn up winding their way through the channels to rezone and develop that property. The new owner had a judge vacate Polly’s lease. Of course retail will remain there.

      The question is in what form. According to Jennifer Fitzgerald we can expect one of two things.

      We can either expect the investor who bought the property with the intent to run it into the ground on possibly a handshake deal with rezoning to high density residential promised behind closed doors could be stuck with an overpriced abandoned commercial property where the only tenants will be the rats, seagulls, pigeons and the homeless squatters in their motor homes and the cell tower company paying 1500 a month to irradiate the adjacent residents.

      The other scenario will be that if they can bamboozle the residents, the planning commission and the council, which is now impossible due to Fitzgerald’s promise entered into the public record last night, the center will remain retail but the retail center will simply be on the first floor buried underneath ten story buildings full of section 8 residential quota compliance. Either way, the crony capitalist deal that was penned in invisible ink is going the way of the typewriter folks and Amen to that.

      This is what is waiting to get rammed through the planning commission and then to Fitzpringle’s lap for approval. Note the corner of Chapman and Raymond. https://www.cityoffullerton.com/civicax/filebank/blobdload.aspx?BlobID=23930.

      Of course according to our mayor Jennifer Fitzpringle, this doesn’t exist.

    • #132 by Telling It Like It Is on April 20, 2016 - 11:27 pm

      I guess everything that our council members ever say always the truth, nothing but the truth so help me….my special interest friends.

    • #133 by Fullerton Lover on August 10, 2016 - 10:06 am

      Looks like the horse’s asses that troll this website, as well as the Fullerton Observer, owe Joe Imbriano and Barry Levinson a public apology for their ascertations that Polly’s Pies was never slated for demolition and to be redeveloped into high density housing…

      http://www.ocregister.com/articles/sheldrake-725178-center-polly.html?utm_campaign=OCR+Top+Stories+Curated&utm_source=hs_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=32750990&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-8PDY43QMnL1U1EAxGLmLMu5_2yKSpIfya2r_geE_osom04keLhTUeYRZHMCtBFRV3bShuYapofsyIp-rJ35FN2V8RB1w&_hsmi=32750990

  27. #134 by Einstein on April 21, 2016 - 7:01 am

    “The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing.” Albert Einstein

  28. #135 by Joe Imbriano on April 21, 2016 - 8:45 am

    This is what the mayor said at the last council meeting
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7e9UnC_

    and this is what the city’s own plans state -look at page 43
    https://www.cityoffullerton.com/civicax/

    • #136 by Reality Is..... on April 22, 2016 - 10:14 am

      I went to look at Page 43 to see the Section 8 housing quote. It says Sorry Forbidden Area LOL

      • #137 by Sloppy Joe on April 22, 2016 - 12:26 pm

        A sloppy link from sloppy Joe? Nah . . .

        Probably a link back to the real world. Clearly not permitted here.

    • #138 by FFFF failures on May 15, 2016 - 12:27 pm

      Thank Tony for Fitzgerald. Ask him how and why. So the city is out of money and out of options. That explains the manner in which they are operating. Unfortunately the majority of Fullerton has been and remains asleep. They know this and that is why they will just wear all of you down. Bushala blew it big time with Travis and Seaborn. Never again will Fullerton have that opportunity again. Chances like that come around once in a hundred years.

      • #139 by Reality Is..... on May 17, 2016 - 2:49 pm

        Ohhhhh the Ghost of Tony B! The one person in history to buy off the City of Fullerton, only to lose his investment quickly. I think Fullerton should give him an award though. Can someone nominate him through Joe Felz?

  29. #140 by Barry Levinson on July 3, 2016 - 1:06 pm

    As you can plainly see by the City of Fullerton map presented to the Planning Commission in April 2016 by the Community Development Department, Polly’s Pies was an integral part of the new Revised DCCSP which included a new zoning tool called the Mixed-Overlay Zones. If passed would give the owner of the Polly’s Pies shopping center the right to put a mixed-used project on the site without any further zoning changes. In effect making it much, much easier for the current owner to tear down the current retail center and replace it with high-rise apartments or condos with small store fronts on the first floor. This is the definition of a Mixed-Use Property as proposed by the city of Fullerton and brought before the Planning Commission on April 13, 2016. So when Mayor Fitzgerald says there is no truth that the city has a proposal to build apartments at Polly’s Pies, she is technically correct but is not being totally honest. You do not as a city propose a zoning change to allow for apartments at a site and at the same time have the Mayor say that the city and herself are doing everything they can to keep the retail center and bring new retail tenants to the site. That is NOT TRUE. So the moral of this true story is that you can not take at face value everything that Mayor Fitzgerald says on the dais at City Council meetings.

    • #141 by Reality Is.. on July 3, 2016 - 4:56 pm

      Makes sense. I’ve noticed that seems to be very popular across Southern California in the last few years. Condos, apartments, or condensed housing mixed with some nice restaurants, gyms, and other small business.

  30. #142 by Anonymous on July 11, 2016 - 11:06 am

    It is outrageous that Mayor Fitzgerald would state that there is no truth to the “internet rumors” about Polly’s Pies while a formal agenda item presented to the Planning Committee a few short weeks earlier recommended a zoning change to allow for the removal of Polly’s Pies and the addition of hundreds of apartment units.

    Either Mayor Fitzgerald is the most incompetent Mayor in Fullerton’s history or she has no problem intentionally misleading the good people of Fullerton. It is a wake-up call to all Fullertonians to never vote for someone with a built in major conflict of interest.

    Obviously in either case we need to show her the door come November.

  31. #143 by Fullerton Lover on July 11, 2016 - 8:21 pm

    Matthew Leslie succintly characterizes Ms. Fitzgerald as misleading and patronizing which is the exact opposite of what the residents of Fullerton should be seeking as their Mayor…

    https://fullertonrag.com/2016/07/10/jennifer-fitzgeralds-ballot-argument-in-favor-of-district-elections-is-misleading-and-patronizing/#comments

    • #144 by Reality Is..... on July 11, 2016 - 10:30 pm

      The Fullerton Rag. Now that’s a reliable source of information! That’s like saying that this blog is a reliable source of information for facts about Fullerton! I’ve found there really aren’t any independent reliable sources of information and news for anything in this nation any longer.

      • #145 by Anonymous on July 12, 2016 - 6:38 am

        The Rag? whose on it? hahhaa

      • #146 by Fullerton Lover on July 12, 2016 - 10:46 am

        The Fullerton Rag is basically a concerned citizens blog similar to the Fullerton Informer.

        It’s run by Matthew Leslie who is also a curator for the Fullerton museum.

        I personally have a LOT of respect for what Joe and Matthew are both trying to do for their respective community.

        I always have.

        I don’t always agree with Matt or Joe, however I do respect them both for their personal sacrifice and putting forth an honest effort to affect a positive change in Fullerton.

  32. #147 by Anonymous on August 8, 2016 - 7:34 pm

    So what happened to this project? Polly’s parking lot looks like downtown LA. That place is a dump. When are they going to clean it up and lease it out to a grocery store?

    • #148 by Fullerton Lover on August 8, 2016 - 11:37 pm

      My guess is that the commercial landowner of that property is waiting for the City Council and their minions on the Planning Commission to allow for commercial property in Fullerton to be rezoned to high density residential zoning to allow the landowners to make bank and the city to beef up their sorely depleted reserves via $12,000 per unit fees that they plan to collect from the developers.

  33. #149 by Anonymous on August 8, 2016 - 10:39 pm

    So what happened to this project? Polly’s parking lot looks like downtown LA. That place is a dump. When are they going to clean it up and lease it out?

  34. #150 by Barry Levinson on August 9, 2016 - 11:32 am

    Fullerton Lover that was exactly the city’s plan before I called this attempt to allow 6 specific commercial/retail properties including Polly’s Pies Shopping Center to add to the zoning of those properties a mixed use development scheme.

    This agenda item was presented to the Planning Commission and I spoke out vehemently against it. It was another attempt to get parts of the Downtown Core and Corridor Project passed in Fullerton.

    The Park Dwelling Fee was increased two years ago from $10,600 to $11,700. The presentation by the Parks and Recreation Department to both the P and R Committee and then to council to promote this increase in fee was misleading. I will provide detailed proof of the failure to adequately provide the context and the prior facts about the Park Dwelling Fees as we get closer to the fall election. Stay tuned. Just when you thought that are city government could not sink any lower, more of their deceptions will become known to all Fullertonians.

  35. #153 by Fullerton Lover on August 10, 2016 - 2:19 pm

    This was an article in Joseph Goebel’s, er I mean, Sharon Kennedy’s, Fullerton Observer, that chided Joe Imbriano for speaking the truth about what the REAL intentions were for Polly’s Pies…

    “Rumors swept through
    Chicken Little’s neighborhood
    recently- the pie was falling. The
    wrecking ball would soon knock
    our beloved Polly’s Pies
    Restaurant to the ground in
    favor of what many told us
    would be a less tasty multi-level
    apartment building, banishing
    the original location that started
    it all. 50 years of serving the best
    pies in the land (my words)
    would be gone, over a decade
    left on their lease be damned, as
    they would not be invited back
    once the project was completed.
    PIECE OF PIE
    That area is in need of some Fullerton
    love for sure, and certainly, some type of
    development will be approved. To the
    north across Wilshire, witness expanses
    of dirt where buildings burned and were
    swept away, cracked and littered parking
    lots, and nearby, boarded up and empty
    buildings.
    Yet, Polly’s still looks and tastes as good
    as always, a beacon in the asphalt jungle
    and a jewel in a long ago forgotten strip
    center.
    What can be done? We did find that
    the mixed use project has NOT been
    approved but nothing is settled so all we
    can say is, they are still there and once the
    final decisions are made we will be sure to
    let you know. Thanks to all who responded
    to our photo quiz last time, a lot of
    you recognized those friendly doors.”

    ….turns out that Joe and Barry were right all along!

    http://www.ocregister.com/articles/sheldrake-725178-center-polly.html

    • #154 by Joe Imbriano on August 10, 2016 - 7:42 pm

      Anyone affiliated with the Observer is not fit to hold public office in Fullerton.

  36. #155 by Fullerton Lover on August 10, 2016 - 8:19 pm

    …Joe if you don’t read the Fullerton Observer, how are you going to know where in the world that the former Mayor of Fullerton’s daughter Janny Meyer, is going to be sitting on the former Fullerton City Manager, Chris Meyer’s lap ; )
    (page 11 of 20) http://media.wix.com/ugd/50dca9_7ed62ea91b7f4a298c6fab6cfa22cf30.pdf

    I wonder if the Fullerton taxpayer’s who are paying the Mayor’s son-in-law’s retirement at $15,000 per month, look around at the mess that Fullerton has become and feel any sense of remorse that they didn’t stand up to the nepotism and cronyism that has existed in this town for far too long?

    http://transparentcalifornia.com/pensions/2015/calpers/christopher-g-meyer/

    • #156 by Joe Imbriano on August 11, 2016 - 8:01 am

      Janny Meyer has for years, arrogantly ignored the dangers of exposing tens of thousands of Fullerton elementary school students to microwave radiation in all Fullerton classrooms. Her husband Chris Meyer recently worked with Sean Paden’s campaign manager Ryan Cantor to dupe the library board into voting to pass the Hunt Library off to the council to consider a sole source bid sale to Grace Ministries. Meanwhile Chris Meyer brags about how many lobsters he eats in Mexico. Have you seen this guy lately? At that pace, that pension obligation may be relatively short lived.

    • #157 by Fullerton on August 11, 2016 - 6:41 pm

      Did you know that Janny’s son is a cop with the Fullerton PD? Gee, I wonder how that happened?

      • #158 by Danny Boy on August 11, 2016 - 9:10 pm

        Should I fire him?

        • #159 by Fullerton Lover on August 11, 2016 - 10:57 pm

          To be fair, you’d have to fire at least half of the Fullerton police department if your going to dismiss them for nepotism or cronyism.

        • #160 by Fullerton Lover on August 12, 2016 - 12:17 am

          In case anyone would like to know who “Danny Boy” is referring to his name is Brandon Clyde.
          Brandon was the officer in this article that issued the order to disperse those who were peacefully protesting in front of the Fullerton PD immediately after the courts had issued an innocent verdict of the Fullerton Police Department officers who were filmed beating Kelly Thomas to death.

          Note that the protesters who were arrested were told by the Fullerton PD on the ride to the jail, that “there are 12 cops waiting to smash their fucking faces in”.

          That’s something to be proud of, huh Danny Boy?

          http://www.ocweekly.com/news/pm-beers-films-the-police-6430160

          • #161 by Danny Boy on August 12, 2016 - 3:23 pm

            I wish that was me. Then I would have a good career as a police officer. And a great retirement.

            I’m just Danny Boy.

            That’s the Reality….

            🙂

            • #162 by Anonymous on August 12, 2016 - 4:49 pm

              Why wasn’t the DAR (Digital Audio Recording) made public? Danny Boy said it was handed over to the DA as part of the investigation. Well 2 and one half years later, that investigation went nowhere and the DAR was buried somewhere as well.

              • #163 by Danny Boy on August 12, 2016 - 8:24 pm

                You can’t give away the case too early. It was never needed. So it was never turned over. It wasn’t on a DAR either. It was on an iPhone. 3 iPhones. Just in case someone said it wasn’t true.

                Winning.

                Come to my office and I’ll let you hear it. Then you can whisper in Walder what a dumbshit he is.

          • #165 by Danny Boy on August 12, 2016 - 3:24 pm

            And if you believe those protestors were told anything like that, or anything for that matter, you are dumber than I thought all these years.

            🙂

            • #166 by Fullerton Lover on August 12, 2016 - 4:46 pm

              Why don’t you go and talk with the Fullerton resident, who made the accusation, and get his version of events?

              His name is Adam Walder. He’s made this same statement under oath in North court.

              http://www.infowars.com/protester-cops-laughed-about-having-license-to-kill/

              p.s. I can almost hear your Trump-like response that these articles are all part of a vast media conspiracy to continually make you look like the horse’s ass that you truly are.

              LOL

              • #167 by Danny Boy on August 12, 2016 - 8:22 pm

                Yep. The van was secretly recorded. Every word. It’s all hidden away just in case it’s ever needed. No cop said anything. All lies just like most silly accusations. Good try though. Tell old Walden he’s a liar.

              • #168 by Danny Boy on August 12, 2016 - 9:39 pm

                But I do think and have always thought it’s hilarious that a bunch of crap talking protestors got butt hurt because according to them some cops told them to STFU and they are pussies and they were going to kick their ass. LOL

                • #169 by Fullerton Lover on August 13, 2016 - 12:02 am

                  Of course.

                  That’s because your a sadist.

                  I think if someone that was armed threatened your children while they were handcuffed, you’d feel differently.

                  • #170 by Danny Boy on August 13, 2016 - 1:23 pm

                    Children? Those were all adults. They all acted like Children, but were all grown up. Sad state of affairs in the USA when we have to pay grown ups to travel the country to protest and they don’t even know what they are protesting for?

                    • #171 by Fullerton Lover on August 13, 2016 - 6:46 pm

                      You do know that the protester which seems to be your greatest nemesis, “A.J.”or, “Anaheim James” Redkey, was a close personal friend of Kelly Thomas don’t you?

                      You do now.

                      You only wish you had friends who would sacrifice so much to achieve justice for you.

                      I have a feeling that your friends will be in a celebratory mood when you pass.

  37. #172 by Fullerton Lover on August 10, 2016 - 8:39 pm

    Chris Meyer’s retirement announcement…

    http://www.ocregister.com/articles/city-254606-manager-meyer.html

    Timeline of Fullerton City Council members…

    https://www.cityoffullerton.com/gov/citycouncil/history_of_council_members.asp

    Looks like A.B. or “Buck” Catlin was on the city council and/or Mayor of Fullerton from the time that Chris Meyer was hired as City Manager, all the way until the time he retired at 59.

    • #173 by Anonymous on August 13, 2016 - 10:42 am

      Among all the lies, character assassinations and curse words of Danny Boy, Sloppy Joe and what is his name again, oh Reality Is, every once in a while the truth comes out.

      In this case it is Danny’s Boy admitting that a Fullerton Police Officer threatening physical violence against suspects being arrested is “hilarious”.

      Actually Danny Boy it is not hilarious and anyone who thinks it is should never be allowed to be a law enforcement officer.

      I have a very simple and direct way to effect changes in law enforcement in general and FPD specifically. EVERY TIME, THE CITY OF FULLERTON PAYS OUT A SETTLEMENT FOR THE BAD ACTS OF ONE OR MORE OF ITS POLICE OFFICERS, THAT MONEY IS TO COME OUT DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR FROM THE FPD CURRENT BUDGET. For once let their bad acts or at least the ones that end up in the criminal or civil justice system have a direct financial impact on them rather than the innocent taxpayers.

      This would go a long way in at least making FPD management be truly concerned when one of their own acts more like the criminals they are supposed to arrest and less like those that have sworn an oath to serve and protect the public.

      • #174 by Danny Boy on August 13, 2016 - 7:29 pm

        I’m ok with that idea.

        List the payouts overthrow last 20 years? Names and amounts? Any of those names still employed?

        So the people are fired in all cases? If they are found guilty of a crime and a civil judgement is rendered, most cities don’t cover the judgments against the officer.

        Many times cases throughout the state are settled for small amounts due to it costing more money to fight than settle. It’s ridiculous. So your idea wouldn’t work in those cases because the person being sued, officer, has no say in the settlement because the city is handling it all.

        Very complex system. Very maddening to see cases that have no merit settled for small amounts to avoid large legal fees for cities.

        I’m all for the idea of Officers that are found guilty of a crime having to pay any civil judgement but they usually already have to do that. The city is also always named so no way to get the Officer to pay the cities portion. Most Officers probably just claim bankruptcy anyways to avoid paying any judgements.

        Manny and Sissy wouldn’t have had to pay. Not guilty. Plus they got settlements from the City as well.

  38. #175 by Joe Imbriano on August 13, 2016 - 8:06 am

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    • #176 by Danny Boy on August 13, 2016 - 1:25 pm

      Oh you got an email from your enemy. That’s hilarious. Joe attempting to step into city hall where not a single person has even an ounce of like for you. Even if you make it, it will be a tough battle knowing everything you ask for is going to be met with resistance. From fellow council people to the lowest employee emptying trash cans. I’ve seen your emails and your name and picture all over union blogs and union break rooms. They are ready for you. Always have been..

      • #177 by Fullerton Lover on August 13, 2016 - 7:10 pm

        …this letter from a Fullerton police officer who was fired after he tried to speak out about the way that the Fullerton police department is rotten to the core, is an example of why you’ll never hear anything bad from within the Fullerton Police Department.

        From: Ben Lira
        Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 12:42 PM
        To: jfelz@ci.fullerton.ca.us; City Manager
        Subject: message/information from Benjamin Lira

        Mr. Felz,

        My name is Benjamin Lira, and although we’ve never met, I’ve been a nearly 17 year dedicated employee of the Fullerton Police Department. Recent events have left the city, the Police department and it’s employees in turmoil. I’m saddened to think I’ve had anything to do with that.

        I apologize for reaching out to you via email but myself and my colleagues have stood quiet long enough. I ask that you PLEASE take the time to read this email and reflect on it’s contents.

        If my name doesn’t ring a bell, then let me introduce myself and tell you I am the person who drafted the email to solicit bail funds for Manuel Ramos. I’m not writing you to debate the KT events; they speak for themselves. I’ve said all along that I didn’t condone the actions of the Officers, but Manuel Ramos is my friend and I did it to help a friend. Not only did I try to help a friend I checked with then Acting Chief Hamilton who told me, “I can do whatever I want as long as I do it on my own time.” Employees at the PD were confused because having not seen the video were told by Captain Crum, “that’s what happens when you fight with the Police.” On my own time I drafted an email and distributed via PORAC. I didn’t have any intentions other then to solicit donations through union members. Unfortunately, someone from LAPD put the email on his facebook page, Big City Cops. I do not have any affiliation with BCP nor do I agree with their views.

        Since drafting this email I’ve been demoted. After my demotion I was placed on paid leave for a text message I did not send and was distributed by members of the FPD. It’s unfortunate that I and on my own time am held to higher standards then some of the members of the FPD while on duty. Many in the public refer to the “culture of corruption” in the FPD and I’m here to tell you it exists. I’ve resisted long and hard the “culture of corruption” and I can no longer sit back and allow this to ruin the reputation I spent long and hard building with the community, my co-workers and my colleagues in the LE profession. Which was once a childhood dream to become a Police Officer has now become a nightmare.

        Up until now I’ve decided to remain silent, mostly at the advice of my attorney’s. I can no longer remain silent and my passion to clean up the Police department and restore its reputation remains stronger then ever. I feel it’s ironic the person now in charge of the Police department, Dan Hughes, has led the way in the culture of corruption and now makes the decisions for the Department. I implore you to please continue reading and know that against my attorney’s wishes I’m reaching out to you to give you information you may find useful.

        When I first began my career in 1995 I was eager to make a difference and that difference started in my assignment at the FPD jail. While working in the jail I watched then Senior Officer Dan Hughes slap an inmate 6-8 times in the face. I thought to myself this person doesn’t need to be a Police Officer and never did I ever imagine this person would one day be in charge. The assault was investigated and as a probationary employee and only 19years old I feel as though I was told what to say and not asked what I saw.

        During my career I worked up the ranks from Cadet, Sr Cadet, Jailer, Reserve Officer, Police Officer and Corporal. I attended CSUF and obtained my Bachelors degree in hopes of one day promoting. Sadly I was wrong because I soon realized there was a culture at FPD where a group of White Officers would promote and then promote their friends leaving the rest of us on the outside looking in. If you look at the make up of the PD it’s made up of Supervisors, their family members and friends. I know it’s hard to believe but as you continue to read on I hope you see the evidence I show to support my claim.

        In my nearly 17 years as an employee of the Fullerton Police Department I have received one citizen complaint and it was at the beginning of my career. I personally think this is impressive because all of my career but 2 years has been spent in patrol because I’ve never been given a chance to prove myself in details, assignment, training, etc. This frustration grew into depression and in 2005 I took a leave of absence. Embarrassed as to how I was feeling I didn’t tell anyone. I did what I had always told people and that’s if your not feeling well then seek counseling, and that’s exactly what I did. Unfortunately, this didn’t meet the mold of the culture at FPD because when I returned to work I had 46 metal hangers intertwined on my locker preventing me from opening it. I reported this, but of course nothing ever happened.

        Throughout my career I watched as this Culture of Corruption grew and they became increasingly racist. Mexicans would be referred to as “wetbacks” and African Americans would be referred to as the “N” word. I voiced my displeasure but to no avail. On July 22, 2008 a departmental photo was scheduled and during individual photos a group of Mexican Officers were called, “wetbacks,” “where’s your oranges,””Where’s your Chiclets.” For the first time in my career, while in uniform and not on the scene of a tragic crime, I wanted to cry. I filed a complaint and my frustration grew when the FPD brass deemed my complaint “spirited bantering.” I was mortified and couldn’t understand why this could be. From then on I suffered even more ridicule by colleagues teasing me for making a complaint.

        Since this time I’ve continued to suffer discrimination. I’ve reported this and ultimately then Chief Sellers scheduled an independent investigation. RCS investigating and consulting ultimately met with me and the results of this investigation have never been given to me. During this investigation I reported how supervisors would leave early and go drinking downtown. I reported how the supervisors would then have Officers take them home in Police/City vehicles. Ironically these same officers who would give them rides home would begin to get promoted and preferred details in the Department. I reported how then Captain Petropolous would teach at FJC and allow FPD members enroll in his class and never show up and get A’s in the class. Doesn’t sound like much until you consider Officers would use these credits which led to certificates and increase pay.

        This investigation went on and I reported a laundry list of incidents which largely alleged supervisors were derelict in their duty. I reported how supervisors would go and teach at FJC academy when they should be working at the PD. I didn’t feel it was fair to the citizens that the watch commander was getting paid to teach at FJC instead of being at the PD, but this was the norm and til this day hasn’t changed.

        10 days after this interview I was called in on a Sunday to the Watch Commanders office. I was met by an angry Dan Hughes. Hughes told me I was ordered not to talk about the above mentioned investigation and that someone had filed a complaint against me. I was never given a copy of the complaint, I was never told what the complaint was and a follow up investigation took place. I later learned from the Association that it was Dan Hughes attempt to cover up the interview which in turn led to his promotion to Captain.

        The more I look around I can’t help but feel Dan Hughes is the common theme amongst corruption that has occurred. For instance, the city is being sued by Clarke, a citizen who said he was assaulted on St Patrick’s day 2010. All those involved know it was Dan Hughes who initiated this contact and took Clarke down to the ground causing him injuries yet no record of this ever exist. In fact, this arrest was followed by Officer Cary Tong purposely slamming on the brakes and while recorded on DAR you can hear Officer Tong allowing the inmates face to slam on the “cage” three times in the Police car. I think it’s sad and ironic how now the city is being sued but up until now Hughes’ involvement is not known. To me this shows what kind of person he really is. In addition to that during this investigation he had Sgt Chocek secretly/privately go up to each officer involved and promise them lenient discipline in return for not reporting Dan Hughes’ involvement.

        These are just my stories and quiet frankly I have several more and so do other members of this department. There’s employees that are afraid to come forward in fear of risking their career like I have. There’s a lot of good employees at the FPD, one being Captain Lorraine Jones. Sir, whether you agree with me or not I ask that you please consider the common goal we have and that’s to clean up the Police Department. It breaks my heart to have to listen to the advice of my attorney’s and prepare for lawsuits because that’s not what I’m about. If you question my intentions please ask my friend, Captain Lorraine Jones. She speaks highly of you and it’s for that reason I’ve chosen to reach out to you.

        On May 17 I met with the FBI and reported what I’ve said along with other things. The FBI, like yourself, have the opportunity to make a difference for this city, it’s citizens and it’s employees and I urge you to please consider that. I think at the very minimum I’ve given you some evidence of the misdeeds perpetrated by Dan Hughes and I’m hoping it’s enough to launch an investigation and place him on administrative leave. I hope that if at any point you want to meet with me and or use me to help, that you know I’m committed to you and this city and it’s citizens.

        I’m sorry for any inconvenience any of my actions have caused.

        Sincerely,

        Benjamin Lira

        • #178 by Danny Boy on August 13, 2016 - 9:33 pm

          Lira was proven to be a liar and simply a disgruntled employee. Personally, I think he had mental issues. More old news that was proven to all be lies.

          Next?

          • #179 by Fullerton Lover on August 14, 2016 - 8:45 am

            Oldest tactic in the book is to demonize the messengers of truth like Fullerton police officer Benjamin Lira.

            Highly unlikely that a sworn officer of the Fullerton Police department could be on the job for over 15 years, and finally breaks his silence and reveals to the world the corruption, nepotism, and the real “Danny” Hughes, and suddenly he’s deemed a disgruntled employee who’s mentally unstable and everything he says is a complete lie?

            Only those not in touch with reality eh Danny Boy?

            • #180 by Danny Boy on August 14, 2016 - 11:19 am

              Well. Analyze most cases like this.

              They sue right? Civil suits have three directions. One is they are either false or very petty and are resolved to avoid extensive legal fees. Or they have some merit and are settled to the satisfaction of both parties. Or they go to court and a jury decides how factual the claims are, and if someone is liable monetarily for the damages caused.

              With that in mind, and the fact you think Lira isn’t a liar. how did his civil case against the city go and how many millions did Lira get for the whistleblowing he did here? That’s always a good gauge for truth.

              I mean even Lira admits he’s a nut right? That he had some mental issues during his career? Or did you ignore that part on purpose?

              I’ve seen many police officers fall off the edge in my career. They either see where the blame is and they resign and move onto a different job. Or they try to blame the world for their deficiencies in terms of promoting, details, etc. It’s the new era the last 5 years or so. Millennials more than anyone. Blame everyone but the person right there in the mirror.

              I think Lira regrets speaking like this in the end. He finally looked in the mirror and saw who was to blame for all of his issues.

              Have you looked in the mirror lately?

              • #181 by Fullerton Lover on August 14, 2016 - 2:11 pm

                nice story, however don’t you think that it’s REALLY ironic that Officer Ben Lira was the one who exposed the now scandal that the FPD was pulling at the Fullerton Junior College that caused all of the officers who thought they were graduating and were state certified, to lose all of their credits, and almost their jobs, when the scandal was later shown by the state to be true?

                http://www.ocregister.com/articles/state-713281-college-academy.html

                p.s. Is the 5 million that the defendants are suing the taxpayers for coming out of the FPD budget?

                p.s.s…looks like your little FPD buddy, Cary Tong, is a chip off the old blockhead when it comes to managing his public relations eh?

                http://www.fullertonpd.org/news/displaynews.asp?NewsID=492&TargetID=1

                “”All those involved know it was Dan Hughes who initiated this contact and took Clarke down to the ground causing him injuries yet no record of this ever exist. In fact, this arrest was followed by Officer Cary Tong purposely slamming on the brakes and while recorded on DAR you can hear Officer Tong allowing the inmates face to slam on the “cage” three times in the Police car. I think it’s sad and ironic how now the city is being sued but up until now Hughes’ involvement is not known. To me this shows what kind of person he really is. In addition to that during this investigation he had Sgt Chocek secretly/privately go up to each officer involved and promise them lenient discipline in return for not reporting Dan Hughes’ involvement.”

          • #182 by Anonymous on August 14, 2016 - 12:25 pm

            Actually, Reality Is, Sloppy Joe and now yourself, Danny Boy are the ones who have been proven time and again to have a really hard time with the truth.

            It is unfortunate that all three of you are so intertwined with Danny Boy and the FPD. Should we the Fullerton public make the connection that those that are the biggest supporters of the FPD, right or wrong, also are the people that have the hardest time with the truth?

          • #183 by FPD = Fullerton Political Department on August 14, 2016 - 5:16 pm

            And Danny Hughes keeps on repeating the same old lie that he does not care about politics. He more than cares about politics because the way he runs the FPD he must live and breath it as Fullerton Police Chief.

            • #184 by Danny Boy on August 15, 2016 - 10:06 am

              Police Chiefs are politicians. Sheriff’s are deep in politics but can say and do what they want because no one can fire them. Dream job. Like Sheriff Clarke on TV all the time. He can say and do what he wants without repercussions from BS activists over stupid things. The people vote them in and they can vote them out. So Chief’s have to be more careful. Sissy politicians can fire a Chief just for fun, and then just pay them millions in severance. So yea, I’m a politician to an extent, but I’m more of just a cop. You all sure fought hard to not make me Chief though didn’t you?

              • #185 by Anonymous on August 20, 2016 - 11:37 am

                Danny Boy is more honest than the real Dan Hughes, which is not anything to brag about. Why? Because the real Dan Hughes has stated on the record time and again that he does not care at all about politics. He has said that he leaves politics to the politicians. So thank you Danny Boy for helping us prove beyond a shadow of a doubt what a phony hypocrite we have as our Fullerton Police Chief. You see even our Police Chief’s biggest defenders and supporters admit that he is a lying piece of garbage.

                • #186 by Anonymous on August 21, 2016 - 8:59 am

                  Hughes is about to get his golden parachute along with Joe Felz.

                  • #187 by Anonymous on August 23, 2016 - 9:35 am

                    I wonder how much good that golden parachute is going to do in the lake of fire?

  39. #188 by Fullerton Lover on August 13, 2016 - 9:14 am

    Best news ever!

  40. #189 by Aran on August 19, 2016 - 8:38 am

    The Register article pretty much validates what Joe and Barry have said all along. Why do you think they changed their minds and are having second thoughts? This was to be a huge moneymaker for the four partners. Section 8 is gold.

    It also looks like the same tactics employed by Joe and Barry have worked in another section of the city. The Melia homes project has been withdrawn.

  41. #190 by Anonymous on August 20, 2016 - 7:38 am

    Joe has my vote!

  42. #191 by Anonymous on August 20, 2016 - 11:51 am

    Mine too. He tells the truth

  43. #192 by Danny Boy on August 22, 2016 - 6:18 pm

    Sure has been slow around here. Can you write a new article soon with some juicy gossip? We need to get this blog going again.

  44. #193 by Anonymous on August 22, 2016 - 9:12 pm

    Looks like Whitaker is following Nelson’s orders recruiting Pat’s daughter to run and keep Joe at bay. Brilliant move. How will Joe attack someone who has never uttered a word?

    • #194 by Danny Boy on August 23, 2016 - 10:18 am

      Huh? Joe has attacked many that have never uttered a word. Just read all of his articles on here.

      • #195 by Anonymous on August 30, 2016 - 7:04 am

        Looks like we have a tenant coming into the homeless encampment over there.

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