Submitted By a Concerned Troy Parent–
Troy High School teachers abruptly close doors to students and make the parents sign off on it.
Are the students caught in the middle of a contract dispute between the teachers’ union and FJUHSD?
This is just one of many forms that came home with the students from Troy teachers yesterday.
Troy teachers are now:
Unavailable for help before or after school
Unavailable for tutoring before or after school
Unavailable to write letters of recommendation for colleges or scholarships
Unavailable for AP testing review before or after class time
Teachers have decided that they will no longer be available to help the student outside of their contracted work hours.
Is the unavailability due to a union contract dispute?
Before break teachers were wearing red to protest the lack of a contract.
Some, many, or all explained to the students, during class time, why they were protesting.
The understanding was that their teaching salaries were not enough. So when it is ever enough? You be the judge. Here is the salary list for the district.
The District’s school year consists of 180 instructional days of 372 minutes each-6.2 hours a day 180 days a year. Mr. Bainter, for example had total compensation of $136, 221 for 2014 and makes $122 per hour in total compensation if you do the math. Guess it is not enough for him or the rest of them for that matter.
Keep in mind that they do not work the whole year and the wages/total compensation are unsustainable: http://www.capoliticalreview.com/capoliticalnewsandviews/calstrs-teachers-retirement-pension-system-in-deep-trouble/#respond
“Using the State accounting system for pensions, CalSTRS, the teacher retirement plan, had a $8.9 billion increase in liability, bringing it to an admitted unsustainable $67.3 billion. Using Federal pension accounting systems, the real unfunded liability is over $170 billion—and growing. At some point the taxpayers will be forced, by law, to bail out another government failure.”
Teachers want more, but are totally divorced from the fiscal reality.
Teachers want more and will totally turn their backs on the students in order to have their ‘unsustainable’ demands met. Looks like Troy teachers are doing just that.
#1 by Gail Post on January 6, 2016 - 6:14 pm
I beleive the teacher has been working 12 hours days with no lunch for many years. He does not get paid for holidays or the 10 weeks off in the summer when he is atteding training and developing curriculum.
#2 by Anonymous on January 6, 2016 - 6:41 pm
Where are the stats on the pensions and health care these people will be receiving for retirement? Does anyone have any idea what these teachers’ true hard costs are?
I am not at all impressed with the teachers that my daughters hav at Troy. This is nothing compared to the antics they have pulled over the years when my son attended. It is nice to see someone draw the curtain back for a change. It is not about the kids and it never has been about the kids over there.
#3 by Anon on January 6, 2016 - 10:08 pm
I, personally, am IMPRESSED by the teachers my child has had at Troy. I am hurt that they didn’t ASK for the support of those that LOVE THEM (underlined) instead of (following some VERY bad advice) assuming people who have CHOSEN to be here and can succeed ANYWHERE would need their children to be shut out in a torrential downpour today in order to be supported. Come on people, have some faith in us too!!!
#4 by Fullerton Lover on January 7, 2016 - 12:35 am
Fullerton Secondary Teachers Organization Leadership
Site Representatives:
Buena Park: Barbara Crampton – 714-992-8784
Fullerton: Jeff Oliva – 714-626-3903
La Habra: Chuck Ritz – 562-266-5035
La Sierra: Kristina Dean – 714-278-0910
La Vista: Aaron Eide – 714-447-5541
Sonora: Kath Beecher – 562-266-2110
Sunny Hills: Myra Deister – 714-626-4345
Troy: Jerry Benner – 714-626-4436
I can tell you from sending a couple of children through Sunny Hills, that they have MANY talented Teachers on their campus, however the union rep., Myra Deister, shouldn’t even be allowed inside of a classroom, and from all appearances, couldn’t give a rat’s behind about the children she’s paid to serve.
http://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/2014/school-districts/orange/fullerton-joint-union-high/myra-deister/
Does that mean that she’s compensated accordingly?
The actually insp
#5 by anonymous on January 8, 2016 - 12:19 am
i agree with you completely! I was not impressed when my children were at Troy four years ago. It’s time the Troy teachers were exposed for what they truly are.
#6 by Fullerton Lover on February 10, 2016 - 12:21 pm
Since the high school teachers in Fullerton are threatening to strike because they feel overworked and underpaid, I was waiting for them to release their salaries t make their case to the residents of Fullerton?
In the interest of honesty and transparency, here are the 2014 and 2013 salaries of any and all Fullerton Joint Union High School employees…
http://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/2014/school-districts/orange/fullerton-joint-union-high/
http://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/2013/school-districts/orange/fullerton-joint-union-high/
Please let us all know which ones that you believe are egregiously under paid?
#7 by Fullerton on January 6, 2016 - 7:29 pm
What is your point, Gail Post?
The tradeoff for teachers working long days is that they get summers off, Christmas break off, Spring break off, and numerous holidays that other people don’t get.
We’re not idiots, teachers don’t spend their entire summers planning for the next school year.
#8 by Anonymous on January 6, 2016 - 8:48 pm
Many people that enter the profession do so as a result of their inability to assimilate into the real world. The environment in which they exist is not reflective of society by any sense of the imagination. Most teachers are very lazy and possess degrees that would be worth far less in the private sector. When they surround themselves with intellectually immature and insecure students, they gain an over inflated sense of self worth. The result is they end up believing that they are overpaid. Nothing could be further from the truth.
http://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2011/12/07/eight_reasons_public_school_teachers_arent_underpaid_99405.html
#9 by Former Troy student on January 7, 2016 - 8:27 am
During school breaks like thanksgiving and winter breaks, teachers are busy writing letters of recommendations for students, sometimes instead of spending time with their families. Of course, this is not true for all teachers, but having had Mr. Bainter as my teacher back in the day, I know he’s a popular teacher among the students and would probably have been swamped with this task.
As for their summers, I don’t know what exactly they do, but if they’re not being paid, I assume they’ll find jobs to work since many teachers have families to feed and clothe and shelter.
I can’t speak for teachers at other schools and districts, but I know many Troy teachers do so much for heir students, really care about them, and are always busy (sometimes staying up nights) grading AP level material so they can get grades to the academically needy students who always want to see it the very next day.
If you put it this way, maybe you’ll have more sympathy for the teachers: they probably take work home every single night and work despite (or on top of) having family duties and tasks they have to do while a typical office worker does not take work home as frequently. Take those hours the teachers put in at home prepping and grading, and their hourly wages might start to look a lot smaller than what they deserve.
#10 by Anonymous on January 7, 2016 - 10:03 am
I have no doubt that there are Troy teachers that truly love their profession and put in the time to help them succeed. Some of them are there for reasons other than the student’s education.
You cannot look at this matter without understanding that the total compensation package for teachers is not sustainable. The unfunded pension liabilities are putting us in the hole. This has been going on for a long while in California and applies to all public pensioners, at most city, state, county, school district level.
So, what do you do in this situation? You can’t continue to bury us and future generations (that’s you) in these costs.
Question: Why do teachers continue to demand more of what we do not have? Why are they willing to sacrifice the very reason for receiving compensation, the students?
#11 by Anonymous on January 8, 2016 - 11:09 am
Is that why they are so mean to students?
#12 by teachers? on January 8, 2016 - 11:53 am
I feel sorry for some of the teachers. They are caught between their union (which is now a monster) and a love for the students and teaching.
Nevertheless, the kids are paying the price and teachers’ profession and value are diminishing.
Yes, some of the teachers are mean to the students. They should NEVER be around kids! I don’t know how you could ever get to the point where you are mean to the students.
#13 by Fullerton Lover on January 6, 2016 - 11:40 pm
http://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/2014/school-districts/orange/fullerton-joint-union-high/david-bainter/
#14 by Former Troy Student on January 7, 2016 - 8:42 am
“Most teachers are lazy,” but not the ones at Troy. I don’t think it’s adequate to generalize Troy teachers to the average US teacher. They do far more and care far more than a “typical teacher.” I don’t know what caused Mr. Bainter to react this way that would affect the students, and I’m sure he had his reasons, like maybe family tensions at home because he’s been at Troy after school instead of picking up his kids, or even his grandkids.
For all of you criticizing and attacking these teachers, they are people, too, with families to support. Put yourself in their shoes and see how well you can do their job when you’re grading and planning every night, at school before the sun rises and after the sun sets every day, answer students’ questions while munching on your lunch, and going home to repeat this lis of things Troy teachers do while maintaining regular parent and family duties of serving meals, packing lunches, giving children rides, checking their hw, loving their spouse enough, etc. etc.
Please, dare to imply Troy teachers are lazy one more time.
#15 by Fullerton on January 7, 2016 - 7:34 pm
Troy teachers are lazy AND arrogant. I went there too. Don’t try to tell me I’m uninformed.