THEY SAY THE ROAD TO HELL IS PAVED WITH GOOD INTENTIONS AND THEY ARE NOT KIDDING.
WAKE UP FOLKS. RIGHT NOW, LIKE NO TIME IN HUMAN HISTORY THERE IS A CONCERTED GLOBAL EFFORT TO FORCIBLY VACCINATE EVERY LAST MAN WOMAN AND CHILD ON THE PLANET.
DO VACCINES SAVE LIVES? HAVE THEY IN THE PAST? COULD THEY IN THE FUTURE? CAN WE TRUST THOSE WHO HAVE THE HOTS FOR OUR BLOODSTREAMS? I WILL TAKE MY CHANCES. IF PEOPLE WANT TO LET THEIR KIDS GUZZLE ASPARTAME, SUCRALOSE, AND HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP BY THE GALLONS, FEED THEIR BABIES COFFEE CREAMER OUT OF AN INFANT FORMULA CAN AND LITERALLY EAT PURE GARBAGE MICROWAVED FAKE FOOD, THEN BY ALL MEANS INJECT THOSE PEOPLE TILL THE COWS COME HOME. LEAVE THE REST OF US ALONE.
Senator Rand Paul’s actual words:
The Hepatitis B vaccine is now given to newborns. We sometimes give 5 or 6 vaccines at one time. I chose to have mine delayed. I don’t want the government telling me I have to give my child Hepatitis B vaccine which is transmitted by sexually transmitted disease and/or blood transfusion. . . . I had mine staggered over several months. I’ve heard of many cases of walking, talking normal children who wound up with profound mental disorders after vaccines. …I think they’re a good thing, but I think the parents should have some input. The state doesn’t own your children. The parents own the children and it is an issue of freedom.
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Parents of a healthy five month-old baby boy are distraught after their son died less than two days after receiving eight vaccines in one well-baby visit.
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Parents MUST maintain the rights to choose what medical interventions they feel are safe for their child. They are the ones who have to live with the consequences.
California Infant Dies after 8 Vaccines, Family Gets Him Back from Hospital Cremated vactruth.com
Parents of a healthy five month-old baby boy are distraught after their son died less than two days after receiving eight vaccines in one well-baby visit.
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Mary Davenport
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God rest the soul of this precious little one. I absolutely do not support giving eight vaccines at once. This is tragic. Rand Paul, AN ACTUAL PHYSICIAN, is the only presidential candidate that seems to understand this. He spread out the vaccines for his children. And the parents have no recourse. They cannot hold any one responsible, because the pharmaceutical companies and physicians are exempt from accountability under current law.
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Jeffrey Stone
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I feel terrible for these parents. It should be known that the risk to children from vaccines is very, very small and rarely are children who are properly screened harmed by vaccines.
http://www.vaccinateyourbaby.org/safe/autism/overburdening.cfm
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Diane Sellers, MA, LMFT, RN-BC
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Hmmm, Jeffrey, you certainly seem to have all the credentials to speak authoritatively on this topic. Thanks for the link to the article. I wonder if you could answer a couple questions: Is there any harm likely from spreading out the vaccine schedule? And, given that breast-fed babies have all the immunities of their mothers, how might a formula-fed baby be impacted differently?
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Diane Hickey
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Please consider this message from pediatrician Dr. Paul Thomas, addressing the topic of aluminum in vaccines and giving Hep B in vaccines to infants: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee70I5bm3-k#t=99
On the subject of thimerosal in vaccines, please consider this message from Tom Burbacher, Ph.D., Director, Infant Primate Research Lab, University of Washington, Seattle, titled “Trace Amounts: Ethyl Mercury vs. Methyl Mercury: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx7fW52rHtM&feature=youtu.be
My understanding is that Russia does not allow thimerosal in vaccines.
The US Government has paid out over $3 B in vaccine injury/death lawsuits. That Health and Human Services source document is here: http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/statisticsreport.pdf
I believe everyone would benefit by examining the other side of vaccines that look at efficacy, ingredients, and history of vaccines. The > $3B payout for injury and death, the pharmaceutical industry not liable for their products, and the use of known toxins, heavy metals, begs many, many questions from parents.
All things considered, parents are trusting in vaccines, which could result in injury or death to their child. That has already been decided by the courts.
As a mom of three that used to get her children vaccinated, I have come to the conclusion that the current system cannot be trusted and I will not take the risk. Informed consent must remain intact.
For an examination of the other side of the vaccine issue:
National Vaccine Information Center http://www.nvic.org
VaxTruth http://vaxtruth.org
“Bought”, free movie viewing through 3/6, advertised in full page WSJ ad last Friday:
https://www.boughtmovie.net/free-viewing/
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Jeffrey Stone
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Diane,
My first question would be, why do we do we need an alternative vaccine schedule when the one we have has been proven to be safe and effective? The rate of severe reactions (long-lasting illness) that is proven to be due to vaccination is 1:1M or less. I believe what is more important is to assure that children who are at risk of severe reactions are not vaccinated. Healthcare providers and parents both need to be aware of the the symptoms that would put children at risk and follow those guidelines.
Here are a couple of links speaking clearly to why alternative schedules are not a good idea:
http://www.webmd.com/children/vaccines/features/robert-sears-alternative-vaccine-schedulehttp://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/patient-ed/conversations/downloads/vacsafe-child-immun-color-office.pdf
In my opinion, if someone is looking for an alternative it is because we don’t fully trust what we have. If one doesn’t fully understand why we do what we do, then how can they make an educated decision as to whether what we do is correct or not? Everyone needs to be better educated about vaccination and infectious disease and how we currently treat it and why.
The issue of breastfeeding is a big one with multiple complex factors. We know that breastfeeding provides antibodies (as well as other immune factors) that can protect a child (with passive immunity) from disease. However, in order to protect a child the mother must have contracted the disease and have those disease-specific antibodies. As well, the mother must have contracted the disease recently enough to have enough circulating antibody to be able to pass it on to her child. Finally, as I mentioned the immunity is passive and there are no memory B cells which would allow the child to mount a full active immune response and produce their own antibodies to fight the infection. Pediatricians and most of us now know that breastfed is best and I personally believe that it is best to breastfeed until children receive the full schedule of first round vaccinations (15-18 months old).
I personally frown on the use of formula and would think that a breast milk donor from trusted source would be a better alternative.
Sorry Diane, but I don’t use YouTube as my source for reliable information. I will try to address your issues directly at some point if you like.
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Diane Hickey
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I would encourage all parents to begin to explore and understand what the risks of these vaccines are, what toxins are being injected into their children’s bloodstream, efficacy rates, and the history of diseases and vaccines. It is very enlightening and conveys an entirely different picture than that communicated by our children’s pediatrician, media, and the overall implied safety of vaccines.
The facts are simple, injury and death has been incurred from vaccines. That is undeniable.
Jeffrey Stone, I am sorry you are closed off, by virtue of not using YouTube, to the messages of pediatrician Dr. Paul Thomas and Tom Burbacher, Ph.D., Director, Infant Primate Research Lab, University of Washington, Seattle. They seem rather credible sources of experience and study.
As California Senators Pan & Allen are trying to legislate forced vaccination of our children, this issue is particularly critical. They are moving to eliminate personal belief exemptions. If that comes to pass, parents would be forced to vaccinate their children.
Thank you for allowing me to comment and your consideration of a very important topic.
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Zonya Townsend
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Patients have right to know in a full disclosure, the potential side effects of these so called “safe vaccinations”. It is unethical for pharmaceutical companies or medical personnel to marginalize this Right. Greater education of the efficacy and consequences of this issue needs to be brought to the forefront of the general public and medical community.
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Jeffrey Stone
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Diane and Zonya, I agree with you wholeheartedly, as does the CDC, WHO, FDA and PHS. Which is why they are very clear about the risks and post them on their websites.
Unfortunately, others take statements out of context and make much ado about nothing. This distorts the truth and makes it appear that there is reason to be fearful when this is not the case. The problem with doing this is that you cast doubt and instill fear in parents. Parents then make a decision to not vaccinate or pursue proven therapies and instead turn to unproven alternative therapies which may put their children at risk. I am not saying that alternative therapies are inappropriate, but they need to be proven and conventional therapies that are well documented should not be distorted as being more of a risk than they really are.
As you can see in these links, the risks of vaccination are clearly documented:
http://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/initiative/tools/vaccinfosheets/en/http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/side-effects.htmhttp://www.aafp.org/afp/2002/1201/p2113.html
As you can see, the rate of serious complications directly attributable to vaccination is 1:1M or less. We know this because we know the rates of these same complications in those who are not vaccinated and we are able to see when these rates rise after vaccination. What many parents (and even some physicians) fail to think about, is that for those rare individual who have serious complications due to a vaccine, the majority of those individuals would have had the same serious reaction to natural infection. In some cases the reaction is due to an allergic reaction to some component in the vaccine, but the majority are individuals who are either immunocompromised or have a mitochondrial or similar genetic anomaly which puts them at greater risk of infection (and thus vaccination). Many of these individuals’ issues are caught early on by their healthcare provider, but not always. For those who have allergic reactions, it is at times the case that the allergy is never recognized until after the first vaccination and subsequent reaction.
Regarding toxins in vaccines like aluminum, formaldehyde, etc. Just remember that when it comes to toxins it is all about dose. The amount of aluminum and formaldehyde in vaccines is considered safe and that has been shown over and over agin in very large studies. Of course, this doesn’t mean that scientists aren’t actively pursuing new adjuvants and preservatives, stabilizers, etc. that would be even safer, as we are. But it is very clear that thimerosal, aluminum, etc. are not the smoking guns that some have suggested.
I support limiting the amount of toxic heavy metals and other toxins in our environment. I believe we should limit our use of pesticides and that we should minimize our consumption of processed foods. I think we should change our lifestyles before becoming dependent on pharmaceuticals (when possible).
But, I also know that vaccination is the most effective way to prevent disease and has saved millions of lives. It is my opinion that those who say that we need more information on the safety and efficacy of vaccines either isn’t aware of the data that is already out there, or refuses to believe it know matter how much data we present.
There are currently over 100 studies which show absolutely no link between vaccines and autism and yet the claim is still thrown around as if there is overwhelming evidence that it is true. It just is not the case. Autism is not caused by vaccination!
http://justthevax.blogspot.com/2014/03/75-studies-that-show-no-link-between.html
Diane, nobody is trying to force vaccination on anyone. Everyone has the right to teach their kids at home or at a private institution that doesn’t mandate vaccination. As well, anyone with a medical or religious exemption is not required to be vaccinated. There is no such thing as forced vaccination and I very much doubt there ever will be.
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Jeffrey Stone
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Also, I am not saying that I don’t or will not watch these YouTube videos. All I am saying is that if that is your only source for evidence that you are likely to not be getting a very accurate picture of the truth.
Regarding the use of thimerosal, I never liked it and there are other anti-fungals that can be used. I was very happy when they made the decision to remove them from pediatric vaccines. I know that the doses weren’t high enough to cause injury, but in my opinion mercury in any form is not a good idea. Especially when we have so much in the environment already.
Just remember that the injury compensation program does not require any proof that the vaccine actually caused injury. There are some guidelines for compensation, but it is very likely that many of the injuries were not caused by the vaccine. If you read this GAO study, you will see that many of the claims were negotiated and there was no preponderance of evidence for causation: http://www.gao.gov/assets/670/667136.pdf
I have read and watched your last three resources and they are all based on speculation or misinformation and are not reliable sources.
Yes injury has been caused and will continue to be, but not because vaccines are not generally safe and effective, but rather because each of us is unique and a very small number of us are at risk from vaccination because of our individuality. The risk from infectious diseases returning because we do not vaccinate is much greater however and we cannot take that risk as a society.
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Diane Sellers, MA, LMFT, RN-BC
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Thanks, Jeffrey, though your responses are a little confusing because there happen to be 2 of us named Diane. (I don’t find WebMD to be any more or less credible a source than you-tube. And, no, I don’t trust the inventions of man. As a mother of 3, I have experience with MDs that has taught me the importance of trusting my gut when it comes to my children’s health and well-being. I know my children; they are part of me. I don’t know you or any other “expert.” Enough said.
So let me throw this thought into the mud puddle: Given the fact that genetically, we are deteriorating or accumulating genetic defects at the rate of about 1-2% with each generation, doesn’t it therefore behoove us to be more cautious with each generation in applying medical science innovations? This is not to disparage your accomplishments, but only to validate the preciousness of each human life, even the 1:1M, which, if he was your child might make you think twice.
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Jeffrey Stone
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I have 4 children who are all vaccinated and all healthy. Not sure where you got the genetic mutation rate, although mutation has occurred throughout evolutionary history.
You don’t trust anything man made? Like all grains, fruits and vegetables and legumes? Like the computer you are using so we can communicate, cell phones, your vehicle? Everyone has to make the choices they feel comfortable with. You need to know however that if enough people continue to not vaccinate their children that we will continue to have outbreaks. I suppose I wouldn’t feel half as bad if my child was one of the 1:1M as I would if they were one of the 1:1000 who die of measles and I knew I had chosen to not protect them.
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Jeff have you read SB277?
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Zonya Townsend
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Oh he must not have read it because here is his direct quote from above, “Diane, nobody is trying to force vaccination on anyone. Everyone has the right to teach their kids at home or at a private institution that doesn’t mandate vaccination. As well, anyone with a medical or religious exemption is not required to be vaccinated. There is no such thing as forced vaccination and I very much doubt there ever will be.” This is a new worthwhile discussion to start. If someone with Jeffrey’s credentials wasn’t aware of it, then the general public must not know of it also…..
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How can this guy not know about SB277 when it is all over the news and this guy makes a living off of vaccines? He is either an idiot or he is a liar. Look SB277 removes the personal beliefs exemption period. Religious exemptions are not in the statute but were added by Brown through executive order after AB2109 was implemented. This guy is trying to put you all to sleep so they can ram this through.
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To Joe I. Personal attacks not necessary! To all: I disagree with forced vacines. I would encourage all to get vacated using best judgement. 8 in a visit seems much but I don’t k ow the situation. Jeff is an honorable caring and capable human being. Respectfully submitted to all. Ben3
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This is not about personal attacks-this guy is lying about the forced vaccination law that is winding its way through Sacramento. This guy is an industry insider and says there will never be forced vaccinations? We lose the right to say no to this crap then they can do whatever they want to us. The law opens the door to an unlimited number of vaccines and an ever expanding age group.. If he is a caring honorable capable human being he will get behind our right as honorable capable human beings to make health decisions for ourselves. This is America not communist China where they they have the vans drive around doing forced abortions.
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Diane Hickey
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I agree with you, Joe. SB277 is a huge issue that seeks to destroy our religious, philosophic rights as parents to make informed decision.
Using this discussion to spread blatant misinformation, as Jeffrey Stone has done is unconscionable. Only he can answer as to what his motivation is. Given what is at stake, here, I find it particularly cruel.
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Zonya Townsend
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I checked a couple of the websites Jeffrey quoted and came across HPV. It appears side effects have been downplayed. I’ve heard and read a great deal of controversy regarding gardasil, to the extent of death. I’m concerned that pharmaceutical companies that have a vested monetary interest can be completely objective….
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Jeffrey Stone
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First off, I do not make my living off from vaccines or anything to do with vaccines. Secondly, I do not lie (although I might be an idiot, but I doubt that as well)! Thirdly, yes, I have read SB277 and all that they are proposing is reeducating the personal beliefs clause. This bill as it currently stands and as is proposed only speaks to the fact that children cannot attend public school unless they are vaccinated. If someone doesn’t plan to put their child in public school then their is nothing in the bill which “forces” the parent to vaccinate their child. But, don’t take my word for it, as you can read it http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201520160SB277
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Jeffrey Stone
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I meant redacting and not reeducating above (darn auto-correct). I am also not an industry insider. My current focus is helping physicians set up bioidentical hormone replacement in their practice as well as teaching individuals how to eat a whole foods diet. Very far from anything you would consider vaccine. I speak out for vaccination because I am a trained virologist and I believe it is the best thing we can do to protect our children from disease. I have my own business so I can spend more time with my 2 year old daughter – who is fully vaccinated and healthy and happy. I already said that I don’t believe that vaccination would be mandatory and your slippery slope arguments are just that
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Jeffrey Stone
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Zonya, HPV and cervical cancer is one of the leading causes of death in third-world countries. The only reason it isn’t here is because of the extensive screening for cervical cancer through a yearly pap smear that we have in the US. Not to mention the very high rates of anal and oral cancer from HPV.
The majority os studies I have seen have shown HPV vaccines to be safe and effective, although I have seen some questioning the efficacy (but not safety).
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21198715http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21942919http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Vaccines/HPV/hpv_faqs.htmlhttp://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Vaccines/HPV/Index.html#data
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Diane Hickey
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For all who are interested, here is a marked up (in red) changes proposed in SB277.
Vaccines are forced in all school environments: public, private, and home
Closed minds are just that, closed.
End of discussion.
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Diane Hickey
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SB 277: http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201520160SB277
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Jeffrey Stone
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The exact reading is “(1) Existing law prohibits the governing authority of a school or other institution from unconditionally admitting any person as a pupil of any public or private elementary or secondary school, child care center, day nursery, nursery school, family day care home, or development center, unless prior to his or her admission to that institution he or she has been fully immunized against various diseases, including measles, mumps, and pertussis, subject to any specific age criteria. Existing law authorizes an exemption from those provisions for medical reasons or because of personal beliefs, if specified forms are submitted to the governing authority.”
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Jeffrey Stone
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This does not include home schooling your children. When they say “family day care home”, this means that if you have a day care in which you watch other peoples children for profit.
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This guy is a total liar folks-He is not an idiot he is a liar-
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SB277 removes the personal beliefs exemption. Now Jeff if you can get me a different version off of the Senate printer that shows the exemption will remain then I will gladly debate the other aspects of immunizations. Until then, come clean.
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Your proudly display “vaccine design” on your page? Stop the spin and lies Jeff. Quote the language of SB 277 not the existing portion of the statute that AB 2019 gave us,.To legally home school in the state of California, you must file a private school affidavit with the California dept of education. All home schoolers attend private schools in California. All homeschoolers are legally considered pupils enrolled in private schools under the current law. Under SB 277, homeschoolers whose parents d not wish to have their children immunized will either need to obtain an impossible to acquire medical exemption or BE FORCIBLY VACCINATED AGAINST THEIR PARENTS’ WILL with no limit on the nature or amount of immunizations in the mandated battery. SB 277 allows for the unlimited vaccines leaving the door open to government agencies to add to the battery that is required. Next step will be to publicly expose you on a much larger scale, You sir are a total liar.