Troy High School teachers abruptly close door to students


Submitted By a Concerned Troy Parent

Troy High School teachers abruptly close doors to students and make the parents sign off on it.

Are the students caught in the middle of a contract dispute between the teachers’ union and FJUHSD?

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This is just one of many forms that came home with the students from Troy teachers yesterday.

Troy teachers are now:

Unavailable for help before or after school

Unavailable for tutoring before or after school

Unavailable to write letters of recommendation for colleges or scholarships

Unavailable for AP testing review before or after class time

Teachers have decided that they will no longer be available to help the student outside of their contracted work hours.

Is the unavailability due to a union contract dispute?

Before break teachers were wearing red to protest the lack of a contract.

Some, many, or all explained to the students, during class time, why they were protesting.

The understanding was that their teaching salaries were not enough. So when it is ever enough? You be the judge. Here is the salary list for the district.

http://http://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/2014/school-districts/orange/fullerton-joint-union-high/

The District’s school year consists of 180 instructional days of 372 minutes each-6.2 hours a day 180 days a year. Mr. Bainter, for example had total compensation of $136, 221 for 2014 and makes $122 per hour in total compensation if you do the math. Guess it is not enough for him or the rest of them for that matter.

Keep in mind that they do not work the whole year and the wages/total compensation are unsustainable:  http://www.capoliticalreview.com/capoliticalnewsandviews/calstrs-teachers-retirement-pension-system-in-deep-trouble/#respond

“Using the State accounting system for pensions, CalSTRS, the teacher retirement plan, had a $8.9 billion increase in liability, bringing it to an admitted unsustainable $67.3 billion. Using Federal pension accounting systems, the real unfunded liability is over $170 billion—and growing. At some point the taxpayers will be forced, by law, to bail out another government failure.”

Teachers want more, but are totally divorced from the fiscal reality.

Teachers want more and will totally turn their backs on the students in order to have their ‘unsustainable’ demands met. Looks like Troy teachers are doing just that.

  1. #1 by Joe Imbriano on January 6, 2016 - 8:26 am

    “Totally divorced from reality” agreed

  2. #2 by Anonymous on January 6, 2016 - 1:23 pm

    I agree. These teachers should not be doing this to the students. There are many that need extra help. Troy is a very rigorous school. This will cost students their GPA.

    • #3 by a mom on January 6, 2016 - 4:12 pm

      Apparently, they weighed the cost to the students and decided to go ahead.

      • #4 by Anonymous on January 6, 2016 - 5:11 pm

        Really bad move on their part http://nocut.homestead.com/FSTO/Leadership.html

        Executive Board:

        President: Mary Wild
        Vice President: John Marvin
        Secretary: Kath Beecher
        Treasurer: Karen Hall
        Communication: Karen Rapien
        Elections: Linda Grunnet

        State Council Representatives:
        Chuck Ritz, Darlene Naslund, Karen Rapien, Mimi Gaudette

        NOCUT Representatives:
        Mary Wild, John Marvin, Chuck Ritz, Debbie Martinez

        Bargaining Team:
        Charles Ritz (Chair), Mayra Deister, Mary Wild, John Bowen, Allen Stubblefield

        MEBA Representatives:
        Karen Hall, Allen Stubblefield, Steve Balentine

        Human Rights Contact:
        Bellerieve Dean, Nolina Beauchamp

        Women’s Issues:
        Linda Grunnet

        Fullerton Secondary Teachers Organization Leadership
        Site Representatives:

        Buena Park: Barbara Crampton – 714-992-8784
        Fullerton: Jeff Oliva – 714-626-3903
        La Habra: Chuck Ritz – 562-266-5035
        La Sierra: Kristina Dean – 714-278-0910
        La Vista: Aaron Eide – 714-447-5541
        Sonora: Kath Beecher – 562-266-2110
        Sunny Hills: Myra Deister – 714-626-4345
        Troy: Jerry Benner – 714-626-4436

        Catostrophioc Leave Bank:
        Myra Deister, Janet Schaad, Robin Oliver

        Project Pride:
        John Marvin, Chuck Ritz, Mary Wild

        Orange Service Center Rep at Large:
        Andy Montoya

        • #5 by Fullerton Lover on February 10, 2016 - 12:24 pm

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      • #6 by Anon on January 6, 2016 - 9:16 pm

        I was just here last week vigorously defending Troy. Whose bright idea was it to hurt the students? Whose bright idea was it strong arm the people who actually ALREADY LOVE AND SUPPORT the teachers here??? Why didn’t they know they could just ask for support??? WHY didn’t they know people would be there???? Why start with Troy? You have THE BEST students (some of the best in our Nation) in what is it four or five counties CHOOSING to come to you. FAMILIES MOVING or COMMUTING on THESE freeways everyday, twice a day, to have a chance to be at this school. Your students and parents supporting Troy High school to #3 in California on Niche!! It’s not even about the AP review, tutoring, or letters of recommendation. Most of these kids CAN AND HAVE LEARNED ON THEIR OWN before they even entered kindergarten. Please don’t ruin one of the only shelters for the gifted to run to. Maybe that is why they started with Troy? Please understand for some of these kids it’s all about the challenge, relationship and trust with their teachers/adults who are meeting their needs and nothing about the extra help they don’t even need to take the school to best.

  3. #8 by Barry Levinson on January 6, 2016 - 2:19 pm

    There are many good and devoted teachers in the teaching profession. They are now being forced to teach in whole or at least in part to the new harmful common core dumbing down standards. Isn’t that an oxymoron, the phrase “common core standards”?
    It is clear that normally a teacher’s union contractual demands are primarily about the salaries, benefits and working conditions of its employees, regardless of their potential negative impact on their students with regard to increased class size and/or lack of money for books and supplies, etc. I will never expect that any teachers’ union act in the best interest of their students. However, it would be refreshing and different to see some concern for the students as well as the teachers they represent. It would also be nice to see more good teachers stand up against their unions, when the unions propose various contract items that will not be in the best interest of their students.

    • #9 by Anon on January 6, 2016 - 4:10 pm

      School isn’t about the students’ education anymore. It hasn’t been in a very long time.

      If that was not the case, Common Core would not even exist and teachers would not be replaced with technology devices. The public school model is now owned by corporations that view public education as their own profit model.

      Oh, and they must irradiate the kids with the wireless.

  4. #10 by Anonymous on January 6, 2016 - 5:28 pm

    This is disgusting, infantile and selfish behavior. By the way, what happened to the post on the Troy High Facebook page?

    These teachers that participate in this should be fired.

    • #11 by About Troy High FB page . . . on January 6, 2016 - 6:09 pm

      Whenever any subject of import or relevance comes up, it is subsequently deleted.

  5. #12 by Gail Post on January 6, 2016 - 6:14 pm

    I beleive the teacher has been working 12 hours days with no lunch for many years. He does not get paid for holidays or the 10 weeks off in the summer when he is atteding training and developing curriculum.

    • #13 by Anonymous on January 6, 2016 - 6:41 pm

      Where are the stats on the pensions and health care these people will be receiving for retirement? Does anyone have any idea what these teachers’ true hard costs are?

      I am not at all impressed with the teachers that my daughters hav at Troy. This is nothing compared to the antics they have pulled over the years when my son attended. It is nice to see someone draw the curtain back for a change. It is not about the kids and it never has been about the kids over there.

      • #14 by Anon on January 6, 2016 - 10:08 pm

        I, personally, am IMPRESSED by the teachers my child has had at Troy. I am hurt that they didn’t ASK for the support of those that LOVE THEM (underlined) instead of (following some VERY bad advice) assuming people who have CHOSEN to be here and can succeed ANYWHERE would need their children to be shut out in a torrential downpour today in order to be supported. Come on people, have some faith in us too!!!

        • #15 by Fullerton Lover on January 7, 2016 - 12:35 am

          Fullerton Secondary Teachers Organization Leadership
          Site Representatives:

          Buena Park: Barbara Crampton – 714-992-8784
          Fullerton: Jeff Oliva – 714-626-3903
          La Habra: Chuck Ritz – 562-266-5035
          La Sierra: Kristina Dean – 714-278-0910
          La Vista: Aaron Eide – 714-447-5541
          Sonora: Kath Beecher – 562-266-2110
          Sunny Hills: Myra Deister – 714-626-4345
          Troy: Jerry Benner – 714-626-4436

          I can tell you from sending a couple of children through Sunny Hills, that they have MANY talented Teachers on their campus, however the union rep., Myra Deister, shouldn’t even be allowed inside of a classroom, and from all appearances, couldn’t give a rat’s behind about the children she’s paid to serve.

          http://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/2014/school-districts/orange/fullerton-joint-union-high/myra-deister/

          Does that mean that she’s compensated accordingly?

          The actually insp

      • #16 by anonymous on January 8, 2016 - 12:19 am

        i agree with you completely! I was not impressed when my children were at Troy four years ago. It’s time the Troy teachers were exposed for what they truly are.

      • #17 by Fullerton Lover on February 10, 2016 - 12:21 pm

        Since the high school teachers in Fullerton are threatening to strike because they feel overworked and underpaid, I was waiting for them to release their salaries t make their case to the residents of Fullerton?

        In the interest of honesty and transparency, here are the 2014 and 2013 salaries of any and all Fullerton Joint Union High School employees…

        http://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/2014/school-districts/orange/fullerton-joint-union-high/

        http://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/2013/school-districts/orange/fullerton-joint-union-high/

        Please let us all know which ones that you believe are egregiously under paid?

    • #18 by Fullerton on January 6, 2016 - 7:29 pm

      What is your point, Gail Post?

      The tradeoff for teachers working long days is that they get summers off, Christmas break off, Spring break off, and numerous holidays that other people don’t get.

      We’re not idiots, teachers don’t spend their entire summers planning for the next school year.

      • #19 by Anonymous on January 6, 2016 - 8:48 pm

        Many people that enter the profession do so as a result of their inability to assimilate into the real world. The environment in which they exist is not reflective of society by any sense of the imagination. Most teachers are very lazy and possess degrees that would be worth far less in the private sector. When they surround themselves with intellectually immature and insecure students, they gain an over inflated sense of self worth. The result is they end up believing that they are overpaid. Nothing could be further from the truth.

        http://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2011/12/07/eight_reasons_public_school_teachers_arent_underpaid_99405.html

      • #20 by Former Troy student on January 7, 2016 - 8:27 am

        During school breaks like thanksgiving and winter breaks, teachers are busy writing letters of recommendations for students, sometimes instead of spending time with their families. Of course, this is not true for all teachers, but having had Mr. Bainter as my teacher back in the day, I know he’s a popular teacher among the students and would probably have been swamped with this task.

        As for their summers, I don’t know what exactly they do, but if they’re not being paid, I assume they’ll find jobs to work since many teachers have families to feed and clothe and shelter.
        I can’t speak for teachers at other schools and districts, but I know many Troy teachers do so much for heir students, really care about them, and are always busy (sometimes staying up nights) grading AP level material so they can get grades to the academically needy students who always want to see it the very next day.

        If you put it this way, maybe you’ll have more sympathy for the teachers: they probably take work home every single night and work despite (or on top of) having family duties and tasks they have to do while a typical office worker does not take work home as frequently. Take those hours the teachers put in at home prepping and grading, and their hourly wages might start to look a lot smaller than what they deserve.

        • #21 by Anonymous on January 7, 2016 - 10:03 am

          I have no doubt that there are Troy teachers that truly love their profession and put in the time to help them succeed. Some of them are there for reasons other than the student’s education.

          You cannot look at this matter without understanding that the total compensation package for teachers is not sustainable. The unfunded pension liabilities are putting us in the hole. This has been going on for a long while in California and applies to all public pensioners, at most city, state, county, school district level.

          So, what do you do in this situation? You can’t continue to bury us and future generations (that’s you) in these costs.

          Question: Why do teachers continue to demand more of what we do not have? Why are they willing to sacrifice the very reason for receiving compensation, the students?

          • #22 by Anonymous on January 8, 2016 - 11:09 am

            Is that why they are so mean to students?

            • #23 by teachers? on January 8, 2016 - 11:53 am

              I feel sorry for some of the teachers. They are caught between their union (which is now a monster) and a love for the students and teaching.

              Nevertheless, the kids are paying the price and teachers’ profession and value are diminishing.

              Yes, some of the teachers are mean to the students. They should NEVER be around kids! I don’t know how you could ever get to the point where you are mean to the students.

      • #25 by Former Troy Student on January 7, 2016 - 8:42 am

        “Most teachers are lazy,” but not the ones at Troy. I don’t think it’s adequate to generalize Troy teachers to the average US teacher. They do far more and care far more than a “typical teacher.” I don’t know what caused Mr. Bainter to react this way that would affect the students, and I’m sure he had his reasons, like maybe family tensions at home because he’s been at Troy after school instead of picking up his kids, or even his grandkids.

        For all of you criticizing and attacking these teachers, they are people, too, with families to support. Put yourself in their shoes and see how well you can do their job when you’re grading and planning every night, at school before the sun rises and after the sun sets every day, answer students’ questions while munching on your lunch, and going home to repeat this lis of things Troy teachers do while maintaining regular parent and family duties of serving meals, packing lunches, giving children rides, checking their hw, loving their spouse enough, etc. etc.

        Please, dare to imply Troy teachers are lazy one more time.

        • #26 by Fullerton on January 7, 2016 - 7:34 pm

          Troy teachers are lazy AND arrogant. I went there too. Don’t try to tell me I’m uninformed.

  6. #27 by Jim Crum on January 6, 2016 - 6:44 pm

    Teachers unions not interested in students?

    Witness my shocked face…

    I agree with FDR – public sector unions are wrong.

    • #28 by Fullerton Lover on February 10, 2016 - 12:03 pm

      Note that there is nothing in Andy Montoya’s biography when he ran for the FJUSD to suggest that he is part of the Teacher’s union as the ” Orange Service Representative At Large”?…

      http://www.smartvoter.org/2012/11/06/ca/or/vote/montoya_a/bio.html

      Executive Board:

      President: Mary Wild
      Vice President: John Marvin
      Secretary: Kath Beecher
      Treasurer: Karen Hall
      Communication: Karen Rapien
      Elections: Linda Grunnet

      State Council Representatives:
      Chuck Ritz, Darlene Naslund, Karen Rapien, Mimi Gaudette

      NOCUT Representatives:
      Mary Wild, John Marvin, Chuck Ritz, Debbie Martinez

      Bargaining Team:
      Charles Ritz (Chair), Mayra Deister, Mary Wild, John Bowen, Allen Stubblefield

      MEBA Representatives:
      Karen Hall, Allen Stubblefield, Steve Balentine

      Human Rights Contact:
      Bellerieve Dean, Nolina Beauchamp

      Women’s Issues:
      Linda Grunnet

      Fullerton Secondary Teachers Organization Leadership
      Site Representatives:

      Buena Park: Barbara Crampton – 714-992-8784
      Fullerton: Jeff Oliva – 714-626-3903
      La Habra: Chuck Ritz – 562-266-5035
      La Sierra: Kristina Dean – 714-278-0910
      La Vista: Aaron Eide – 714-447-5541
      Sonora: Kath Beecher – 562-266-2110
      Sunny Hills: Myra Deister – 714-626-4345
      Troy: Jerry Benner – 714-626-4436

      Catostrophioc Leave Bank:
      Myra Deister, Janet Schaad, Robin Oliver

      Project Pride:
      John Marvin, Chuck Ritz, Mary Wild

      Orange Service Center Rep at Large:
      Andy Montoya

  7. #29 by Anonymous on January 6, 2016 - 7:56 pm

    Here’s an idea for you “experts” at teaching.

    Go piss up a rope. We don’t go to your strip clubs and tell you how to do your job.

  8. #30 by Anonymous on January 6, 2016 - 8:41 pm

    Read the contract on the FSTO website – it is so vague as to what is required of the teachers to fulfill their duties and arguably they are in breach of their contract by refusing to make themselves available outside of the classroom hours.

  9. #31 by Anon on January 6, 2016 - 8:56 pm

    Maybe they need to read their contract more closely – they may be violating it:

    “1 ARTICLE IV: HOURS OF EMPLOYMENT

    Work Week

    The work week for all full-time employees shall be not fewer than forty (40) hours, rendered in school-based and home-based services per week. Employees may leave campus at the end of the regular student day if there are no student, parent, or administrative appointments.

    All employees will have as part of their normal duty day a thirty (30) minute duty-free lunch.

    In addition to the weekly service requirement described above, an employee shall be responsible, under the direction of his/her immediate administrator, for duties normally associated with the education profession, including but not limited to: parent conferences, faculty and department meetings, open houses, back-to-school nights, 8th grade parent nights, emergency substitute teaching duties and other professional obligations that may require the employee to be available outside the school day. Recognizing that the educational process is enhanced by cooperation between parents and school staffs, teachers and other employees shall encourage individual contacts with parents and students by being available to them-with reasonable notice-before and after the regular school day.”

    • #32 by Joe Imbriano on January 6, 2016 - 10:59 pm

      They are clearly violating it and that is why the teachers that are participating in this lockout should be fired. Let’s see if the Troy PTSA will take a position on this issue.

      The Troy High School Facebook page took down the post and blocked me.

  10. #33 by Leslie on January 6, 2016 - 9:44 pm

    This is nonsense. CalSTRS is not in trouble and never has been. If you think teachers’ pensions are too high, keep in mind that as soon as a CalSTRS retiree starts collecting his/her pension, his/her social security is reduced by half.

    • #34 by Anonymous on January 6, 2016 - 11:08 pm

      Leslie you are misinformed. The unfunded liabilities are clearly not sustainable. That is well documented. This type of egregiousness and greed will only further increase the future tax burden of all of us along with the students who will be saddled with enormous student loan debt in a job market that is going nowhere but south from here on out. Open your eyes.

    • #35 by Get the facts on January 7, 2016 - 8:47 am

      Leslie, Your statement flys in the face of the numbers and reality. Go check it out and see.

      The teachers’ union is trying to pick the last pieces of meat from the California carcass.

  11. #36 by Bill on January 7, 2016 - 6:25 am

    Author – why are you just “concerned Troy parent’ If you are going to sling mud at Mr Bainter and put all his information up for all to see, show your face. Don’t be a wuss and hide behind a veil!
    I think the point is that Troy teachers put many many hours of extra time into their job, and it shows . The teachers haven’t gotten a raise in over 7 years, I believe, while all surrounding school districts have. The superintendent knows there is a surplus of money in the district budget, but refuses to give the teachers the raise they deserve. THAT is the issue here. I’m sure students are always welcome to ask questions during class to get help and not ALL OF THE TEACHERS (check your facts ‘concerned parent’) are closing their doors to students. Don’t throw a blanket statement over the whole staff. My child’s syllabus said nothing about changes and its a math class . Anyways- just my opinion 🙂 Have a great day everyone!

    • #37 by Joe Imbriano on January 7, 2016 - 9:49 am

      Bill, why defend this behavior? Why punish the students? Why did these teachers turn into a pumpkin after the break? I know people that have families, degrees, talent, integrity and no job and no retirement and I don’t see them interfering with the learning process by POLITICALLY MANEUVERING THE STUDENTS AND USING INSTRUCTIONAL TIME TO AIR THIS PROPAGANDA. These are low life tactics that only lowlifes would engage in. These teachers are not underpaid by a long shot. If they don’t like it, then they can take it off campus or go get a job in the private sector where they will be paid for what they are really worth which is much less than they are getting paid right now. Do you know what percentage of their retirement the taxpayers pay for? It is ridiculous. Do you know how much they pay for the medical and benefits? Squat compared to the real world pal. It is not sustainable period.

      I have sat in at these board meetings for years and the long term projections for the district are a disaster. The money is not there. Why do you think they had to ram a second bond through in less than 8 years to soak us all for what we have been paying for with our taxes all along. They haven’t put jack into these facilities for decades. They are dilapidated. They have been putting all the dough into their retirement plans and their pockets and they use the PTA’s to play the fiddle to rob everyone one more time to fill the gaps created by the greed of these people. Today, the schools exist for the benefit of the staff period. Why don’t we have things like free extracurricular programs, free field trips, free sports programs, reasonable class sizes, proper ventilation, full spectrum lighting, and water filtration on the drinking fountains? It is because of the staff’s selfish greed plain and simple. The students are the last things these teachers and staff care about. Trust me. I have yet to see one Troy teacher publicly decry this or any other issue that adversely impacts the student body like forced wireless, common core, campus safety, facility conditions, or staff that need be fired if any of it contradicts their own financial interests or employment. Teacher pay and job security come first to these people. If it didn’t, none of this would EVER BE HAPPENING.

      I won’t even get into what is being done to the students by the grade delfation or grade rippoffs.

    • #38 by To Bill on January 7, 2016 - 10:49 am

      Apparently, Mr. Bainter put himself out there on this matter by putting his “unavailability” in writing and sending a form home with his students, asking for signatures in acknowledgement of this. You are labeling the fact that he did this as “slinging mud?” It is the truth.

      Signs are up on the classrooms that are limiting student access to teachers. I don’t know if it is all of the teachers; however, signs (PLURAL) are up.

      Troy teachers that do no agree with closing their doors to students, not providing letters for colleges and scholarship money, should be standing in opposition to taking this out on the kids. WHERE ARE THEY????

  12. #39 by anon on January 7, 2016 - 9:39 am

    You wanted to attend Troy because you thought it special.

  13. #40 by Cindy on January 7, 2016 - 1:45 pm

    Troy is special. The teachers are more than willing to work their contracted hours. No problem there. How many of you are willing to work overtime for free? You want the teachers to work before school, after school, their lunch time, weekends? Then I suggest you pay them for it. Plain and simple.

    • #41 by Dear Cindy Dunn on January 7, 2016 - 3:31 pm

      Those that are non public sector employees know very well what is required to keep and maintain employment.
      You stay until the job is completed, regardless of the hours you are paid. If that means into the wee hours of the morning, then that is what you do. Plain and simple.

      You are very entitled, so much so that you are unable to acknowledge the real world around you. All you understand is the “I want more”. How sad.

      Nothing much can be expected of teachers. I guess they have come to the conclusion that closing their door to the students is justified in order to get what they want. The students will pay the price; the ends justifies their means.

      Plain and simple.

  14. #42 by meet the asst principal at Murrietta elementary Cindy Dunn on January 7, 2016 - 2:02 pm

    Spoken like a true government employee Cindy Dunn

    -This guy is contracted for 180 days a year and 6.2 hours a day. Damn the torpedoes you assistant principal youCindy Dunn-

    “Why would you expect teachers toward outside of their class time? How many of you work overtime for free? College recommends take hours and hours of time. Again, for free? I’m sick of people blaming the teachers for wanting compensation for what they do outside the work day. Get over it. Read below. They have not “shut their doors to students”, they are just not going to give their own time away for free. They will gladly work during class and instruct then. Troy teachers are now:
    Unavailable for help before or after school

    Unavailable for tutoring before or after school

    Unavailable to write letters of recommendation for colleges or scholarships

    Unavailable for AP testing review before or after class time

    Teachers have decided that they will no longer be available to help the student outside of their contracted work hours.”
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/100629050077313/permalink/684000478406831/?comment_id=684325895040956&notif_t=group_comment

    Maybe they need to read their contract more closely – they may be violating it:

    “1 ARTICLE IV: HOURS OF EMPLOYMENT

    Work Week

    The work week for all full-time employees shall be not fewer than forty (40) hours, rendered in school-based and home-based services per week. Employees may leave campus at the end of the regular student day if there are no student, parent, or administrative appointments.

    All employees will have as part of their normal duty day a thirty (30) minute duty-free lunch.

    In addition to the weekly service requirement described above, an employee shall be responsible, under the direction of his/her immediate administrator, for duties normally associated with the education profession, including but not limited to: parent conferences, faculty and department meetings, open houses, back-to-school nights, 8th grade parent nights, emergency substitute teaching duties and other professional obligations that may require the employee to be available outside the school day. Recognizing that the educational process is enhanced by cooperation between parents and school staffs, teachers and other employees shall encourage individual contacts with parents and students by being available to them-with reasonable notice-before and after the regular school day.”

  15. #44 by Question for Cindy Dunn on January 7, 2016 - 4:11 pm

    Are you an irradiator of children?

    Science demonstrates the microwave radiation to be a “Group 1” carcinogen + it is in violation of the CA St Ed Code. That is just the beginning . . .

    You okay with that, Cindy????? The kids don’t know or understand the damage that is being done to them with the radiation emissions, they are innocents.

    I guess you get paid enough to enforce irradiation of children all day at school. Don’t have a problem with that, do you?

  16. #45 by Anon on January 7, 2016 - 5:28 pm

    In answer to the various comments about teachers not being paid for what they are doing in their “free time” please keep this in mind: The majority of professionals work long hours beyond a normal 8 hour work day. True professionals don’t get over time. They receive a salary and they do what it takes to get the job done: working early, late, weekends and holidays. They also do professional development on their own time and at their own expense to further their careers. And most of them do not have the luxury of doing that professional development during their Summer, Fall, Winter or Spring breaks because they don’t have breaks – most work all 52 weeks of the year. Most don’t have job security, but rather are at will employees who can be fired for no reason at all. Most do not have pensions, but rather they have to save every dime for their retirement. And many can be personally sued if they make a mistake on the job, possibly losing everything they have worked hard for over the years. I don’t take issue with you asserting that teachers work hard – most do. But you can’t have the best of both worlds – if you want to clock in and clock out and get overtime you are NOT a professional so don’t call yourself one. If you want to hold yourself out as a professional stop whining about being underpaid and have the system overhauled. The lock step pay scale that the union sets up for you necessarily is there to compensate the lowest performer and thereby will underpay the over-performer. I can understand your frustration if you think you are busting your butt while the guy down the hall just phones it in and you both make the same pay due to the pay scale rates, but you can’t expect to raise the scale to properly compensate the over-performers since that would grossly overpay the under-performers. What is so wrong with a system that combines education, years in service, and merit based compensation??? It would reward the deserving and pay the minimum to the just-get-by guys. THAT is what the teachers should be looking to do. But whatever the teachers want to fight for, leave the kids out of it – they don’t write the checks and dragging them into it only is making the parents back away from supporting the teachers.

  17. #46 by Anonymous on January 7, 2016 - 6:14 pm

    Mr Bainter does not NET 136K a year. He’s been in the low 90K for 8 years now. There is a health package, but teachers will be souly paying for it soon.

    • #47 by Fullerton on January 7, 2016 - 7:37 pm

      That’s bullshit, they got a raise a few years ago.

  18. #48 by Anonymous on January 7, 2016 - 6:17 pm

    No raise. No COLA. NOTHING for eight years.
    It’s time for something, but not at the students expense.

    • #49 by Anonymous on January 8, 2016 - 1:43 pm

      Mr. Bainter and his crybaby ninny comrades have nothing to bitch about because in the last 8 years 10 million people lost their jobs. 80 million people lost between 50% and 80% of their retirements in their defined contribution plans. In the last 8 years 100 million people either lost their health care coverage, had to file bankruptcy or face steep increases in their out of pocket costs.

      Tell me how many of these primadonna Troy teachers were subjected to any of this?

      I though so. Fuck them all with all the rest of these overpaid, greedy, selfish, lazy, arrogant, self deluded, self absorbed, robotic, egotistical, sycophantic jackasses.

      Now they are just too fucking underpaid to help these poor kids learn a bunch of useless shit that they will never ever use in their entire life?

      Maybe we otta swap them out for some real world people with some real world experience. Maybe then, and only then will we end up with a generation of children that can solve our problems instead of these poor kids with their heads so full of bullshit that they couldn’t change a tire in the rain if their lives depended on it.

      I have owned a business and made payroll for the last 27 years and I have watched the world turn upside down while these nimrods mindlessly pull out the same slides on the overheads year after year while bitching about how broke they are. They need to shut the fuck up, go back to work or pack their shit.

      • #50 by Anonymous on January 8, 2016 - 2:21 pm

        oh, but they can program . . . .

        • #51 by Anon on January 8, 2016 - 3:33 pm

          Don’t knock programers comment #47 Anonymous. Much like composing music, not everyone can become a programmer. Don’t be jellie because Troy has today’s Mozarts, Beethovens, and Tchaikovskys under their roofs. There’s still places for people to get jobs “pissing up ropes” as #26 so eloquently put it.

          • #52 by Alexander Graham Bong. on January 8, 2016 - 3:53 pm

            So can all the H1B visa holders that the teachers union’s candidates support flooding the deck with. You know the ones that work for 26 grand a year that all the big companies are hiring instead of US college grads who think they are worth twice that much? When you knowitalls get out of college with a mortgage on your tuition debt, you can move back in with mommy and work at Walmart while you ring up their purchases.

            • #53 by Anonymous on January 8, 2016 - 4:08 pm

              Very true. Many will find out the hard way that the policies of the liberal CTA will have a devastating impact on these students’ elusive future. Based on some of the comments from the students on the facebook feeds and here, they really got it coming.

              Only a complete moron can believe this is sustainable. It is elementary mathematics. These billions in unfunded liabilities hidden in the derivative pools just need a good market crash and it will all go poof.

              • #54 by Yep H1B visas on January 8, 2016 - 5:19 pm

                “On New Year’s Eve, the Obama Administration published a massive, 181-page proposed rule to the Federal Register that would allow the Department of Homeland Security to grant work permits to skilled foreign workers well-above the limits established by Congress.

                The most offensive provision would allow foreign workers in the country on the H-1B nonimmigrant guest worker visa to receive a three-year work permit until they become eligible for the limited number of employment-based green cards.

                HERE’S HOW IT WOULD HAPPEN

                High-skilled foreign workers are sponsored by U.S. employers for the three-year temporary H-1B work visa. (We’ve documented on numerous occasions the devastating effects that current, abusive H-1B practices have on skilled American workers and their wages.) These foreign workers can renew their H-1B visas once for a total of six years, but they must leave the country after the six-year period unless their employer applies for and receives a permanent employment-based green card on their behalf.

                The rule attempts to appease the tech companies that want the annual caps raised and per-country limits eliminated. For example, the EB-2 green card, which is reserved for foreign workers with “advanced degrees” is capped at around 40,000 per year. But only 7% can be issued to workers from one country, so many times a foreign worker from India or China must leave the country at the end of the six-year period because the feds have already reached the limit for the year in that particular category or to citizens of that particular country.

                Pres. Obama’s proposed rule would allow those foreign workers who have not received their EB-1, EB-2, or EB-3 visas (even though an application has been filed on their behalf) to receive a three-year work permit until a green card becomes available. None of these new work permits would count against any of the existing caps for nonimmigrant visas or green cards established by Congress.

                Over the years, employers have been more selective when choosing which H-1B workers for whom they submit employment-based green card applications for. But should this new rule be implemented, employers can apply for green cards on behalf of all their foreign workers knowing they’ll receive work permits even if the caps have been reached.

                Even with its cap restrictions, employers prefer H-1B workers over American workers because they can pay them less and the workers can’t switch jobs, which is why they’ve been pressuring Congress for years to increase the caps. This proposed rule accomplishes the same by lifting the six-year limit and exempting them from the H-1B caps.”

                • #55 by Anon on January 8, 2016 - 10:22 pm

                  Better not tell the Troy programmers this.

            • #56 by Anon on January 8, 2016 - 5:20 pm

              #49 The magnet portion of Troy is open to everyone who passes the entrance exam as long as spots are available. Some people actually choose to attend Troy because of the diversity and the general culture of educational excellence. Not everyone shares small minded opinions. Some people can actually appreciate the value added.

              • #57 by Ludwig Von Mises on January 9, 2016 - 8:35 am

                I guess you won’t mind competing for increasingly lower wage rates for tech jobs with foreign workers.

          • #58 by Not Mozarts on January 8, 2016 - 5:22 pm

            So, you are equating Troy High School programmers to great classical composers?
            Really?

            • #59 by Anon on January 8, 2016 - 5:52 pm

              #53 Google the similarities between writing music and programming.

            • #60 by Anon on January 8, 2016 - 6:15 pm

              And yes #53, there’s bound to be at least one in the bunch.

              • #61 by Not Mozarts on January 8, 2016 - 9:30 pm

                Perhaps, there is a creative genius in the bunch on a par with the great composers. Likely not, and “at least one in the bunch” is extremely remote, at best.

                And, no, #55 there’s NOT bound to be one.
                #53, because they are similar does not make them the same or even near same.

                It’s amazing that you Troy programmers put yourselves on the same level as the great composers. What egos and inflated sense of self. That is very unhealthy.

                • #62 by Anon on January 9, 2016 - 11:41 am

                  One in the bunch extremely remote?? You obviously are completely clueless (underlined) on exactly what type of child is being vetted into the magnet program. You aren’t replying to a student, a teacher or someone who works for the school/district by the way. You ARE replying to someone who has been completely frustrated and for twenty plus years would be on your team as far as the education system goes UNTIL experiencing Troy, Troy’s students and Troy’s teachers.
                  Troy’s teachers ARE a cut above. They deserve nothing but respect and support. Troy’s students are not only extremely hard working but intellectually capable of achieving great things. The commenters who flippantly state, “but they can program” “they can’t think critically” etc have no idea these students consistently test out as the top percentage of students nationally and internationally on tests far above their grade level on material they have never been exposed to. That takes reasoning and logic far above what is typical at their ages. It takes exceptional teachers who will be working pretty hard to keep these kids on their toes and Troy’s teachers are doing exactly that. If you want to attack a system go elsewhere to do it. This isn’t the school you are looking for.

                  • #63 by Fullerton on January 10, 2016 - 2:28 am

                    Complete and utter bullshit.

                  • #64 by anonymous on January 10, 2016 - 7:18 am

                    The products of Troy, whether it be the newspaper or what the students are communicating in writing, here, are not indicative of individuals that can critically think.

                    Look through some of the posts; they contain a surplus of ego and very little contemplative thought.

                    You are overly defensive of teachers that have stuck with their union interests above those of the students.

                    I feel sorry for you; you are young and, yet, so loyal to something that has contributed to your blindness.

        • #65 by Anon on January 9, 2016 - 12:13 pm

          Programming isn’t all these kids can do. Programming is what they do for fun.

          • #66 by anonymous on January 9, 2016 - 9:19 pm

            I’m glad to hear that.

      • #67 by Joe Imbriano on January 8, 2016 - 8:28 pm

        Spot on minus the profanity.

  19. #68 by Anonymous on January 8, 2016 - 4:11 pm

    I bet none of these people have ever taught in a classroom let alone seen what a teacher actually does all day…Including the weekends, holidays, and breaks. There is no such thing as true “time off” for a teacher.

  20. #69 by Anon on January 8, 2016 - 4:17 pm

    I bet none of these people have actually ever been in a classroom and onserved what a teacher does during the day. There are no true breaks for teachers including lunch, weekends, holidays, and summer.

    • #70 by Fullerton Lover on January 8, 2016 - 10:09 pm

      I bet I’ve had four children attend high school here in Fullerton, and I’ve dropped them off their every day.
      I can assure you that by 4pm, you could roll a bowling ball down the faculty parking lot, and wouldn’t hit a thing.

      • #71 by Anonymous on January 10, 2016 - 12:08 pm

        I’ve taught at Troy, how about getting there at 5am in the morning when the parking lot is full and teachers have their doors open for students? The campus is still chalked full of teachers much past 4pm too. I don’t know too may jobs that people stay 10+ hours working everyday even though they aren’t required to.

        • #72 by Anon on January 18, 2016 - 8:35 am

          Why do you say they are not required to work the hours they do? The contract requires a MINIMUM of 40 hours a week plus whatever is necessary to carry out their duties as educators. That very well may require 10 plus hours a day…just saying that I don’t think it is right to think about this as a 40 hour a week job and they are putting in extra time “for free”.

  21. #73 by Anonymous on January 8, 2016 - 5:16 pm

    I bet none of these people bemoaning the hard work of the teachers have any understanding of what working in the private sector is like.

    Make that comparison.

    • #74 by Anonymous on January 10, 2016 - 12:15 pm

      I’ve both worked in the private sector and taught and I can telling you working for a company is much easier and pays much more. Teachers do it because they are passionate about disseminating knowledge and helping others.

      • #75 by anonymous on January 10, 2016 - 6:35 pm

        Apparently, their passion is now solely tied to their paycheck and not “disseminating knowledge and helping others.”

  22. #76 by Anonymous on January 8, 2016 - 5:56 pm

    Anonymous :
    Very true. Many will find out the hard way that the policies of the liberal CTA will have a devastating impact on these students’ elusive future. Based on some of the comments from the students on the facebook feeds and here, they really got it coming.
    Only a complete moron can believe this is sustainable. It is elementary mathematics. These billions in unfunded liabilities hidden in the derivative pools just need a good market crash and it will all go poof.

    Can you Troy Mozarts and programmers add? Do you know what a derivative is? Do you know what happens in a market crash to these pension funds? Do you know what happens to employment and the economy when taxes go through the roof to bail out pension funds? What did this teacher teach you kids? Can you say Greece, Argentina, or even Weimar Germany? I am curious what Mr. Bainter talks about for his $122 an hour.

    “Using the State accounting system for pensions, CalSTRS, the teacher retirement plan, had a $8.9 billion increase in liability, bringing it to an admitted unsustainable $67.3 billion. Using Federal pension accounting systems, the real unfunded liability is over $170 billion—and growing. At some point the taxpayers will be forced, by law, to bail out another government failure.”

    Teachers want more, but are totally divorced from the fiscal reality.

    Teachers want more and will totally turn their backs on the students in order to have their ‘unsustainable’ demands met. Looks like Troy teachers are doing just that.

    • #77 by Anon on January 8, 2016 - 6:08 pm

      Please leave the Troy teachers out of your vendetta. They happen to be worth what they ask for.

      • #78 by Joe Imbriano on January 8, 2016 - 8:24 pm

        The Troy teachers need to leave the students out of their political machinations and agendas. Everyone is out of line on this one. It is the talk of the campus just how these poor teachers haven’t had a raise and the signs all over are a form of psychological warfare being waged on the student body. The behavior is pathetic.

    • #79 by Vince on January 8, 2016 - 6:15 pm

      These teachers and their students are tragically, totally self absorbed and clueless. Such an indictment of a failed system.

      • #80 by Anon on January 29, 2016 - 2:51 pm

        Teachers should be allowed a duty free lunch. We shouldn’t have to entertain students on our lunch or outside of our contractual hours.

  23. #81 by Anon on January 9, 2016 - 1:28 pm

    I don’t know if what the teachers are seeking is reasonable or not – does anyone ever really feel they are paid what they are worth in any job? Probably not. But can the Board take action against the teachers doing this for breach of contract? Does a teacher ever get fired? The best thing that could happen would be for Troy to have a precipitous drop in enrollment next year and have some people lose their teaching positions as a result. Picking on the kids is only bringing out the mamma bear/papa bear in the parents. It is not going to work to get support for the teachers.

  24. #82 by Anon on January 9, 2016 - 8:31 pm

    I heard the Troy teachers won’t be showing up for the Open House this coming week…is that true??

    • #83 by Joe Imbriano on January 10, 2016 - 7:17 pm

      If that is the case then they should be permanently locked out of the classrooms and replaced by people that would be happy to take their places.

      • #84 by ND on February 1, 2016 - 6:43 am

        I agree. I am tired of all this complaining. My husband works two jobs just to make ends meet and he rarely gets to see our children. I am furious at just how greedy and selfish these people are.

        • #85 by Anonymous on February 1, 2016 - 11:17 am

          What jobs does your husband do that pay so little?

          • #86 by Fullerton Lover on February 1, 2016 - 8:55 pm

            THAT is the same type of contempt that I’ve been receiving for years and years in Fullerton, by those that USED to be known as public servants, instead of the insolent children that they’ve become who hold their parents in contempt,and are openly hostile to the hands that feed them.

            Unfreakingbelievable how these servants believe that they are now our masters!

          • #87 by Joe Imbriano on February 1, 2016 - 9:19 pm

            The jobs that pay the taxes that pay the salaries of the teachers.

  25. #88 by These teachers have the courage on January 11, 2016 - 10:14 am

    . . . to stand up to the union. They are doing the right thing.

    http://www.capoliticalreview.com/top-stories/the-case-that-could-end-forced-union-dues/?utm_source=CAPoliticalReview.com&utm_campaign=1195951c88-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_b855a22bd3-1195951c88-302732621

    What about the Troy teachers? It doesn’t take a lot of courage to shut the students out, deny them college & scholarship recommendations so that they can get more money.

    Are there any Troy teachers that will speak up?

    • #89 by Troy on January 11, 2016 - 7:43 pm

      Troy teachers are in it for the wrong reasons and they have the students drinking the Kool Aid. What a bunch of low lifes. Leave the kids out of it. This crap is only hurting the ones that they have manipulated into blindly supporting them which is disgusting.

  26. #90 by Jobs for Troy grads? on January 12, 2016 - 11:28 am

    Wake up Troy grads, especially the tech students who will be competing with the many foreign nationals, Asian & Middle Eastern, for U.S. jobs.

    “Every month, U.S.-born workers are squeezed out of the workplace. The most recent jobs data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics only reinforces this trend. The U.S. currently brings in more than 125,000 new foreign workers each month — that’s more than 1.5 million each year. How can U.S.-born workers hope to compete when many of the newly-created jobs go to foreign-born workers?”

  27. #91 by LMS on January 13, 2016 - 6:07 pm

    I student taught under Suzanne Boxdorfer, English teacher at Sunny Hills High School, in the same district. Amidst all of this unhealthy banter, please allow me to woefully inadequately attempt to paint a picture of this lady.

    While I was at Sunny Hills, she was contacted by a former student’s university about an emergency, life-threatening situation–the student had listed Ms. Boxdorfer, her high school English teacher, as her emergency contact. This student believed Ms. Boxdorfer cared for her more than her parents. Ms. Boxdorfer flew out of state–on her own money and time–to be with this girl in need. Suzanne buys books for kids, regularly goes to their games and events–even ones not school related. She has looked for missing students in the ditches and railroad tracks of Fullerton. She buys food, ensures college enrollment for at-risk kids, and has given driving lessons to more than one homeless or foster student lacking parents to do so. Her classroom standards are exceptionally high; in this world of lax principles and low expectations, she does not ever take late work, kids do not disrespect her or each other, and no one ever wears a hat inside. Academically, her students are among the best prepared in the school; all leave her classes know how to write very well. Kids rarely fall behind in her classes as she will not allow it. For those struggling, she has gone to their homes. She has met them at the library. She has returned at 8pm or Saturday morning to accommodate students’ schedules. She succeeds with the most at-risk and the highest achieving.

    Few know these things as she is humble and quiet about it; I know because I had the joy of shadowing her for ten months. Her former students are editors of national magazines and leaders in Washington, D.C. Some flip burgers. But ALL will tell you she is the best teacher and likely the best person they ever have met. And that she deserves ten times what any salary might be. Visit her. Speak to her students. Be amazed.

    • #92 by Anon on January 13, 2016 - 8:22 pm

      Ms. Boxdorfer sounds like a wonderful and dedicated teacher. She seems like a selfless individual, one that every parent would want for their child’s teacher.

      I wonder what her thoughts would be about closing the doors to students because the teachers have not gotten a raise. I wonder what her thoughts would be about the unsustainable fiscal condition of the district.

  28. #93 by Anonymous on January 13, 2016 - 8:39 pm

    I’m sorry , however I really have a hard time with someone making over $500 a day to teach English?

    http://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/2013/school-districts/orange/fullerton-joint-union-high/suzanne-e-boxdorfer/

    • #94 by Anonymous on January 18, 2016 - 9:25 am

      How much do you make a day, and how useless is your profession?

      • #95 by Joe Imbriano on January 18, 2016 - 9:54 am

        How dangerous is forcing the lies of evolution, the false religion of science, common core, communism, moral relativism, vaccines and the sterilizing wireless exposure? That is what they are all involved in for their paltry salary. Why won’t they speak up to protect the children? Just about everything these teachers inculcate into these children is a flat out lie.

        The question is not how useless a non government employee’s job is but rather how dangerous is a government minion’s job to the public. I would argue that the teaching profession is now dead. They have become facilitators with all the technology and have now become a huge liability to society.

        Teachers are major threat to everyone’s financial future due to the unsustainable compensation and retirement obligations that they continue to demand.

        Teachers are major threat to the moral fabric of our society by actively going along with the secular humanist education system’s goal of removing God and morality from children’s lives.

        Teachers are major threat to the nations political future by aiding and abetting the evisceration of the vestiges of our Nations roots and heritage through the liberal revisionist curriculum being rammed down our children’s throats.

        Teachers are major threat to every child’s reproductive health with their complicity and tacit approval of the wireless technology programs that are designed to sterilize the children and rob them of their posterity.

        Teachers are major threat to everyone’s critical thinking skills with their walking lockstep with all the agendas as they relate to the political, moral, reproductive, socio economic, and scientific fraud that they are promoting as gospel truth through forced repetition on a massive basis.

        You will know a tree by its fruit. Look around at the students, look around at the teachers. Where are they when it comes to speaking out against any of this?

        The teachers are hostages to their paltry paychecks and the students are hostages to the grades that will prove meaningless very shortly.

        There are only a few things that really matter in this life. One is where you go when you die, another is how long before you do, and finally who and what you leave behind. With the wireless, vaccine, and evolution agendas in the schools, I read that three strikes for the unsuspecting children who are ostensibly there to learn but that is the furthest thing from the truth.

        Teachers are now dangerous to the pyco

        • #96 by Anonymous on January 18, 2016 - 10:00 am

          So how much do you make a day to make word salad?

          • #97 by Anon on January 19, 2016 - 7:57 am

            you are tired

            • #98 by Anonymous on January 19, 2016 - 8:54 am

              Aww, want to read me bed-time stories until I fall asleep?

        • #99 by Integrity on January 18, 2016 - 8:53 pm

          Any teacher with any integrity and love for their profession would leave their teaching job if they were to look honestly at the harm they are doing to students.

      • #100 by Anonymous on January 18, 2016 - 10:23 am

        I can tell you that my profession doesn’t EVER involve molesting innocent children that I’m paid by their parents to teach, and then expect my union to work overtime to keep it from the same parents who paid my salary…

        http://www.ocregister.com/articles/school-700135-diebolt-acts.html

        http://www.ocregister.com/articles/school-642085-fullerton-teacher.html

        http://www.ocweekly.com/news/melissa-nicole-lindgren-fullerton-junior-high-teacher-allegedly-molested-and-sexted-3-boys-6475381

        • #101 by Statutory rape. on January 19, 2016 - 11:45 am

          Depravity as exhibited against children — right in our own backyard.

        • #102 by Anonymous on January 19, 2016 - 4:14 pm

          Huh. So all teachers are molesters? I’m just trying to follow your logic.

          • #103 by Anonymous on January 20, 2016 - 9:40 am

            Logic?

            That wouldn’t be fighting fire with fire would it?

            Perhaps you can unravel Tell me the logic about $100,000 a year Teachers, both physically and metaphorically turning their backs on the unsuspecting children, who are at one of life’s most critical junctures by the way, in order to demand higher wages?

            What’s logical about that?

            • #104 by Anonymous on January 21, 2016 - 9:27 am

              “Logic?

              That wouldn’t be fighting fire with fire would it?”

              Indeed.

            • #105 by Anonymous on January 21, 2016 - 10:15 am

              What do you think is the appropriate compensation for a teacher?

              • #106 by Anonymous on January 22, 2016 - 12:12 am

                If they can produce results in the students they teach, I’d say $60 K per year.

                The real problem with that is our schools our loaded with Teachers I’ve watched over the years that their heart isn’t in it and they mail it in.
                Unfortunately, they’re also usually the union stewards of their schools, which makes it literally impossible to get rid of them despite up to 50 % of the kids failing their classes.

                And let’s not forget the long stare and awkward silence us parents receive from the Teachers when we ask them why our kids grades haven’t been updated online in over a month?

                And if you really want a good laugh, ask one of the Administrators t the schools to hold one of their Teachers accountable for updating the students grades, and then watch them tell you straight faced that the Teachers union won’t allow them to do that.

              • #107 by Anonymous on January 22, 2016 - 8:46 am

                Whatever that compensation number is, it must be sustainable.

                NONE of it is sustainable and we are dug in deep.

          • #108 by Anonymous on January 20, 2016 - 11:33 am

            Sorry the 1st link was only attempted murder. My bad. The charge was actually increased to murder after the Phys. Ed Teacher’s lover died from her gunshot wounds.

            http://articles.latimes.com/1994-06-18/local/me-5478_1_attempted-murder-charge

          • #109 by Anonymous on January 20, 2016 - 1:17 pm

          • #110 by Anonymous on January 20, 2016 - 2:08 pm

            Really? Just trying to follow logic or take the discussion in an entirely different direction?

            Where does it say that all teachers are molesters?

            by-the-way, IT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE TO HAVE ANY TEACHERS MOLESTING STUDENTS.

  29. #111 by Anon on January 22, 2016 - 1:11 pm

    I am a parent, not a teacher. Throughout 20 + years I’ve been thoroughly frustrated at times (more times then I can count) with the education system. I’ve had many sleepless nights, I’ve sat down at the round tables, I’ve researched, I’ve argued the facts, I’ve hit brick walls all the way to the very top. Looking back… the walls pretty much have always been about funds. My personal experience ultimately boils down to funds for the students. Through all that pain I’ve also come to be able to realize and appreciate when the system is actually working for the students. I’ve seen (what I experienced as) the worst and I’ve seen what I can only consider the best offered to us. In my opinion, and a lot of other parents’ opinions, Troy fits in the best category. From the district level, to the administrators to the teachers we have had a positive experience. Thus far. We are stronger working together than working against each other. An effective teacher with a love of learning and a love for his/her students is priceless. Also, an effective teacher with a masters or above needs to be fairly compensated in order to keep them in the classroom teaching our nation’s future. I’m sure in this great nation of ours we can figure out how to rearrange some funds in order to secure our top teachers. It may or may not be allocated or “sustainable” in the overall funds provided to the schools/districts as of right now, but maybe we can find a way figure this out at a higher level. We do need to make sure our top teachers earn a fair and competitive compensation. What we don’t need to do is start to work against each other because ultimately all we will accomplish is hurting the students and our nation’s ability to compete.

    • #112 by Anonymous on January 22, 2016 - 8:40 pm

      We are many miles from being “a great nation” and the education system is nothing but a public private partnership under the Common Core.

      It’s great to look at the positive side of things and be grateful for them but not when eyes are totally closed to reality. Our nation’s youth will be prepared to enter Community, not a four year College by the time Common Core is fully implemented. Already, our college graduates are competing with Asia and Middle Eastern nationals for U.S. jobs. Same thing with seats at U.S. colleges and since the colleges get so much more tuition from foreigners, the U.S. kids will be squeezed out.

  30. #113 by Teen suicide on February 2, 2016 - 9:02 pm

    “Student Loans Hit Record $1.08 Trillion; Delinquent Student Debt Rises To All Time High

    *****

    Chinese students boost US universities to all-time high in foreigner attendance driving up college costs

    This is the globalization plan for American universities to increase foreign student body because they can afford to pay higher school tuition’s.

    *****

    Something Is Terribly Wrong

    Increasingly for our young people, the world is not a safe place. In many areas of the country suicide has replaced car accidents as the leading cause of death. There are an estimated 8-25 attempted suicides

    for each suicide death. Therefore, the suicide rate is only a small representation of the hopelessness being experienced by the younger generation. The misery index in this country for our young people is off the charts.

    Since 1968, suicides for people aged 15-24 have risen over 300%

    . This is a global phenomenon as suicide is now the second leading cause of death United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and many countries of Western Europe. Russia, Vietnam and India are experiencing similar increases. What is the number one reason why teens are killing themselves? The straightforward and simple answer is that they have a foreboding sense of hopelessness. Life is bleak and meaningless and all their cell phones, IPADs and X-Box games can not fill the void of emptiness.

    Hopelessness is the number one predictor of suicide.

    Traditionally, when teens grow into adulthood, they begin to learn that they have a measure of control over their life. Through trial-and-error, teens gain knowledge and acquire the tools necessary to solve their problems in the best way that they are able.

    In the past, when we felt hopeless, we pulled through our crises with the resources we had at our disposal and with the support from friends and family. Increasingly, that support has all but eroded. For teenagers, their overwhelming sense of hopelessness is enough to cause them to take their own lives. Most teens who survive suicide attempts say that they tried to kill themselves because they were trying to escape a situation that seemed impossible to deal with, or they were trying to escape overwhelming feelings like rejection, guilt, anger, or sadness in which they lacked any significant degree of control.”

    https://tabublog.com/teenage-news-and-views/

  31. #114 by davis on February 3, 2016 - 4:21 pm

    “how can you put kids first”.. seen on a Troy Teacher picket sign

    Nice.

    there’s a rumor that the new aquatics facilities at Troy and Sunny Hills will be run by the city because of budget.

    • #115 by Anonymous on February 5, 2016 - 11:02 am

      These teachers are overpaid, under worked and need to be fired.

      • #116 by Bot on April 29, 2016 - 10:29 pm

        these teachers are generally NOT overpaid. Troy High school teachers have so much AP IB Honors great clubs and competitions and extracurricular activities to run and help so many students get into good schools. When I was there one of our teacher showed us all the salaries they were making and he’s got the test scores to prove why he deserve it.

  32. #117 by anon on February 11, 2016 - 8:13 am

    So what happened at the Feb 9th meeting???

  33. #118 by Maureen on February 17, 2016 - 8:29 am

    Cowgirl I know! I almost wish we just did it durnig the day, but I guess doing it from 1-9 helps all the working parents. Every slot I had was FILLED. Nothing crazy happened to me, but a woman tried telling my coworker that the way we teach freshmen how to write a paragraph is wrong, and it’s too stifling etc etc. She just wouldn’t stop being rude about it! One other parent (of my coworker’s student) didn’t even talk about her kid…she just cried about her divorce. How sad!

  34. #119 by DR-J on April 14, 2016 - 4:20 pm

    So I guess since I’m a Troy grad and had Mr. Bainter for 1 semester I get to weigh in on this.
    First, according to the Districts 2013-2014 pay schedule, no teacher makes more than 110K per year, no matter their education or years of service. Since there hasn’t been a percentage increase in 8 years, that max pay level has been there for that amount of time.
    Two, having been in Mr. Bainters class and knowing the way he dresses there’s no way he’s netting more than 100K per year! Love ya MR. B!
    Third, Troy teachers aren’t disconnected from reality, they are very much informed. Which is why their students Math Common Core Test scores are 15 percent higher than the next HS in the District (Sunny Hills) in Math and 30-50 percent higher than the rest; La Habra, Sonora, Fullerton and Buena Park. English they are 5 percent above Sunny Hills and 15-30 percent higher than the rest.
    Fourth, 8 years for a pay raise is too long. The max anyone should have to suffer no adjustment to pay for cost of living increases is 5 years.
    Fifth, Troy teachers are advocating with all the teachers in the District for better wages, so it’s not just the teachers who are at Troy that are disgruntled.

    So in response to Joe, who began these posts and included the following, “How dangerous is forcing the lies of evolution, the false religion of science, common core, communism, moral relativism, vaccines and the sterilizing wireless exposure?”

    I respond with: It’s just as dangerous as the lies being told about who makes what in the District to politicize the natural bargaining process of compensating teachers as inflation occurs over a period of years. Drumming up support to slam a teacher who is overworked with extra duties by saying he makes more than he really does, is just a bunch of gainsaying and mudslinging in support of a view that is detrimental to teachers.

    Also, in response to, “There are only a few things that really matter in this life. One is where you go when you die, another is how long before you do, and finally who and what you leave behind.”

    If this is true, then why attack teachers who are instructing the next generation of students when that isn’t one of the things that really matters in this life according to you. Quite literally your original post doesn’t matter according to your own words.

    • #120 by Reality Is... on April 18, 2016 - 3:47 pm

      Perfect response. Joe and Barry won’t like it though and I expect a name calling, general response soon. Your response is similar to my response to them when they bash Fullerton Police and Fire for their recent raises.

      • #121 by Joe Imbriano on April 18, 2016 - 6:55 pm

        Dr j”s response has been here for four days and his input is appreciated as is yours RI. Dr. J missed the entire point of the post and is obviously very enamored with the secular humanist atheistic eugenics model as evidenced by how impressed Dr J is with Common Core test scores while Dr J ignores the cogent points made in the article as they relate to the health and well being of the students, the burden the system places on the taxpayers, and the basic math involved in what is fiscally sustainable. Amazing touting math scores and yet is disconnected from the everyday application of math at the 7th grade level and the first grade commonly held world view’s scientific understanding that money is never found growing on trees.

        • #122 by Anonymous on April 18, 2016 - 8:55 pm

          If anyone understands math and science, it’s obviously you, Joe.

          • #123 by Joe Imbriano on April 18, 2016 - 10:10 pm

            Yes you are correct. It really is basic addition and subtraction. No money no raises. The district’s long term financial outlook is bleak at best. Glad you agree that I understand the math because I do.

            It’s basic science-the 75 thousand miles of circulatory system did not get into your body by some random chain of events. Glad you agree that I understand the science because I do.

      • #124 by Joe Imbriano on April 18, 2016 - 10:11 pm

        RI what do you have to say about the wireless in the schools? You claim to have progeny. What say you? https://thefullertoninformer.com/apple-666-project-inkwell-and-agenda-21-an-expose-with-an-all-star-cast/

      • #125 by Barry Levinson on April 26, 2016 - 11:44 pm

        The below statement I made on January 6, 2016 RI was the only comment I have made about this post.

        “There are many good and devoted teachers in the teaching profession. They are now being forced to teach in whole or at least in part to the new harmful common core dumbing down standards. Isn’t that an oxymoron, the phrase “common core standards”?
        It is clear that normally a teacher’s union contractual demands are primarily about the salaries, benefits and working conditions of its employees, regardless of their potential negative impact on their students with regard to increased class size and/or lack of money for books and supplies, etc. I will never expect that any teachers’ union act in the best interest of their students. However, it would be refreshing and different to see some concern for the students as well as the teachers they represent. It would also be nice to see more good teachers stand up against their unions, when the unions propose various contract items that will not be in the best interest of their students.”

        There is no name calling RI. In fact I go out of my way to state that there are many fine public school teachers. I did however state correctly that overwhelmingly the teacher’s union is only concerned about teachers salaries, benefits and working conditions and rarely if ever puts the interests of the children first. This is a true statement. If the teacher’s unions were putting the needs of their children first for example there would not be on average 34 to 35 students in each of the FSD classrooms. I understand that the numbers are just as high if not slightly higher for the FJUHSD as well.

  35. #126 by Public Pensions--good, bad, & ugly on April 18, 2016 - 7:32 am

    Costa Mesa Pension Oversight Committee member:
    Jeff Arthur — Public Pensions

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qOrzfEWbb4

  36. #127 by Dr-J on April 26, 2016 - 4:58 pm

    Joe, I don’t misstate the facts to try to make an argument as you do. There’s a surplus in the FJUHSD Districts budget, economic outlook isn’t “bleak” and here you are advocating that teachers shouldn’t get part of a surplus which is the result of them being denied a pay increase for the past eight years.

    Arguing that it will cost taxpayers more doesn’t suffice, nor does attempting to make students health an issue, to try to avoid the truth, which is that teachers aren’t being treated fairly.

    • #128 by Anonymous on April 27, 2016 - 7:19 am

      If you were in on the LCAP meetings, understood the direction all of these unsustainable salary, benefits, and pensions were, total compensation package, you would not be arguing this.

      Even if the reported $35M+ reserve exists and in light of the unsustainable track we are on, don’t you think the reserve to actually keep the schools going outweighs more short term unsustainability?

      Please wake up to reality, worldwide, actually. We are approaching a cliff. Not just FJUHSD but worldwide. We are in for a bumpy ride.

    • #129 by Barry Levinson on April 27, 2016 - 9:16 am

      If Dr-J you are correct then why is the average classroom size somewhere around 35 students or higher. There are areas of the country where the average public classroom size is as low as 12 to 14 students. So your inference that there are no budgetary issues is in fact false Dr-J. It is so disturbing that those such as Dr-J who make false baseless allegations are the same ones that play fast and loose with the truth. So for people such as Dr-J who remain in the dark continue to throw your garbage at me. I will continue to state the facts and the truth because I care about my community and I certainly care about the education and well-being of all Fullerton students.

      • #130 by Reality Is..... on April 27, 2016 - 11:30 am

        So you, Barry, are saying that you want class sizes of 15 kids max which would double the amount of teachers, double the amount of classrooms needed, double the amount of school property needed, and along those same lines you want all teachers to not get a raise in pay or benefits for 10-20 years. Interesting. Oh. You also want the kids out playing so you need more play space since you will be building double the amount of classrooms now too.

        Everyday I see more and more why people in charge ignore you. Your ideas are so far fetched and you never have the solution. You just spout the problem in your mind, and tell people just do something about it. And if you question Barry or Joe about their ideas, they get mad and storm off upset, calling names, making false accusations, and tell you that you are the worst city or state leader in history.

        It’s all making perfect sense now.

        • #131 by Anonymous on April 28, 2016 - 3:55 pm

          How do you know they are ignored? You mean, that’s what you want everyone to think. Really? Get mad, calling names and make false accusations? Sure sounds like YOU, Reality is. You really think the readers listen to you? You’re delusional! No one cares about what you say let alone believe anything you post here.

          Yeah, it’s all making perfect sense alright…you’re just trying to cause problems and discredit Joe and Barry. Sorry, but it’s not working so why don’t you just give it up.

          • #132 by Anonymous on April 29, 2016 - 6:51 am

            There isn’t any evidence that anyone with any actual power gives a crap about what these two clowns think other than to get them to shut up and stop polluting meetings.

            • #133 by Joe Imbriano on April 29, 2016 - 8:25 am

              There isn’t any evidence that anyone with any actual power gives a crap about the students other than to get re elected.

            • #134 by Fullerton Lover on April 29, 2016 - 9:31 am

              Maybe that’s part of the problem that Joe and Barry are trying to address?

              People who are elected to City Council here in Fullerton, are provided with limitless resources to fund their political campaigns by the public employees unions?

              Why would you think that the public employees unions here in Fullerton, would provide their city council candidates that they sponsor, with over $100,000.00 each election cycle?

  37. #135 by Anon on June 7, 2016 - 6:52 pm

    Great it’s over!! Congrats. Get these hard working talented kids to the Universities they belong.

  38. #136 by Anonymous on August 2, 2016 - 8:13 am

    Troy is staffed by a bunch of alcoholics.

    • #137 by Anonymous on January 19, 2017 - 2:08 pm

      troy’s IB/TECH is meant for students who are intelligent enough to handle its IB/TECH program by figuring it out on their own b/c troy keeps providing more challenging academics for teachers who don’t teach at all, but who specialize in just loading lots of work on students… in fact, many of troy’s IB/TECH students are smarter than its teachers, ie students are responsible for its computer labs-upgrading software/hardware and teaching it to teachers. however, students that are not as talented/intelligent won’t get much from any tutoring/after or before school help from its teachers. money has little to do with it for teachers. its more about engaging in a futile activity that frustrates students who are unable to figure it out on their own and teachers that don’t have any patience for it. this is how troy has operated since its inception; in an endless loop of recruiting intelligent students to further its reputation (in science Olympiad, etc.) while screwing over others who may have a desire to learn and be educated, but are not as talented/gifted as others.

      • #138 by Anonymous on January 20, 2017 - 9:44 am

        Jesse Knowles is the radiation king of Troy. Maybe that is why he got a brain tumor.

      • #139 by Anonymous on January 20, 2017 - 12:37 pm

        many teachers at Troy are really cruel and very unhappy persons. That is why many of them are big time alcoholics and perverts.how many have the bad marriages. troy is really dark place full of friends who are stretched to limits unimaginable

        • #140 by anonymous on January 21, 2017 - 5:33 pm

          I believe it.

  39. #141 by hot rod on January 20, 2017 - 1:52 am

    grading on your page or mine?

    • #142 by to "hot rod" on January 23, 2017 - 11:07 am

      pedo?

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