The greatest lie ever told is that there is no God. The greatest tool ever invented to convince people of this lie is the theory of evolution. The greatest purveyors of this lie is the public school system and their agents. The greatest protection afforded this lie comes from the government through its controlled academia and scientific community. It ought not be aided and abetted by the church but it is.  The greatest responsibility to counter this massive deception lies with the church and church leaders. The greatest weapon we have in fighting this war for the souls and minds of the masses is The Bible.

The greatest deception operation on earth is NASA working with the media and the churches.

There is a greater damnation for the hireling preacher.

One of the most preeminent versus in all of the Bible making the case for God and His creating our world, aside from Genesis 1:1 is Psalm 19.

Here is the King James Version:

“The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.”  

Have you ever seen the sky in total darkness at night? If you have then this verse makes perfect sense. Most throughout history did every night of their lives and their eyes did not lie nor deceive them. They saw the Glory of God and His handywork-THE FIRMAMENT. No longer can we as lighting and tv screens dominate our nocturnal viewing habits.

The Bible clearly refers to the earth being a circle not a sphere and of course having a solid structure above it supporting waters ABOVE IT. Genesis 1:6 refers to the firmament.  Look the Bible is clear and the Hebrew is succinctly clear: The word RAQIA IS THE EXACT HEBREW WORD IN GENESIS 1 verse 6 AND IN PSALM 19

רָקִיעַ noun masculineGenesis 1:6 extended surface, (solid)

2 the vault of heaven, or ‘firmament,’ regarded by Hebrews as solid, and supporting ‘waters’ above it, Genesis 1:6,7 (3 t. in verse);Genesis 1:8 (called שָׁמַיַם; all P), Psalm 19:2 (“” הַשָּׁמַיַם), ׳זֹהַר הָרDaniel 12:3; also ׳ר הַשָּׁמִיִם Genesis 1:14,15,17, ׳הַשּׁ ׳עַלמְּֿנֵי רGenesis 1:20 (all P). **רְקִיעַ עֻזּוֺ Psalm 150:1 (suffix reference to ׳י).

This is a Scriptural fact on cosmology. It represents a firm and impassable barrier between the world of man (below) and the abode of God (above).

“Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that [be] above the heavens.”
(Psalms 148:4 KJV)

Gene Appel has gone on record supporting the New Living Translation second edition and ascribing high credibility to it.

Look what the New Living Translation second edition has done to Psalm 19!

“The heavens proclaim the glory of God. The skies display his craftsmanship.”

First,the NLT 2nd edition switches the world declare for proclaim. “Declare: is used in informal situations which God speaking to all of us really is. ‘Proclaim’ is used more for government declarations. Notice the subtle interchange that precedes the massive deception that follows. The NLT 2nd edition removes the word “firmament” and substitutes it for the word “skies.

This is heresy breaking the legs of the Truth of The Bible. The Hebrew in Psalm 19 and Genesis 1 is clear

.  רָקִיעַ noun masculineGenesis 1:6 extended surface, (solid) expanse (as if beaten out; compare Job 37:18); — absolute ׳רEzekiel 1:22 +, construct ׳רְ Genesis 1:14 +; — ᵐ5 στερέωμα, ᵑ9firmamentum, compare Syriac below √above; —

(flat) expanse (as if of ice, compare כְּעֵין הַקֶּרַח), as base, support (WklAltor. Forsch. iv. 347Ezekiel 1:22,23,25(gloss ? compare Co Toy), Ezekiel 1:26 (supporting ׳י‘s throne). Hence (CoEzekiel 1:22)

the vault of heaven, or ‘firmament,’ regarded by Hebrews as solid, and supporting ‘waters’ above it, Genesis 1:6,7 (3 t. in verse); Genesis 1:8 (called שָׁמַיַם; all P), Psalm 19:2 (“” הַשָּׁמַיַם), ׳זֹהַר הָר Daniel 12:3; also ׳ר הַשָּׁמִיִם Genesis 1:14,15,17, ׳הַשּׁ ׳עַלמְּֿנֵי ר Genesis 1:20 (all P). **רְקִיעַ עֻזּוֺ Psalm 150:1 (suffix reference to ׳י).

Once again, The Bible clearly refers to the earth being a circle not a sphere and of course having a solid structure above it supporting waters ABOVE IT. Genesis 1:6 refers to the firmament. Even the pastors are in on this scam. Look the Bible is clear and the Hebrew is succinctly clear: The word RAQIA IS THE EXACT WORD IN GENESIS 1 verse 6. YOU ARE BEING LIED TO BY EVERYONE INVOLVED INCLUDING YOUR PASTOR.

רָקִיעַ noun masculineGenesis 1:6 extended surface, (solid)

2 the vault of heaven, or ‘firmament,’ regarded by Hebrews as solid, and supporting ‘waters’ above it, Genesis 1:6,7 (3 t. in verse);Genesis 1:8 (called שָׁמַיַם; all P), Psalm 19:2 (“” הַשָּׁמַיַם), ׳זֹהַר הָרDaniel 12:3; also ׳ר הַשָּׁמִיִם Genesis 1:14,15,17, ׳הַשּׁ ׳עַלמְּֿנֵי רGenesis 1:20 (all P). **רְקִיעַ עֻזּוֺ Psalm 150:1 (suffix reference to ׳י).

This is a Scriptural fact on cosmology. It represents a firm and impassable barrier between the world of man (below) and the abode of God (above). Star Trek, and all the fake moon landings are part of the deception. It is much easier to make people believe in evolution if they are told that the earth is some random spinning ball flying through space at 5000 miles an hour that coalesced from a bunch of cooling molten mass from an explosion trillions of years ago than to make people believe in atheism if they live in a magnificent closed system in that we are daily reminded that the “HEAVENS DECLARE THE GLORY OF GOD AND THE FIRMAMENT SHOWETH HIS HANDYWORK”.

The Bible clearly states that we live in a closed system. So if the greatest lie ever told is that there is no God. If The greatest tool ever invented to convince people of this lie is the theory of evolution.  If The greatest purveyors of this lie is the public school system and their agents. If The greatest protection afforded this lie comes from the government through its controlled academia and scientific community. It ought not be aided and abetted by the church. That is exactly what people like Gene are doing with their support for such heresy. The greatest responsibility to counter this massive deception lies with the church and church leaders. The greatest weapon we have in fighting this war for the souls and minds of the masses is The Bible. The hirleing preachers are aiding and abetting the destruction of the Truth of The Bible by publicly, knowingly, willingly, and proudly declaring his support for a false and dangerous translation of The Bible that aids an abets the advancement of the secular humanist atheistic agenda called the religion of science.

The greatest arm of pseudo scientific cosmology is NASA. Having militarized space, they are the high priests of the church of the heliocentric model of the universe keeping all dissent under strict control, generating fake computer generated images for decades stealing trillions of dollars from the taxpayers, and providing consistent support for the government agents in academia, science and education that have poisoned countless children into believing THAT THE BIBLE IS WRONG ON ITS VIEW OF THE UNIVERSE! 

If the children knew THEY were in a closed system, the next question they would ask is WHO PUT THEM THERE? God did.

The Bible is either wrong or NASA is wrong. Either The Bible is a lie or NASA is a lie. The Bible clearly states the earth is flat covered by a dome. NASA claims the earth is round and revolves around the sun.  From ancient civilizations to modern times we are told that the earth is flat with a dome Hebrew, Ancient Egyptian, Babylonians, Chinese, Indians, Greeks, Poets, Philosophers, Historians and modern evidences tell us that the earth is flat. So why does everyone believe what NASA tells us? Which one is it? You decide whether or not The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth His handywork..


The government has had a monopoly over the media, press and academia for decades. Couple that with the 13 years of compulsory education mandated to indoctrinate every man woman and child in the US and you have little room for debate or do we? The Universities and the academic intellencia take it up on a logarithmic scale and yet the only photos of the earth from so called space or satellites are ALL ARTIST RENDERINGS OR COMPUTER GENERATED IMAGES. Your eyes and your basic instincts tell us the sun and the moon are the same size, located very close to us as the naked eye cannot see a moon  crater 40 miles across 238,000 miles away, that the oceans cannot stay on a 1000 mile per hour spinning ball and that the 75,000 miles of circulatory system did not get into our bodies by accident. Yet we submit our bodies and minds to those who deny that The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth His handywork.

It is the school district personnel who teach just that. These are the ones who cement the lies after, through endless rote repetition, they ram the fables deep into the impressionable minds of the children. Do they know what they are part of? How can it be that reasonable, logical people that supposedly are the critical thinkers take part in such a vile endeavor, that is the teaching of the lie of evolution? What are these people thinking? They are not. They are walking lockstep with the machine that turns out children who do not know or believe in God and who can no longer think and interpret what is right in front of their eyes even though The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth His handywork.

The school district personnel are all in on it, every last one of them. Where are all the so called  moral giants, or the so called christian teachers and staff? Why are they silent? Where is their fiece vocal opposition to these flat out lies? Yes they are all part of a regressive, massive dehumanization and sterilization agenda, drugging the children with vision destroying technology,



Yes they are all part of a regressive, massive, reproductive organ destroying wireless classroom technology forced irradiation program that is turning them into satanic video game addicts, teaching them the lies of evolution, the lie that there is no God, that wireless is harmless and that vaccines are safe and not part of a eugenics agenda. Does it logically follow that the school district personnel are not the most dangerous and evil people alive right now because of what they are doing to all the children? Yes you heard me the same ones doing this are the ones who hide that The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth His handywork..

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They sit back and remain silent on the brain damaging sterilization by the forced microwave exposure in the classrooms, refusing to warn parents, accept information and warn the students. They are silent on the perversion being foisted on our children, they are silent on the forced vaccinations that are now part of school entry requirements. They are silent on the lies of evolution, silent on the dehumanization of children they are taking part in and silent on everything that matters except when it comes to their paltry paychecks. Go look out in front of the high schools in Fullerton right now and you will see these overpaid lackeys pissed off about the fact the $125,000 a year is not enough for 6 1/2 hour workdays for less than half the year as they lock the children out of class for tutoring and college letter of recommendation writing.

Yes of course That is when they speak up while they all ignore that The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth His handywork.

Firmament does not refer to empty air, a blue sky or a level of the atmosphere, it refers to a physical structure. It refers to the dome that covers the earth, and stated as such in some Bible translations. Yes it is the dome that no rocket ship or 33rd degree mason phony astronaut con job clown has ever passed through with a fake spaceship that really just crashed down in the ocean right after it launched.

The firmament sheweth His handy work. Why hide the dome from us? Why discredit the first chapter of The Bible? Because the total bull crap of evolution folds like a bad hand when people that have been so dumbed down to believe it in the first place realize that a dome over us means that someone put it there and put us under it. Thank the school district personell for all this moral relativism, political correctness, joke science and of course the 65 shots in your children’s bloodstreams and the wireless device in their laps. How long are all you parents and school district sycophants and lackeys going to go along with all of this or are you too going to ignore that The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth His handywork.

And yes, there are the doctors, with their academic arrogance, who think the man in the sky is some sort of a joke. In Fullerton look no further than the most outspoken enemies of God in town who mock God, and whose wife publicly calls for ending prayer at public meetings while they both push for the forced irradiation of school children all over California. Just look how and where all that education got those two who publicly ignore and protest that The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth His handywork.

I guess the the toxic drugs, toxic treatments and eugenicist shots, are right there behind all of them to help guide the way. Look what these closed minded automaton school district and medical establishment thugs have done to you, your friends, your parents and are now doing to an entire generation of children as these get their body, soul, health and spirit sucked to hell by the well coordinated orchestration of all of the aforementioned on their watch with their blessing.

It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones. -The words of Jesus Christ.

Actually It applies to all of them, especially to the nurses and social workers that are putting all these children on medication when what they really need is the knowledge that God made them and God loves them. No such luck at school where they are taught starting in kindergarten that they can have two dads, two moms, that they came from animals, rocks, monkeys and muck and became what they are as a result of some cosmic accident with their faces glued to screens all day and night while they ignore, forget or simply cannot fathom that The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth His handywork.

I challenge all of you to consider what has been the norm in our brainwashed society and open your eyes to the ancient wisdom so timelessly established in God’s word that to this very day, remains under attack from some of the most evil people in all of human history who subvert the fact that The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth His handywork.

How can a student of the Bible, or even a seminary graduate, believe and even instruct the flock that science has proven The Bible to be in error? How do you ignore chapter 1 when your entire business model is built around the contents of this book? Yes even the dumbed down phony pastors and the pickpocket preachers in the phony churches that go along with all of this for a few measly bucks just so they can sleep in everyday and ignore that The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth His handywork.

You will never hear a sermon on Genesis 1 that tells the truth about what we actually live on or one that exposes:


If they can con everyone into believing that there is no God, that we all came from rocks, that we are all animals, that there is no purpose to any of this, then I can assure you ladies and gentlemen, they will treat us like rocks and animals. Sadly with the forced vaccinations, the satanic media, the disgusting fake toxic food, the booze, pills, dope, porn, the wireless emissions beaming through our walls, forced into the laps of children at school, the dosed water, the sprayed skies and the outright lies of the educational and medical system that ARE IN DIAMETRIC OPPOSITION to the Word of God, we are already in dire straights in need of a massive and abrupt about face. The second biggest lie ever told is right here before your eyes. Please open them before you end up spending eternity in darkness. The Bible is true, the earth is flat and anyone who tells you otherwise is simply a victim of an educational system that is designed to promulgate regression disguised as intellectual prowess flanked by foolishness that remains bound up in the child that they can never admit they still are. Take 25 minutes and judge for yourself. The lies have it ladies and gentlemen, and they also have your children all by the throat. It is time to break the grip. The day has finally arrived. The choice is yours.



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  1. #1 by Anonymous on August 23, 2017 - 2:05 pm

    Joe, you forgot about the Jews.

    Tell us about their war on Christ.

    • #2 by Anonymous on August 24, 2017 - 12:13 pm

      Ah yes, ask Mel Gibson all about it but only after a few beers my dear.

  2. #3 by Anonymous on August 23, 2017 - 4:40 pm

    Yes, more of this insanity. This is where we find the comedy!

  3. #4 by moon landings were all fake-NASA is criminals on August 24, 2017 - 2:09 pm

    A Stereoscopic method of verifying Apollo lunar surface images

    University Kharkiv by OLEG OLEYNIK, Ph.D.c
    Previously of the Department of Physics and Technology
    Kharkov State University, Ukraine
    Photographs taken on the lunar surface during the Apollo missions are regarded as the most compelling pieces of evidence that mankind went to the Moon.

    The photographic validation method presented here is based on the detection of two-dimensional objects among three-dimensional objects, and determining the mutual arrangement of these objects in space and the distance to them by applying a technique known as stereoscopic parallax.

    The word parallax derives from the Greek parallaxis meaning “alteration” where parallax is the difference in the apparent position of objects caused by shifting camera position. To achieve such a result, images are overlapped and are deducted/subtracted from each other using the function “difference” in an image processing application such as Photoshop®. Optical transformations are used when images are subtracted. During image convergence simple operations are applied: x and y axis scaling, rotation and distortion plus two additional processes: perspective and shift.

    Such processes are referred to below as “optical transformations”. Objects further than two kilometres distant, with a minor camera shift, have zero parallax.
    Using Photoshop® the sequence of steps deployed is as follows:

    Two overlapping images are placed on different layers – thereby creating a PSD file.
    Application of function “difference” to the upper layer (subtraction of images from each other).
    Optical transformations are applied: axes x and y scaling, rotation, distortion, perspective and in addition a shift to the requirement specified above. As a result maximum density black for the background is obtained.
    The layer is returned to the normal view: function “normal”.
    The PSD file is pruned to remove non-overlapping parts.
    Sequentially, the converted layers are carried over into the application’s GIF animator.
    A stereoscopic GIF image is obtained that permits the creation of a 3D effect, even on a flat screen.
    Stereo Wiggle
    Fig. 1. A stereoscopic image or ‘wiggle’ stereoscopy. GIF-animation allows the creation of a crude sense of dimensionality, even with monocular vision. Stereoscopic imagery can also determine the relative position of objects in space and enable judgment of their remoteness. Image Wikipedia

    If any given image was taken inside a pavilion or dome with a panoramic background, i.e. when there are no distant objects with null parallax, then such a 2-dimensional object can be detected among any 3D bodies. In the case of such a finding, reaching the conclusion that there was deception could be stated with confidence.

    Example 1. The method of creating a stereoscopic image is examined in the following example of images of the Zmievskaya power plant, Kharkov region, Ukraine. The camera shift is 1.5 m.

    Fig. 2. The Zmievskaya power plant Kharkov region Ukraine. HiRes image1, HiRes image2.

    The distance to the power plant is about 4 kms and to the tree planting (left horizon) is about 2 kms.

    The image convergence shown below (the main criteria is the most complete background subtraction, and since the distance is more than 3 kms, the parallax is zero).

    Fig. 3. Image subtraction.

    Images are processed in a GIF-animator to obtain a stereoscopic image:

    Fig. 4. Stereoscopic image of the Zmievskaya power plant.

    (For more detailed information on creating stereoscopic images and obtaining intermediate images see this article – in Russian).

    It is now possible to measure the parallax and the distance to all remote objects. The distance La to any
    object A, is calculated as follows:

    Knowing the distance to the front edge: 5 m, and the front edge offset: 85 mm (can be measured by a ruler, the two white grasses), plus the offset of the nearest electric pylon, about 1.2 mm. From the proportions ratio the distance to the nearer pylon is acquired, namely 350 metres; to the second pylon with the parallax of 0.6 mm is 700 metres. Distance to the trees (offset is about 0.2 mm) is close to 2 kms – at the boundary of parallax occurrence.

    Conclusion: These simple image transformation operations preserve perspective proportions.

    Similarly, as in the case of examining the parallax of the Apollo lunar surface images – where, according to NASA maps of the landing sites, the distance to the mountain background should be more than 5 kms – evidence of stereoscopic imagery is expected. If such evidence is absent, the image cannot have been taken in the stated environment, such a image must have been created elsewhere in a studio.

    Having looked at stereoscopic parallax in images of terrestrial objects, some Apollo images are studied from the photographic record.

    The Apollo 15 LM touched down at 22:16:29 UTC on July 30 1971 at Hadley (26°7’55.99″N 3°38’1.90″E), near Hadley Rille (also referred to as Rima Hadley), Montes Apenninus and Mons Hadley. The first lunar rover was used for extensive reconnaissance. Within 67 hours the crew carried out three EVAs, spending 18.5 hours in total away from the LM. A new 500mm lens, camera and accessories were used, which have provided photographic opportunities not available to previous missions. Lift off from the lunar surface was on August 2, 1971 and the astronauts returned to Earth on August 7.

    The Apollo 15 crew comprised:
    Commander David R. Scott (Dave)
    Command Module Pilot Alfred M. Worden
    Lunar Module Pilot James B. Irwin (Jim)

    Fig. 5. Topographic map of the Apollo 15 landing site.

    A series of Apollo 15 photographs will be considered and stereoscopic parallax or apparent change in the relative positions of objects will be analysed.

    The first series. Astronaut Dave takes a few panorama images in EVA-1 near the LM, AS15-86-11601 and AS15-86-11602.

    Fig. 6. The LM with Jim standing at the rear of the rover; the Apennine front and the crater St. George are located in the background. The distance from the camera to the lunar module and rover is about 10 metres, and the Apennines and the crater should be 4-8 kms away.

    A rectangle marks the sections of the photographs which were deducted for parallax examination and separation of 3D objects from any 2D objects.

    Fig. 7. The subtraction of the two photos after the transformations of scaling, rotation, and distortion is shown on the left. The right image shows the parallax achieved after merging the two frames.

    Nearby objects: the LM, the rover, and astronaut Jim are shifting relative to each other. The Apennines and the crater St. George are also moving as a whole. (Moreover, the shadow is changing on the mountains and the crater.) This finding indicates that it is less than 300 metres to the background (the ‘mountains’) instead of 5 kilometres!

    Therefore, with such a small alteration to the camera position in Dave’s hands (several tens of centimetres), the mountains should not move, they should remain static (zero parallax).

    In addition, the Apollo 15 stereoscopic photos feature a clear separation line between the ‘mountains’ and the foreground. Based on the distance between the camera and rover, the distance to the panorama of the ‘lunar’ scape cannot be more than 150 metres.

    Conclusion: It is very probable that these images were taken on Earth in a studio stage.

    The second series. Jim is doing some panoramic photography (Fig. 8). The distance from his camera to the LM is approximately 40 m. Jim’s ALSEP Pan at the end of EVA-2.

    Fig. 8. On the left Dave collects samples; Mount Hadley; LM in the centre; behind the LM the sun is shining into the camera and the Apennines are in the distance – over 35 kms; the Apennines and the crater St. George are on the right at a distance of 5-8 kms.

    The two images with a view of Mount Hadley were selected from the Panorama (distance is about 30 kms, the height more than 2.5 kms) AS15-87-11849 and AS15-87-11850.

    Fig. 9. Note the numerous boot prints left by Dave and Jim.

    Rectangles highlight the selected areas selected for parallax examination.

    Fig. 10. The subtraction of two images after scaling, rotation, and distortion is shown on the left. The stereoscopic image after merging two images is on the right.

    Despite a slight offset of the camera, the mountains are moving, which contradicts the condition of distant mountains. If the image subtraction criteria are changed, the most darkened background condition is replaced with the most darkened front area.

    Fig. 11. The subtraction of the front parts of the two images is on the left. The parallax resulting from the two merged images is on the right. This image was obtained by the subtraction of two photos taken with a camera shift of not more than 20 cms. Transformations of scale, rotation, reverse distortion, perspective, shift and the convergence of the two images into a stereoscopic image were applied.

    An error estimate is now performed. Assuming that this is a real lunarscape, then the distance from the astronauts to the lunar horizon should be 1.5 kms and the distance to the objects in the background, such as the foot and summit of Mount Hadley, is 20-35 kms.

    The offset of 100 sampled pixels below the horizon is calculated – the AB line, obtaining an average shift ± a pixels (depending on the image resolution). The shift magnitude obeys Gaussian distribution, meaning this is noise.

    A sample of 50 points is selected above the line (AB), i.e. objects located at a distance of 20-35 kms. Giving an offset value of (10-50)a pixels. The shift direction has a vector and is not subject to Gaussian distribution. Moreover, the higher a dot the greater value of the shift – at the foot it is 10a, at the top 50a pixels.

    It is logical to assume that if any lunar objects at the interval [0.01; 1.5] kms are static, the noise amounts to ± a, the parallax is zero, then for more distant objects at the interval [20; 35] kms, the parallax is likewise zero with the same value of noise, i.e. the shift is ± a pixels and the shift value obeys a Gaussian distribution.

    However, the results indicate otherwise. Objects above the (AB) line are moving synchronously with increase in shift depending on the height above the horizon.

    Conclusion: Mount Hadley moves and ‘bows’. The wrong initial assumption was probably made that this is a real lunarscape. As this research demonstrates, this setting must be a totally artificial panorama, several tens of metres in depth with a mock ‘Hadley’ in the background, moving horizontally and vertically to create an illusion of remoteness and of perspective.

    A series of Apollo 15 images are now examined near Rima Hadley for the presence of stereoscopic parallax. Rima Hadley measures in length at least 135 kms, with an average width ~1.2 and average depth ~370 m (from Greeley 1971 – quoted in F. Leverington, 2008).

    The third series. Dave and Jim make a few trips in the rover to Rima Hadley (Fig. 12) to collect samples. One of the panoramas comprises photos from AS15-82-11165 to AS15-84-11284.

    Fig. 12. Jim is holding the camera. Rima Hadley is in the foreground. Dave is collecting samples near the rover. Mount Hadley is in the background. The sun is shining into the camera in the centre. The Apennines are over 35 kms away. Apennines Front and the crater St. George are on the left.
    (Panorama assembled by the author)
    In two panorama frames is the bottom of Rima Hadley, which extends to Apennines Front and the crater St. George. The distance from the camera to Rima edge is about 5 m, to the Apennines and the crater is 4-8 kms. The frames are taken with a shift of no more than a few tens of centimetres. AS15-82-11178 and AS15-82-11179.

    Fig. 13. The view of Rima Hadley, Apennines Front and the crater St. George.
    Rectangles mark the sections used for parallax examination.

    Fig. 14. The foreground subtraction of the two images after scaling, rotation, distortion, shift and perspective is on the left. On the right is the resulting parallax obtained after merging the two frames.

    It is possible to see the movement of the surface areas relative to each other along the edge of the trench between points A and B. This situation cannot occur in real world photography.

    Conclusion: These images were probably taken on Earth in a dome-shaped studio location where movable panorama backgrounds were installed, and even treated afterwards by further adjustment in a photographic lab.

    Fig. 15. Landscape and Traverse map of Apollo 15 landing site by NASA artist (showing stations 1-14).

    Images AS15-85-11423 and AS15-85-11424 were selected, taken at station 2 with Rima Hadley observation.

    Fig. 16. Images AS15-85-11423 and AS15-85-11424 station 2 with a view of Rima Hadley. Photo camera stereobase is not more than 0.5m.

    Fig. 17. Lunar Topophotomap of Rima Hadley, Apollo 15. Green dot marks the photo sessions site.

    The topophotomap (Fig. 17) shows that the opposite slope is over 1 km away, the depth is 300 metres, and it is 7 kms to the turn on Rima Hadley brow (green arrow, added July 2017). It is impossible to excavate an artificial canyon of similar size. Therefore, if fakery was involved, the opposite slope would have to be ‘painted’ or have a length of several tens of metres, simulating a lunar landscape. On the other hand, if the photographs are genuine, the parallax analysis will show that the distances correspond to the actual lunar surroundings, confirming the NASA record.

    Horizontal stereoscopic effect

    For this parallax we apply the next set of transformations: optical zoom, rotation, distortion, perspective, shift in x and y directions to the image as a whole. The requirement of maximum deduction of remote landscapes is imposed to extract horizontal stereoscopic effect.

    As a result, we obtain the following stereoscopic pair of images:

    Fig. 18. A stereoscopic pair of images AS15-85-11423 and AS15-85-1142 with horizontal stereoscopic effect after applying image transformations.

    Stereoscopic parallax is clearly visible in Fig 18, and we can make a preliminary estimation of the distance to the opposite slope of Rima Hadley. The distance is 50 metres (recall that it should be at least 1 km according to the map). The distant background is shifting slightly, although the parallax must be zero, since according to the map it is about 20 kms to the mountains.

    In general, given that in the true lunar background remote objects should be located many kms away, it is impossible to achieve a zero stereoscopic parallax using only previously-mentioned image transformations – confirmed by converging dozens of pairs of Apollo lunar surface images (as well as numerous efforts by other researchers). This strongly suggests that the distance to remote objects in the Apollo photographs which should be many miles/kms is indeed not so.

    These images are a simulation of being on the Moon.

    How were these fake Apollo lunar surface images taken? Due to incomplete convergence of remote background imagery a parallax error at the foreground of stereoscopic images is revealed. The relative error is a ratio of the foreground object’s shift in relation to the background object’s shift.

    Distortion grid of background lunarscape

    The remote terrain in a stereoscopic pair of images can be converged precisely with each other. To do so it is necessary to go beyond the optical transformations applied to the image as a whole and introduce digital distortion to the sections of the image.

    This method can determine the nature of simulation of any background ‘land’scape i.e. build a distortion grid and inspect it. Obviously, if the distortion grid has a curved surface, then it corresponds to projection at the rear onto a circular panorama screen, creating a simulation of a remote background scape on the projection screen. Instead of taking pictures in a remote lunarscape the ‘astronauts’ take pictures of a foreground with the background projected onto a screen.

    The radius of the circular panorama can be roughly estimated by a distortion grid.

    Fig. 19 below shows the distortion grid. A million pixels were involved in the transformation of these two images. In mathematical terms this is a system of a million equations solved with sub pixel accuracy.

    Fig. 19. Digital distortion grid of background objects in AS15-85-11423 after optical transformations converging with AS15-85-11424.

    A precise, curved concave transformation applied to the megabit pixels image confirms the fact that a ‘lunar’ scape was projected onto a forward-tilted, slightly convex panorama background screen. Any other technique fails to replicate the nature of the remote ‘land’scape simultaneously for a million pixels of the image.

    Fig. 20. Illustrates the logic and simplicity of a simulated Apollo lunar surface panorama.
    The grid represents the projection screen which surrounded the Apollo simulation studio.
    Below is the final result of the transformation (optical transformations and the circular panorama are already taken into account).

    Fig. 21. Rima Hadley view. Apollo 15 stereoscopic photographs AS15-85-11423 and AS15-85-11424 after image transformation and digital non-linear distortion of the distant landscape.
    Distances to the image elements are specified in metres with an accuracy of 1%, 2%, 15%, 30%
    and 45% of distances 3, 11, 20, 40 and 60 metres respectively. According to the map
    the distance to the opposite slope of Rima Hadley should be about 1,000-1,200 metres.

    The parallax of the distant background is zero. In Fig. 21 we can see that the distance to the opposite slope of Rima Hadley is only 40 metres, while according to NASA’s map it should be nearer to 1,000-1,200 metres. The difference is more than one of magnitude! This finding is seriously at odds with the official Apollo 15 record.

    Scale stereoscopic effect

    A scale stereoscopic effect was considered for AS15-85-11423 and AS15-85-11424 along the z axis. For example a photographer takes a photograph in one position, then moves closer to, or further from the subject and takes another photograph.

    Fig. 22. A stereoscopic pair of images AS15-85-11423 and AS15-85-11424 with scale stereoscopic effect after transformations: 1) applying transformations: scaling, rotation, distortion, perspective, shift, and offset in x and y to the image as a whole; 2) digital distortion of the distant background terrain; 3) maximum subtraction of a distant background terrain, and 4) acquisition of scale stereoscopic effect. Distances to the image features in metres are specified with 60% accuracy.

    Scale stereoscopic parallax is clearly visible in Fig. 22, which is used to estimate the distance to the opposite slope of Rima Hadley. The distance is about 40 metres. The scale stereoscopic effect also points to fakery of the genuine Rima Hadley on the Moon.
    Verifying the universal nature of a distortion grid
    for a distant background scape

    To verify the possible presence of a circular panorama background screen, another pair of Apollo 15 lunar surface images AS15-85-11424 and AS15-85-11449 with a view of the Rima Hadley taken at station 2 are examined.

    Fig. 23. AS15-85-11424 and AS15-85-11449 with a view of Rima Hadley taken at station 2.

    Below is a digital distortion grid on the distant background landscape present in images AS15-85-11424 and AS15-85-11449. A million pixels of the two images are converged with sub pixel accuracy.

    Fig. 24. Distortion grid of the distant background ‘land’scape in AS15-85-11424 and AS15-85-11449.

    This confirms the previous finding that the ‘lunar’ mountain backscape was projected onto a forward-tilted, slightly convex, circular panorama background screen.
    Horizontal stereoscopic effect

    By the following procedures of:
    applying optical transformations such as scaling, rotation, distortion, perspective, shift and
    offset in x and y to the image as a whole;
    taking into account presence of a circular panorama;
    satisfying the requirement of maximum subtraction of a distant landscape;
    extraction of horizontal stereoscopic effect, we obtain the following stereoscopic pair:

    Fig. 25. A stereoscopic pair of AS15-85-11424 and AS15-85-11449; view of Rima Hadley after transformations and digital distortion of the distant background backscape. Distances to the features of the picture are specified in metres with errors of 15%, 45% and 95% for distances 20, 45 and 140 m respectively. According to the map the distance to the opposite slope of Rima Hadley is approximately 1,000-1,200 metres; to Rima Hadley bow is about 7 kms.

    From previous calculations the distance is known to the foreground rocks at the bottom of Rima Hadley. Based on parallax it is possible to estimate the distances to the other objects as indicated in Fig. 25. Obviously errors are accumulative, the sum of any distance errors to the foreground rocks at the bottom of Rima Hadley as well as any errors in determining the shift of other features of the image – in this case 15%.
    Scale stereoscopic effect

    A scale stereoscopic effect was also obtained for AS15-85-11424 and AS15-85-11449 along the z axis when the camera was moved nearer to the object.

    Fig. 26. A stereopair of images AS15-85-11424 and AS15-85-11449 with scale stereoscopic effect after transformations of: 1) scaling, rotation, distortion, perspective shift and offset in x and y to the image as a whole; 2) maximum subtraction of the remote landscape; 3) obtaining a scale stereoscopic effect. Specified distance to the elements of image in metres with an error not more than 85%.
    The scale stereoscopic parallax is clearly visible in Fig. 26. Using distances determined from the scale parallax, the distance can be estimated to the opposite slope and to Rima Hadley bow. The distance to the opposite slope of Rima Hadley is no more than 40 metres, and the distance to the Rima Hadley bow does not exceed 140 metres.

    According to the topographic map, distances to these locations are more than 1 km to the slope and to Rima Hadley bow it is about 7 kms. Here again, there are serious anomalies in this Apollo record. From a scale stereoscopic effect it is possible to estimate the distance to Rima Hadley bow and to the background projection screen.

    Fig. 27. A stereopair of images AS15-85-11424 and AS15-85-11449 with a scale stereoscopic effect after transformations and application of the distortion grid
    for a distant landscape. The relative error in distances is no more than 60%.

    Based on the stereoscopic result, the calculated distance to the mountains on the horizon is 140 metres (accuracy 60%). According to the map it should be more than 20 kms. The difference in distance is more than 100 times! These serious errors in the Apollo 15 photographic record indicate that these images were undoubtedly faked.

    The study of stereoscopic effect in photographs AS15-85-11423, AS15-85-11424 and AS15-85-11449 shows that these images do not contain distant objects farther than a few hundred metres away. The distance to the opposite slope of “Rima Hadley” is about 40 metres (should be 1,000-1,200 metres), to Rima Hadley bow is about 90 metres (based on the topographic map is about 7 kms) and to the mountains it is 100-140 metres (should be nearer to 20 kms based on the lunar geography). The error in calculation of these distances is 15-60%.

    Contradictions in the photographic record of the Apollo program point to the simulated nature of the lunarscape: creation of an artificial canyon, 40 metres wide and 90 metres long, simulating Rima Hadley with help of a rear background screen, depicting a distant lunarscape.

    Was there a way to simulate the remote lunar surface on a projection screen for any other Apollo 15 lunar surface photographs? More Apollo 15 images are considered from the NASA record with distant lunarscapes.

    In Fig. 7 after optical transformations, all the foreground objects: the LM, the rover, and astronaut Jim move relative to each other. Any distant object such as the Apennines and the crater St. George also move as a whole. Shadows on the mountains and on the crater change as well. The separation line between the mountain and the foreground area is clearly visible. A rough estimate of the stereoscopic effect gives the distance to the background (mountains) as less than 300 metres. Instead of the 5 kms according to the Apollo record.

    To converge a remote lunarscape a distortion grid was superimposed onto the optically-transformed images AS15-86-11601 and AS15-86-11602.

    Fig. 28. A distortion grid of the distant backscape for the converged images
    AS15- 86-11601 and AS15- 86-11602 in the stereopair.

    Fig. 28 shows the distortion grid for converging AS15-86-11601 and AS15-86-11602 to obtain zero stereoscopic parallax. Recall that introducing a distortion grid is the method of going beyond the standard optical transformation – the system of creating equations for a one-million pixel image. Going beyond the laws of optics in converging two pictures into a stereopair questions the veracity of the image and results in a postulation that the lunarscape was faked.

    The regular curved repetitive distortion grid for other pairs of images indicates projection of the distant background mountains onto a rear screen positioned about 100 metres away with the ‘astronauts’ in the foreground.

    After applying the distortion grid we obtain the following stereopair:

    Fig. 29. Stereo image after combining two pictures AS15-86-11601 and AS15-86-11 602 for parallax study. Line AB is a horizon mark at the foot of the mountain, above which is a projection on the screen to simulate a lunar mountainscape. The contrast was increased and the brightness was reduced.

    The familiar distortion grid was superimposed on to the “distant” ‘land’scape in photographs AS15-87-11849 and AS15-87-11 850, and after optical transformation:

    Fig. 30. A distortion grid of the distant ‘land’scape for converging two photographs
    AS15-87-11849 and AS15-87-11850 into a stereopair.

    Fig. 30 shows the distortion grid of the distant background in images AS15-87-11849 and AS15-87-11850. Taking this distortion grid into account, a stereopair is obtained:

    Fig. 31. A stereopair of two images AS15-87-11849 and AS15-87-11850 to study the dynamics of the scene after application of optical transformations and imposing the distortion grid.

    Fig. 31 shows a stereopair of images AS15-87-11849 and AS15-87-11850 to study the dynamics of the lunarscape after application of optical transformations and imposing the distortion grid. Obviously the distortion grid is a method of going beyond optical alterations and is an indicator of simulation of the lunarscape and the lack of really distant objects that should be several kilometres away. The nature of simulation for a given pair of images is similar to the previous pairs of images.

    Fig. 32. A stereopair based on AS15-82-11178 and AS15- 82-11179, after scaling,
    rotation, distortion, shift and perspective.
    Fig. 32 shows a stereopair of images AS15-82-11178 and AS15-82-11179, which is obtained based solely on optical transformations. A distortion grid is superimposed on the remote lunarscape of one of the stereo photos AS15-82-11178 and AS15-82-11179, and obtain:

    Fig. 33. A distortion grid of the remote ‘land’scape for converging photographs
    AS15-82-11178 and AS15-82-11179.

    Another pair of photographs taken at the station 9-11, AS15-82-11121 and AS15-82-11122 points up the fact that the image of the mountain and central part of the Rima Hadley was projected onto a background screen. Below is the final stereopair after optical transformations were applied and imposing the same distortion grid on the remote lunarscape as previously.

    Fig. 34. A stereopair AS15-82-11121 and AS15-82-11122 after optical transformations and overlaying a distortion grid on the remote landscape. Official distance to the slope of Rima is indicated as being not less than 1,500 metres and the value based on parallax –
    50 metres (error not more than 60%).
    The distance to the opposite slope of the Rima Hadley is 50 metres. The foot of the mountain and the Apennines can be clearly seen. Undoubtedly, this is a projected image on to a screen taken by ‘astronauts’ (AS15-82-11121 and AS15-82-11122). The actual length of the Rima Hadley on the Moon is actually 135 kms, the width is about 1.2 kms, and the depth ~370 metres.

    Study Conclusion

    Professor of University of California G. Schiller has noted: “To be successful, manipulation should remain invisible. The success of the manipulation is guaranteed when the manipulated believe that everything happens naturally and inevitably. In short, manipulation requires a false reality in which its presence will not be felt”. Very often this false reality is amplified by the media.

    In the convergence of these Apollo 15 pictures, more than a million equations (the number of pixels in the images) were calculated obeying the laws of optics. In order to obtain a zero stereoscopic effect for a remote landscape, typical distortion grids were generated around the photographic session sites.

    Numerous Apollo 15 photo examples indicate an identical distortion grid – a projection screen at the distance of 100-120 metres from the front of the studio stage. A serious falsification of the true lunarscape, in particular, an artificial trench 30-60 metres in width given for the lunar Rima Hadley which is actually 1,200 metres in width; the image of this remote lunarscape being projected onto the curved background screen; and ‘astronaut’ photographers taking pictures in front of it in a studio set.

    The Apollo 15 photographic record contradicts the stereoscopic parallax verification method. The apparent change in the relative positions of objects by moving the camera when the camera angles are separated by several tens of cms show that:
    the distance to distant objects such as mountains is not tens of kilometres but is no more
    than a few hundred metres;
    the landscape is not continuous, but with clear lines of separation;
    there is movement between nearby sections of the panorama relative to other sections.
    Thus, based on the above examples, this study concludes that the Apollo 15 photographic record does NOT depict real lunarscapes with distant backgrounds located more than a kilometre away from the camera.

    These pictures were, without doubt, taken in a studio set – up to 300 metres in size. A complex panorama mimicking the lunarscape shows degrees of movement, such as horizontal and vertical changes to give an impression of imaginary distance to the objects and perspective.

    Dr Oleg Oleynik

    Aulis Online, April 2012 (fig. 17 updated July 2017)
    English translation from the Russian by BigPhil

    About the Author

    From 1984 to 1993 Dr Oleg Oleynik graduated from the Physics and Technology Department (Phystech) of the Kharkov State University. He obtained a Master’s degree in physics in physical metallurgy.
    From 1993 to 1999 Oleynik was a senior engineer, scientific assistant, postgraduate student, and a Soros postgraduate student.

    In 1999 Oleg successfully graduated from the Phystech postgraduate school, obtained his Ph.D.c specializing in experimental nuclear physics and the physics of charged particle beams at the Physics and Technology Department of the Kharkov State University.

    This was followed by a preliminary defense of the thesis, with a positive review by D.S. V.T. Lazurik.
    After 1999 Oleg left the Phystech department to pursue an independent career.
    From 1999 to 2012 Oleg Oleynik organized non-state research on humanism on the Web, founded a School, a College, and a University with academic degrees.

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    Two years have passed since the original publication of this article in Russia. During that time, NASA decided to create a series of stereo photographs for 3D red-cyan glasses (anaglyph images), superimposing overlapping parts of Apollo surface photos. Reports slip out now and then that some of the photos on NASA’s Web sites have been replaced by retouched counterparts.

    An article entitled “The method of correlative calculation of parallax and camouflage” was published (in Russian). I criticized the article stating that: “The merging of frames is carried out in the application for creating 360 degrees panoramas PTGui, which erases parallax, and eventually the distance to background objects artificially increases. Please double check the algorithm of the application”. More here (In Russian).

    There was no answer from NASA. Instead, in the Russian Wikipedia, late 2009, the following paragraph was added (and removed on July 31, 2011) to The Moon Hoax article: “Also, analysis of the lunar surface images, taken during the missions shows that distance to background objects is indeed vast and cannot be achieved in a soundstage with trick photography”, referring to “The method of correlative calculation of parallax and camouflage” publication.

    Any attempts to change or correct the information in Wikipedia, and to point out the serious errors in the Wikipedia article did not succeed, the moderator continued to erase the link.
    Dr Oleg Oleynik

    See also: Apollo 15 Hadley: A Study in Fakery by Professor Colin Rourke

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    • #5 by Joe Imbriano on August 24, 2017 - 11:06 pm

      This is irrefutable proof that they faked the moon landings. The schools and the churches are all in on this lie.

      • #6 by Anonymous on August 25, 2017 - 8:39 am

        This is irrefutable and the Earth is flat.

        You are insane.

        • #7 by Joe Imbriano on August 25, 2017 - 9:40 am

          This is irrefutable proof that the moon landings were faked and you are insane for believing the abject fraud being committed on everyone but then again you are totally insane for making fun of sterilizing your daughter at school. Extrapolate from there.

          • #8 by Anonymous on August 25, 2017 - 10:17 am

            I don’t have kids you insane freak, but if I did, it’s nice to know that you would be there commanding me on how to raise them.

            The Earth is not flat.

            The only thing irrefutable that you should concern yourself with is your love of self and confirmation bias.

            • #9 by Joe Imbriano on August 25, 2017 - 10:30 am

              I feel sorry for you. You are missing out on the meaning of life. No wonder you are so miserable.

              • #10 by Anonymous on August 25, 2017 - 10:37 am

                I don’t think I’m missing out on you demanding I conform with your commands concerning parenthood.


          • #13 by Anonymous on August 25, 2017 - 10:53 am

            Hey, Barry! You read that?

            You (Barry Levinson) are insane if you don’t believe that NASA and the Churches are all in league and the Earth is flat.

            That’s all on you big guy. You own it lock, stock, and barrel.

            Thanks for hoisting Joe’s paranoia and insanity on all of us. Real service you’ve done for your neighbors.

      • #14 by Anonymous on August 25, 2017 - 9:25 am

        No, it’s irrefutable proof you wholesale copy other people’s’ work and post it as your own without linking to the source, thereby infringing on their copyright.

        • #15 by Joe Imbriano on August 25, 2017 - 9:39 am

          It was posted by an anonymous source with the link. How does it feel to know that you will never have any grandchildren?

          • #16 by Anonymous on August 25, 2017 - 4:13 pm

            Joe, the two detractors that are obsessed with you bear no significance in the grand scheme of things. The fact that they remain such strident critics should be taken as a compliment. The feeble minded are not capable of dealing with such an iconoclast as yourself. They obviously feel threatened by the information you bring to light. No amount of attempted disparagement by anonymous commenters can eclipse the wall of information built by you and your associates.

            I also would avoid stooping to their level. Baseless personal attacks from anonymous sources should never be acknowledged. Comments like that should be ignored. The amount of critical information here on this site must always remain the focus of the discussion. Their vain attempts at muddying the waters will wane once ignored. They always say don’t feed the trolls.

            • #17 by Anonymous on August 26, 2017 - 8:39 am

              But what if you ARE the troll? How else do you get fed?

  4. #18 by Anonymous on August 25, 2017 - 10:19 am

    The moon landings were totally faked. You have to be stupid in light of today’s technology and its analytical capabilities to refute the claims of those crooks at NASA. These crooks pay really well though. Everyone that I know that works for NASA lives in a minimum of a 4000 square foot house with a view.

    • #19 by Anonymous on August 28, 2017 - 1:57 pm

      crime pays well

  5. #20 by Anonymous on August 25, 2017 - 8:38 pm

    EV Free has a new pastor Joe. They spent tens of thousands of dollars on a mailer to let everyone know.

  6. #21 by Anonymous on August 26, 2017 - 8:37 am

    Quality posts are the secret to attract the viewers to go to see the site, that’s what this website is providing.

  7. #22 by Anonymous on August 26, 2017 - 8:13 pm

    fucking nutter

  8. #23 by Anonymous on August 29, 2017 - 3:04 am

    If the largest crater on the moon is some 55 miles across and NASA tells us the moon is 238,000 miles away, how it is possible that the human eye can see that crater from that distance? That is impossible. They are obviously lying.

    • #24 by pendeho on August 29, 2017 - 1:42 pm

      what are you smoking dude? try 1100 miles across.

    • #25 by Anonymous on August 29, 2017 - 3:13 pm

      That’s because the largest crater is 1,600 miles across, not 55, you inept ignoramus.

      • #26 by Anonymous on August 30, 2017 - 9:02 am

        How do you know it is that big? How do you know how far away it really is? You don’t. You only know what you have been told and taught by serial liars. You are a moron. You believe everything you see on TV? Of course you do because you are a slave. You think anyone who questions the system is crazy? Of course you do because that is what they trained you to do. It is hilarious how stupid everyone is.

        • #27 by Anonymous on August 30, 2017 - 7:44 pm


  9. #28 by Anonymous on August 30, 2017 - 2:52 pm

    NASA is absolute bullshit. Look at all the fake pictures. Look at their website. Its a laughable. Maybe they can still fool the kids. I want to know where all the money went that they have been getting from Washington for the last 50 years.

  10. #29 by Anonymous on August 30, 2017 - 5:32 pm

    The craters on the moon look more like heat bubbles that dried similar to what you see when you paint something. Craters on the moon clearly did not come from impacts. Circular craters only present? Impossible. They are not from space rock impacts like they have been telling us. So what else have they been lying to us?

    • #30 by Anonymous on August 31, 2017 - 9:45 am

      The moon is much smaller and obviously much closer that we have been falsely led to believe. The so called craters are actually remnants of its formation. The moon has translucent properties and does not reflect sunlight. It actually absorbs energy from the sun, and through its various phases, re radiates this energy back down to us in the form of light at an entirely different wavelength than sunlight. The thought of orange light from the sun being reflected to earth as white light is absurd. The moon for the most part is its own light source.

    • #31 by Anonymous on August 31, 2017 - 8:24 pm

      You certainly seem like an expert on this subject.

  11. #32 by Anonymous on August 30, 2017 - 6:26 pm

    Mr. Imbriano, you speak truth in its most basic form.

    • #33 by Anonymous on September 2, 2017 - 3:09 pm

      Sure, if you consider complete ignorance and fear as truth.

  12. #34 by cornerstone on August 31, 2017 - 3:01 am

    The war on God is being waged by rabid pedophiles who engage is ritual killing and sacrifice of children. The vatican its seat of spiritual power, spearheading the paramilitary operation that serves the insatiable god Lucifer. Thousands of children go missing everyday in the US alone. Worldwide, the number of children that are being abducted and renditioned is astronomical.

    Masons and Jesuits were the architects and keepers of this great lie. Its emissaries now line the halls of academia and systematically program the masses to accept an evolutionary world view that allows for the continued abduction and killing of innocent children. Sodomy rituals performed on young children are a source of demonic power for the high priesthood that occupy the highest positions of power in media, education, law, science and government. The higher you climb the ladder, the greater the concentration of pedophiles becomes.

    The vaticans telescope is called lucifer.

  13. #35 by Anonymous on September 2, 2017 - 10:13 am

    The only thing that makes any sense about what we are being taught is how stupid they know everyone is. It is really sad. How anyone could possibly fathom and rationalize how water could stay on a spinning ball? The concept defies the rudimentary understanding of our environment possessed by an average 4 year old.

    • #36 by Anonymous on September 2, 2017 - 3:07 pm

      Gravity is a really hard concept to understand. I’m sorry you didn’t pass 6th grade.

  14. #37 by Anonymous on September 4, 2017 - 7:51 am

    During the Apollo program, The NASA video switching center was located in Sydney, Australia. The 14.000 reels of data are not in the system. Why?

  15. #38 by Anonymous on September 5, 2017 - 11:16 am

    There are three parks in your own parish named after astronauts.

  16. #39 by Anonymous on September 5, 2017 - 9:17 pm

    NASA admitted in way back in 2006 that no one could find the original video recordings of the July 20, 1969, moon landing. NASA admits they lost 14,000 reels of data that contained the data from the moon landings. How does NASA do this? Why do they do this?

    Here is NASA’s excuse. The reels of tape were part of a batch of 200,000 tapes that were degaussed — magnetically erased — and re-used to save money.

  17. #40 by Anonymous on September 6, 2017 - 1:40 pm

    I am not a flat earther but they did not go to the moon. How does a rocket work in a vacuum, and how do they get through the van allen belt? Nasa’s own videos have been faked. Shame you have for having no common sense or just letting yourself be fooled.

    • #41 by Anonymous on September 10, 2017 - 10:07 pm

      How does a rocket work in a vacuum?

      Ever hear of a fundamental concept called the Conservation of Momentum?

  18. #42 by Anonymous on September 8, 2017 - 8:49 am

    Apollo flight director Gene Krantz “I haven’t see anything that indicates that the telemetry data is even in existence…. and as I said , even if we had it we don’t have the machines to play it back”

  19. #43 by Anonymous on September 8, 2017 - 1:49 pm

    Yes, apparently 100 of the 700 “lost” boxes of Apollo 11 “experiments” were found hiding under some school desks in Austrailia … Right .

    According to most people, Apollo was the greatest technological achievement ever known to mankind … Yet , for such a stellar achievement in the anals of space flight history , no one at nasa seemed to give a crap what happened to the original Apollo telemetry, which from what I understand , recorded much more that just clearer pictures .

    There are still 600 boxes , weighing over one ton , of telemetry missing from EVERY Apollo mission … and to “lose” something of that magnitude can not be due to any carelessness on the part of nasa employees … If those tapes were really what nasa claimed they were , they would have been carefully guarded in locked vaults ( like the alleged moon rocks ) and not just lost in the shuffle somewhere .. According to nasa’s version of the events , the tapes were moved at one point from one nasa facility to another ( can’t remember the names of them ) and it was at this second location that they became “lost ” .

    The true story is that a documentary maker wanted to take the original telemetry of all of the Apollo missions and convert them to DVD discs to make a documentary about the Apollo Program , using the best quality pictures available …. But when he asked nasa to allow him access to the telemetry data , it became somehow “lost” , never to be found again .
    nasa’s pathetic story that the telemetry data from “the greatest achievement known to mankind ” was “lost” or even accidently “copied over” , then you really are blind to nasa’s smoke and mirrors routine … nasa has many secrets … none of which the world will ever be privy to … and the “lost” telemetry data is just part of their magic show .

    • #44 by Anonymous on September 9, 2017 - 3:19 pm

      Water always seeks its own level and level means flat. Gravity is just a theory to explain away how the water is supposed to stay on this spinning ball batshit crazy bullshit lie. They start them young on this steady diet of NASA fakery and this repeat after me crap.

      • #45 by Anonymous on September 11, 2017 - 10:33 am

        No shortage of crazy over here at Joe and Barry’s Paradise for Lunacy.

        Gravity is not a theory. It’s tested, proven, predictable, and repeatable.

        Joe Imbriano is crazy is a theory. A solid working one at that.

        Tides, Joe. If water constantly seeks it’s own level and the world is flat, tides are impossible.

        • #46 by Joe Imbriano on September 11, 2017 - 12:02 pm

          Tell me why the great lakes have no tides.

          • #47 by Anonymous on September 11, 2017 - 1:51 pm

            Your ignorance never ceases to amaze me.

            Of course the Great Lakes (and the Caspian Sea) do have tides.

            I guess we can tack up you asking for an explanation for something that isn’t real to the Joe’s Crazy Theory.

            That file sure is getting thick.

            • #48 by Joe Imbriano on September 11, 2017 - 4:15 pm

              The Great Lakes are considered to be non-tidal. Ask the USGS. Large landlocked bodies of water such as the Baltic, Black Sea, Caspian Sea are non tidal as well. So tell my why they are non tidal.

              Keep swallowing. Your kids must love common core.

              • #49 by Anonymous on September 11, 2017 - 4:40 pm

                The Baltic isn’t landlocked. Have you ever looked at a map of Scandinavia?

                Anyhoo, all those bodies of water you mentioned do indeed have tides – just not as pronounced as the oceans and so for navigational licensing purposes are considered non tidal.

                If the Earth is flat where does the sun go at night? And what accounts for the motion of the planets? And how come I can see the moons of Jupiter orbiting it – obviously a spherical object just like the Earth?

                And NASA is run by Lucifer by the USGS isn’t? Shall we ask the mapmakers at the USGS why lines of longitude taper to nothing at the North Pole?

                Didn’t think so.

                So many questions and not one intelligent answer.

              • #50 by Anonymous on September 11, 2017 - 6:07 pm

                Crazy Joe,

                Read some books.

                Really. It’ll be good for you.

                Each of those bodies of water has measurable tides. This literally took 30 seconds to find.


                You’re an ignorant man.

                Your kids most love reading about their dad, the village idiot who can’t read.

                • #51 by Anonymous on September 12, 2017 - 10:45 am

                  Joe is a very learned man possessing multiple science degrees from the University. He has credentials.

                  I see you still have not answered his question.

                  • #52 by Anonymous on September 12, 2017 - 11:03 am

                    I would love to see a list of those credentials from “the University” and see which one supports belief in a flat Earth with a shell over the top and a 300 ft wall of ice around the perimeter.

                  • #54 by Anonymous on September 12, 2017 - 12:51 pm

                    The Unabomber also has multiple degrees. Degrees aren’t indicative of being sane or smart. In Joe’s case, maybe he used to be able to read a sentence and understand it, but he can’t anyone.

                    Joe asked for an explanation of why the Great Lakes don’t have tides. They do have tides. Every single source he cited clearly and plainly state as much. He’s wrong.

                    The question needing answered is the original. If water seeks it’s own level and the world is flat, there cannot be tides.

                    There are tides (even in the great lakes.)

                    Therefore, the world is either not flat, water doesn’t seek its own level, or both.

                    Of course I don’t expect an answer from an insane person. I expect a “Does Not Compute” error.

                    Just like any other broken machine fed too much reality.

                    • #55 by Anonymous on September 12, 2017 - 4:31 pm

                      I wonder why the admin even allows these types of libelous comments to be approved. First here is a link supporting Mr. Imbriano’s statement about the lakes not having tides. He has done his homework.


                      Adding analogous references to a known convicted and deranged murderer while comparing him to Mr. Imbriano is simply absurd. One has to wonder how unstable these unnamed individuals are that are so obsessed with this site and Mr. Imbriano. One thing is for certain, Joe is a true iconoclast and has truly upset the proverbial apple cart in his community. I applaud him for his research, his wit, his tenacity and most of all, his staunch and unwavering commitment to Biblical truth, especially true geocentric Biblical cosmology.

                    • #56 by Anonymous on September 12, 2017 - 6:08 pm

                      You can’t seriously be this stupid.

                      “True tides—changes in water level caused by the gravitational forces of the sun and moon—do occur in a semi-diurnal (twice daily) pattern on the Great Lakes.”

                      Please stop talking about yourself in the third person.

              • #57 by Anonymous on September 11, 2017 - 8:16 pm

                Good points. I went on the NOAA site and they also refer to the great lakes as non tidal having only a change of a few centimeters. That is a serious problem with the Newtonian model which admittedly even Newton himself was not happy with.

                • #58 by Anonymous on September 12, 2017 - 11:01 am

                  Your comment makes no logical sense, of course. Since the oceans do have tides and the Great Lakes have much smaller tides, there is obviously some physical difference between say, the Pacific Ocean and Lake Erie – stuff like depth and volume. Now, maybe there is some divine magic involved and God gave a special non-tidal dispensation to the Great Lakes? No, there must be a SCIENTIFIC reason.

                  Newton had no problem accepting the fact of the helio-centric system – understood by every educated person by the middle of the Seventeenth Century.

                  And Kepler figured out the motions of planets (more spherical heavenly bodies – just like Earth) including the puzzle of retrograde motion almost a century before Newton’s Principia.

                  In 1543 Copernicus obliterated the geo-centric concept of the universe in a book that was banned by the Catholic Church; but even the previous Ptolemaic system posited a spherical Earth around which the Sun and the planets revolved.

                  In other words, flat Earth nincompoops want to take us back to the Fifteenth Century when God was in his heaven and if you don’t count plagues and pestilence, all was right with the world.

                • #59 by Anonymous on September 12, 2017 - 12:52 pm

                  No you didn’t and no it doesn’t.

                  You’re not fooling anyone.

              • #60 by Anonymous on September 12, 2017 - 5:17 am

                Keppler, Galileo, Newton and the rest of them were either Jesuits or Masons or aided and guided by them. Did you know the Vatican has a telescope called LUCIFER? Thank you for your work. The brainwashed masses are all having their souls controlled by the devil. They watch the TV and movies from Hollywood that is controlled by satan and his minions.

                • #61 by Anonymous on September 12, 2017 - 2:43 pm

                  yeah the devil made me do it all

        • #62 by Anonymous on September 12, 2017 - 8:45 am

          Sounds like Ryan, Matt and the two Johns got together and had a baby. They named it ………………

          • #63 by Anonymous on September 12, 2017 - 2:20 pm

            at least we will never have to worry about them having any grandchildren

          • #64 by Anonymous on September 13, 2017 - 11:46 pm

            Who are these people that you refer to? Do tell.

  20. #65 by Anonymous on September 11, 2017 - 8:09 pm

    The Jesuits in the days of Newton and Galileo acted very much like peer reviewers of scientific papers today. Kepler was also very close with the Jesuits in his day. They cannot be trusted as the Vatican to this day runs the largest pedophile operation in the entire world.

    • #66 by rollin 60s west coast on September 13, 2017 - 10:34 am

      Fullerton is a shit hole and has been for 20 years. Bra yo all get the fuck out if you can. Fuck all this shit homey.

      • #67 by Anonymous on September 13, 2017 - 7:02 pm

        GED or perhaps just a junkie with a keyboard who lost his way from the riverbed?

  21. #68 by Anonymous on September 13, 2017 - 3:24 pm

    Grissom’s son knew they murdered his dad. He came forward in 1999. There is so much fraud involved at NASA. The Apollo programs were all staged. No one ever left the atmosphere and in some cases, the launch pad. The sea landings with the module were accomplished by dumping it out the back of an aircraft over the ocean.

  22. #69 by Anonymous on September 13, 2017 - 8:16 pm

    Anonymous :
    You can’t seriously be this stupid.
    “True tides—changes in water level caused by the gravitational forces of the sun and moon—do occur in a semi-diurnal (twice daily) pattern on the Great Lakes.”
    Please stop talking about yourself in the third person.

    The great lakes don’t have tides. Joe is correct. The centimeter rise and fall of these water levels can be attributed to the properties of the atmospheric gasses and barometric pressure changes. There are no tides on these bodies of water. Now I’m not a die-hard flat earther but I certainly am questioning why these bodies of water don’t have tides when they’re very large and very deep and I certainly would like someone to shed some light on this maybe even Someone can explain it. I’m not buying everything we’ve been taught as children that’s for certain.

    • #70 by Anonymous on September 13, 2017 - 9:42 pm

      I stand corrected. You are that stupid.

      They do have tides. The tides may not be apparent (means you may not observe them, not that they don’t have them) due to things like wind, which is widely documented and accepted.

      Learn to read.

    • #71 by Anonymous on September 14, 2017 - 8:01 am

      What’s your point? The oceans have big tides, the Great Lakes have little tides – for purely scientific reasons. The Great Lakes are very small compared to the oceans, and comparatively very shallow – the deepest part of lake Erie is 200ft.

      Nature doesn’t act according to different rules in different places; therefore differences are always explainable sooner or later – as with the motions of the planets and the heliocentric solar system. You don’t get to use your own ignorance as an excuse for doubting what humans have already figured out using both deductive and inductive reasoning.

      (And citing a bunch of crackpot sources is a loser, too)

      The “atmospheric gasses” are all coming the proprietor of this blog.

      • #72 by Joe Imbriano on September 14, 2017 - 10:13 am

        The theoretical gravitational force of the moon cannot be strong enough to overcome the theoretical gravitational force of the earth or anything on it and cause tides. In order for any such thing to take place, the stronger force would have to yield to the weaker force. This is not observed.

        If it were true, the moon should strip all the water from the earth. You cannot have it both ways. Something else is causing the waters to rise and fall or the land masses to rise and fall on the waters. Since the great lakes do not have tides, it proves that another mechanism is at work.

        What you refer to as deductive and inductive reasoning is merely a Pavlovian trained, list verifying, Prussian educational model corrupted thought process rammed down your throat by years of rote repetition in a mind control facility with globes on every agent of the state’s (teachers) desk.

        You know just because someone was force fed lies through high school and they got really good at memorizing theories and doing theoretical math problems long enough to be given credentials, does not make them any more correct than anyone else. The entire educational system is built upon a foundation of abject lies from ranging from evolution, Newtonian physics, and we see the end result of which has yielded eugenics, atheism, and tyranny. You appear to staunchly defend the system. I will assure you that if you serve it, your lineage will not survive. You probably vaccinated your children and continue to irradiate them because the system says to. Serve it and you will lose it all.

        These mind control masters have an answer for everything even though the answers don’t make any sense. They still get parroted by the masses nonetheless. Enjoy your star wars, star trek, the nasa channel and all the other fantasies.

        We are in a closed system and when you die, you will meet The One who put you inside it and you will give an answer to Him. NASA is a cartel of luciferian, black magic, hollywood deception operatives which through pseudoscience, propagates the lies of evolution, and continues the age old waging of war on God.

        • #73 by Anonymous on September 14, 2017 - 10:38 am

          “We are in a closed system…”

          Well, you certainly are. How did you get all this nonsense past those science teachers who awarded you a degree?

        • #74 by Black Magic on September 14, 2017 - 11:56 am

          Are you kidding me? You freaking believe in magic?!

          Oh man, you can’t make this stuff up.

          • #75 by Anonymous on September 14, 2017 - 1:28 pm

            Of course. because black magic presupposes white magic. And that must be the sort God uses to keep everything going since there are no scientific explanations for anything.

            Everything is seemingly haphazard and random – unless God is holding everything together by some whim or other in our little upside down test tube.

            • #76 by Anonymous on September 15, 2017 - 3:32 am

              says the liberal atheist who has sex with his computer and obsesses over phallic delusions of grandeur and Joe

              • #77 by Anonymous on September 15, 2017 - 7:43 am

                Says the conservative who believes in gravity and science and stuff like that – not in little evil gnomes and fairies and a capricious god who randomly makes things up to bamboozle the little human bugs in his little glass jar – just to amuse himself.

  23. #78 by Anonymous on September 15, 2017 - 1:35 am

    “What you refer to as deductive and inductive reasoning is merely a Pavlovian trained, list verifying, Prussian educational model corrupted thought process rammed down your throat…”

    You sure are fixated on having things rammed down throats…

  24. #79 by Berean on September 21, 2017 - 8:14 pm

    A truly flat, enclosed earth that has been designed by, created by, as well as protected by God doesn’t fit Lucifer’s plan. He wants worship and he gets it by lies and deceit. He simply needed to figure out a way to get God out of the picture. This is God’s creation, His one true place of dwelling. Lucifer has successfully replaced it with a fake god (Lucifer), evolution and a heliocentric earth. NASA is 100 percent Satanic.

    • #80 by Anonymous on September 22, 2017 - 8:05 am

      The Bible says earth is flat, fixed and stable. There is no getting around that. Now the larger question is whether the Bible is true or not. Most people don’t give that question much though because they don’t care. Look how everyone lives their life. Look at what they fill their minds with. Look what their children fill their minds with. Is it any wonder that God has turned us over to be ruled over by evil leaders whose devices are killing us en masse? Look at the superstorms and earthquakes being caused by the government programs like HAARP. Look at the tsunami in Japan that was caused by a nuclear detonation in the trench off the coast of Japan.

  25. #81 by Joe Imbriano on September 22, 2017 - 9:59 am

    The Flat-Earth Bible
    by Robert J. Schadewald

    When I first became interested in the flat-earthers in the early 1970s, I was surprised to learn that flat-earthism in the English-speaking world is and always has been entirely based upon the Bible. I have since assembled and read an extensive collection of flat-earth literature. The Biblical arguments for flat-earthism that follow come mainly from my reading of flat-earth literature, augmented by my own reading of the Bible.

    Except among Biblical inerrantists, it is generally agreed that the Bible describes an immovable earth. At the 1984 National Bible-Science Conference in Cleveland, geocentrist James N. Hanson told me there are hundreds of scriptures that suggest the earth is immovable. I suspect some must be a bit vague, but here are a few obvious texts:

    1 Chronicles 16:30: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.”
    Psalm 93:1: “Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm …”
    Psalm 96:10: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable …”
    Psalm 104:5: “Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken.”
    Isaiah 45:18: “…who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast…”
    Suffice to say that the earth envisioned by flat-earthers is as immovable as any geocentrist could desire. Most (perhaps all) scriptures commonly cited by geocentrists have also been cited by flat-earthers. The flat-earth view is geocentricity with further restrictions.

    Like geocentrists, flat-earth advocates often give long lists of texts. Samuel Birley Rowbotham, founder of the modern flat-earth movement, cited 76 scriptures in the last chapter of his monumental second edition of Earth not a Globe. Apostle Anton Darms, assistant to the Reverend Wilbur Glenn Voliva, America’s best known flat-earther, compiled 50 questions about the creation and the shape of the earth, bolstering his answers with up to 20 scriptures each. Rather than presenting an exhaustive compendium of flat-earth scriptures, I focus on those which seem to me the strongest. I also comment on some attempts to find the earth’s sphericity in the Bible.

    Scriptural quotes, unless otherwise noted, are from the New English Bible. Hebrew and Greek translations are from Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible. The Biblical cosmology is never explicitly stated, so it must be pieced together from scattered passages. The Bible is a composite work, so there is no a priori reason why the cosmology assumed by its various writers should be relatively consistent, but it is. The Bible is, from Genesis to Revelation, a flat-earth book.

    This is hardly surprising. As neighbors, the ancient Hebrews had the Egyptians to the southwest and the Babylonians to the northeast. Both civilizations had flat-earth cosmologies. The Biblical cosmology closely parallels the Sumero-Babylonian cosmology, and it may also draw upon Egyptian cosmology.

    The Babylonian universe was shaped like a modern domed stadium. The Babylonians considered the earth essentially flat, with a continental mass surrounded by ocean. The vault of the sky was a physical object resting upon the ocean’s waters (and perhaps also upon pillars). Sweet (salt-free) waters below the Earth sometimes manifest themselves as springs. The Egyptian universe was also enclosed, but it was rectangular instead of round. Indeed, it was shaped much like an old-fashioned steamer trunk. (The Egyptians pictured the goddess Nut stretched across the sky as the enclosing dome.) What was the Hebrew view of the universe?

    The Order of Creation

    The Genesis creation story provides the first key to the Hebrew cosmology. The order of creation makes no sense from a conventional perspective but is perfectly logical from a flat-earth viewpoint. The earth was created on the first day, and it was “without form and void (Genesis 1:2).” On the second day, a vault the “firmament” of the King James version was created to divide the waters, some being above and some below the vault. Only on the fourth day were the sun, moon, and stars created, and they were placed “in” (not “above”) the vault.

    The Vault of Heaven

    The vault of heaven is a crucial concept. The word “firmament” appears in the King James version of the Old Testament 17 times, and in each case it is translated from the Hebrew word raqiya, which meant the visible vault of the sky. The word raqiya comes from riqqua, meaning “beaten out.” In ancient times, brass objects were either cast in the form required or beaten into shape on an anvil. A good craftsman could beat a lump of cast brass into a thin bowl. Thus, Elihu asks Job, “Can you beat out [raqa] the vault of the skies, as he does, hard as a mirror of cast metal (Job 37:18)?”

    Elihu’s question shows that the Hebrews considered the vault of heaven a solid, physical object. Such a large dome would be a tremendous feat of engineering. The Hebrews (and supposedly Yahweh Himself) considered it exactly that, and this point is hammered home by five scriptures:

    Job 9:8, “…who by himself spread out the heavens [shamayim]…”
    Psalm 19:1, “The heavens [shamayim] tell out the glory of God, the vault of heaven [raqiya] reveals his handiwork.”
    Psalm 102:25, “…the heavens [shamayim] were thy handiwork.”
    Isaiah 45:12, “I, with my own hands, stretched out the heavens [shamayim] and caused all their host to shine…”
    Isaiah 48:13, “…with my right hand I formed the expanse of the sky [shamayim]…”
    If these verses are about a mere illusion of a vault, they are surely much ado about nothing. Shamayim comes from shameh, a root meaning to be lofty. It literally means the sky. Other passages complete the picture of the sky as a lofty, physical dome. God “sits throned on the vaulted roof of earth [chuwg], whose inhabitants are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the skies [shamayim] like a curtain, he spreads them out like a tent to live in…[Isaiah 40:22].” Chuwg literally means “circle” or “encompassed.” By extension, it can mean roundness, as in a rounded dome or vault. Job 22:14 says God “walks to and fro on the vault of heaven [chuwg].” In both verses, the use of chuwg implies a physical object, on which one can sit and walk. Likewise, the context in both cases requires elevation. In Isaiah, the elevation causes the people below to look small as grasshoppers. In Job, God’s eyes must penetrate the clouds to view the doings of humans below. Elevation is also implied by Job 22:12: “Surely God is at the zenith of the heavens [shamayim] and looks down on all the stars, high as they are.”

    This picture of the cosmos is reinforced by Ezekiel’s vision. The Hebrew word raqiya appears five times in Ezekiel, four times in Ezekiel 1:22-26 and once in Ezekiel 10:1. In each case the context requires a literal vault or dome. The vault appears above the “living creatures” and glitters “like a sheet of ice.” Above the vault is a throne of sapphire (or lapis lazuli). Seated on the throne is “a form in human likeness,” which is radiant and “like the appearance of the glory of the Lord.” In short, Ezekiel saw a vision of God sitting throned on the vault of heaven, as described in Isaiah 40:22.

    The Shape of the Earth

    Disregarding the dome, the essential flatness of the earth’s surface is required by verses like Daniel 4:10-11. In Daniel, the king “saw a tree of great height at the centre of the earth…reaching with its top to the sky and visible to the earth’s farthest bounds.” If the earth were flat, a sufficiently tall tree would be visible to “the earth’s farthest bounds,” but this is impossible on a spherical earth. Likewise, in describing the temptation of Jesus by Satan, Matthew 4:8 says, “Once again, the devil took him to a very high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world [cosmos] in their glory.” Obviously, this would be possible only if the earth were flat. The same is true of Revelation 1:7: “Behold, he is coming with the clouds! Every eye shall see him…”

    The Celestial Bodies

    The Hebrews considered the celestial bodies relatively small. The Genesis creation story indicates the size and importance of the earth relative to the celestial bodies in two ways, first by their order of creation, and second by their positional relationships. They had to be small to fit inside the vault of heaven. Small size is also implied by Joshua 10:12, which says that the sun stood still “in Gibeon” and the moon “in the Vale of Aijalon.”

    Further, the Bible frequently presents celestial bodies as exotic living beings. For example, “In them [the heavens], a tent is fixed for the sun, who comes out like a bridegroom from his wedding canopy, rejoicing like a strong man to run his race. His rising is at one end of the heavens, his circuit touches their farthest ends; and nothing is hidden from his heat (Psalm 19:4-6).” The stars are anthropomorphic demigods. When the earth’s cornerstone was laid “the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted aloud (Job 38:7).” The morning star is censured for trying to set his throne above that of other stars:

    You thought in your own mind, I will scale the heavens; I will set my throne high above the stars of God, I will sit on the mountain where the gods meet in the far recesses of the north. I will rise high above the cloud-banks and make myself like the most high (Isaiah 14:13-14).
    Deuteronomy 4:15-19 recognizes the god-like status of stars, noting that they were created for other peoples to worship.

    Stars can fall from the skies according to Daniel 8:10 and Matthew 24:29. The same idea is found in the following extracts from Revelation 6:13-16:

    …the stars in the sky fell to the earth, like figs shaken down by a gale; the sky vanished, as a scroll is rolled up…they called out to the mountains and the crags, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of the One who sits on the throne…”
    This is consistent with the Hebrew cosmology previously described, but it is ludicrous in the light of modern astronomy. If one star let alone all the stars in the sky “fell” on the earth, no one would be hollering from any mountain or crag. The writer considered the stars small objects, all of which could fall to the earth without eradicating human life. He also viewed the sky as a physical object. The stars are inside the sky, and they fall before the sky opens. When it is whisked away, it reveals the One throned above (see Isaiah 40:22).

    Weaker Arguments

    Flat-earthers also offer some scriptural arguments that are (in my view) weak, ambiguous, erroneous, or irrelevant. (Ironically, it is these that apologists for sphericity usually choose to deal with in their rebuttals to the flat-earthers!) The weak and ambiguous arguments can help support a cumulative picture but are insufficient on their own.

    One of the weaker scriptural arguments is that the sky literally has openings (windows) which God can open to let the waters above fall to the surface as rain (see Genesis 7:11, Genesis 8:2, Isaiah 24:18-19, Jeremiah 51:15-16, and Malachi 3:10). While the idea and scriptures are certainly consistent with the flat-earth cosmology, they could (for instance) refer to openings in a spherical shell surrounding a spherical earth. The same applies to the Tower of Babel story in Genesis 11:4, often cited as an attempt to literally reach the heavens.

    Likewise, flat-earthers frequently cite the numerous Old Testament verses referring to the earth’s foundations (see 2 Samuel 22:16, Job 38:4, Psalm 18:15, Proverbs 8:29, Isaiah 24:18, and numerous others). Foundations are, however, fairly well-covered by geocentricity. No one would argue for a flat-earth solely on the basis of “foundations” quotes.

    Another less-than-conclusive argument that the Bible is a flat-earth book is its references to the earth’s “corners.” For example, “After this, I saw four angels stationed at the four corners [gonia] of the earth holding back the four winds…(Revelation 7:1).” Spherical apologists are quick to point out that the Greek gonia can refer to regions rather than points. Most translations of the Bible opt for points (the King James version says “on the corners of the earth”), implying that the writer viewed the habitable earth as a four-cornered area. (This was indeed the way many early churchmen interpreted it [Cosmas, 548]. The modern flat-earth model doesn’t have literal corners.) The corners could, however, be those regions at the ends of the earth referred to by Jeremiah: “[H]e brings up the mist from the ends of the earth, he opens rifts for the rain and brings the wind out of his storehouses (Jeremiah 51:16).” We shall return to the ends of the earth.

    The Biblical view of the universe is relatively clear and consistent. Biblical statements bearing on cosmology are (with one possible exception yet to be discussed) consistent with the well-known flat-earth cosmologies of the ancient Near East, but they are often flatly contradicted by modern science. How do spherical apologists reply?

    Spherical Apologetics

    Those who claim Biblical support for a spherical earth typically ignore this forest of consistency and focus on one or two aberrant trees. Some take refuge in audacity. Henry Morris, president of the Institute for Creation Research, cites one of the more explicitly flat-earth verses in the Old Testament Isaiah 40:22, the “grasshopper” verse quoted earlier as evidence for the sphericity of the earth. Quoting the King James version “he sitteth upon the circle of the earth” Morris ignores the context and the grasshoppers and claims “circle” should read “sphericity” or “roundness” [1956, 8]. This divide and conquer strategy is poor scholarship and worse logic.

    Heroic efforts have been made by apologists to explain away the firmament, which encloses the celestial bodies, has waters above it, and is a masterpiece proving the Creator’s craftsmanship. The late Harold W. Armstrong argued that it is empty Newtonian space, and that the “waters above” still surround the edges of the universe, though perhaps not in liquid form [1979, 26]. This simply ignores difficulties and invents evidence. Gerardus Bouw tried to identify the firmament as a mathematical plenum [1987]. In my view, it is a grave error to reinterpret ancient documents to force their authors to speak with modern voices. Gary Zukov [1979] and Fritjof Capra [1976], for instance, read modern physics into the teachings of eastern mysticism. I consider all such attempts equally suspect.

    Perhaps the scripture most frequently offered as evidence of the earth’s sphericity is the King James version of Job 26:7, “He stretcheth out the north [tsaphon] over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing [beliymah].” (The New English Bible translates it, “God spreads the canopy of the sky over chaos and suspends earth in the void.”) It is not clear what this means. The Hebrew tsaphon literally meant hidden or dark, and it was used in reference to the northern regions. Beliymah literally means “nothing.” That would contradict all of the scriptures which say the earth rests on foundations, but that interpretation is not necessary. We will return to Job 26:7 later.

    Speaking of foundations, Gerardus Bouw, in an undated paper entitled “The Form of the Earth,” cites a barrage of scriptures about the foundations of the earth or world as evidence for sphericity. All (or nearly all) of these verses have traditionally been used by flat-earthers to prove the earth flat. If one views the earth as an architectural structure with floor, curtain walls, and a roof, it is natural to assume it has foundations (and, I might add, a cornerstone). Why a sphere would have foundations escapes me. Bouw’s argument that these scriptures refer to the earth’s core seems strained at best. Also strained is Bouw’s interpretation of “the ends of the earth” as the points most distant from Jerusalem, and his identification of the Chukchi Peninsula of the Soviet Union, Alaska, Cape Horn, and the southeastern tip of Australia as the “four corners” of the earth.

    Bouw’s most interesting argument for sphericity is based on the gospel of Luke. He compares the King James version of Luke 17:31 and 17:34. The former says “In that day, he which shall be upon the house top…” and the latter “in that night there shall be two men in one bed…” (italics added). Bouw then cites 1 Corinthians 15:52 to argue that the events are simultaneous, claiming simultaneity is possible only on a spherical earth. First of all, the latter claim is wrong. The modern (though not the ancient) flat-earth model has day and night occurring simultaneously at different points on earth. Second, the Greek hemera was used much like the English “day.” It could mean the daylight hours, a 24-hour day, or (figuratively) an epoch of unspecified length. Third, Luke appears to have been writing figuratively, and citing Paul to prove otherwise begs the question.

    One more spherical argument deserves notice. The 1985 National Creation Conference in Cleveland ended with a formal debate on the relative merits of heliocentricity and geocentricity. Richard Niessen of Christian Heritage College, defending the Copernican view, remarked that the Bible teaches a spherical earth because it treats north and south as absolutes, but east and west as relative. As evidence of the latter, he cited Psalm 103:12 which says, “As far as the east is from the west, so far has he put our offences from us.” Again, the modern flat-earth model holds that north and south are absolutes, but east and west are relative. In the ancient flat-earth model, however, east and west were about as far apart as you could get, which seems to be the image Psalm 103:12 was intended to invoke.

    In my view, all arguments to prove the Bible teaches a spherical earth are weak if not wrong- headed. On the other hand, the flat-earth cosmology previously described is historically consistent and requires none of the special pleading apparently necessary to harmonize the Bible with sphericity.

    The Book of Enoch

    The cosmology previously described is derived from the Bible itself, following the 19th century flat-earthers. Some of the evidence is more ambiguous than we would like. Ambiguities in ancient documents can often be elucidated by consulting contemporary documents. The most important ancient document describing Hebrew cosmology is 1 Enoch (sometimes called the Ethiopic Book of Enoch), one of those long, disjointed, scissors and paste jobs beloved by ancient scribes. For a dozen or so centuries, European scholars knew 1 Enoch only from numerous passages preserved in the patristic literature. In 1773, the Scottish adventurer James Bruce found complete copies in Ethiopia.

    Numerous manuscripts of 1 Enoch have since been found in Ethiopian monasteries. Turn of the century scholars concluded that parts of the book are pre-Maccabean, and most (perhaps all) of it was composed by 100 B.C. [Charles, 1913]. These conclusions were largely vindicated when numerous fragments of 1 Enoch were found among the so-called Dead Sea Scrolls at Qumran. There have been two major English translations of 1 Enoch, the 1913 translation of R. H. Charles and the 1983 translation by E. Isaac. All of the quotations that follow come from the newer translation.

    The importance of 1 Enoch is poorly appreciated outside the scholarly community. Comparison of its text with New Testament books reveals that many Enochian doctrines were taken over by early Christians. E. Isaac writes:

    There is little doubt that 1 Enoch was influential in molding New Testament doctrines concerning the nature of the Messiah, the Son of Man, the messianic kingdom, demonology, the future, resurrection, final judgment, the whole eschatological theater, and symbolism. No wonder, therefore, that the book was highly regarded by many of the apostolic and Church Fathers [1986, 10].

    The cosmos as described in the book of Enoch.
    Picture © 1992 by Robert Schadewald.
    First Enoch influenced Matthew, Luke, John, Acts, Romans, and several other New Testament books. The punishment of the fallen angels described in 2 Peter seems to come directly from 1 Enoch, as does much of the imagery (or even wording) in Revelation. The Epistle of Jude contains the most dramatic evidence of its influence when it castigates “enemies of religion” as follows:

    It was to them that Enoch, the seventh in descent from Adam, directed his prophecy when he said: “I saw the Lord come with his myriads of angels, to bring all men to judgment and to convict all the godless of all the godless deeds they had committed, and of all the defiant words which godless sinners had spoken against him (Jude 14- 15).”
    The inner quote, 1 Enoch 1:9, is found in the original Hebrew on a recently-published Qumran fragment [Shanks, 1987, 18]. By attributing prophecy to Enoch, Jude confers inspired status upon the book.

    First Enoch is important for another reason. Unlike the canonical books of the Bible, which (in my view) were never meant to teach science, sections of 1 Enoch were intended to describe the natural world. The narrator sometimes sounds like a 2nd century B.C. Carl Sagan explaining the heavens and earth to the admiring masses. The Enochian cosmology is precisely the flat-earth cosmology previously derived from the canonical books.

    The Ends of the Earth

    The angel Uriel guided Enoch in most of his travels. They made several trips to the ends of the earth, where the dome of heaven came down to the surface. For instance, Enoch says:

    I went to the extreme ends of the earth and saw there huge beasts, each different from the other and different birds (also) differing from one another in appearance, beauty, and voice. And to the east of those beasts, I saw the ultimate ends of the earth which rests on the heaven. And the gates of heaven were open, and I saw how the stars of heaven come out…(1 Enoch 33:1-2).
    (The sharp-eyed reader will note what I suspect is an editing error in the Isaac translation. The earth resting on the heaven makes no sense. R. H. Charles has “whereon the heaven rests.”)

    Again, Enoch says, “I went in the direction of the north, to the extreme ends of the earth, and there at the extreme end of the whole world I saw a great and glorious seat. There (also) I saw three open gates of heaven; when it blows cold, hail, frost, snow, dew, and rain, through each one of the (gates) the winds proceed in the northwesterly direction (1 Enoch 34:1-2).” This accords well with Jeremiah 51:16 which says, “he brings up the mist from the ends of the earth, he opens rifts for the rain and brings the wind out of his storehouses.” In subsequent chapters, Enoch journeys “to the extreme ends of the earth” in the west, south, and east. In each place he saw three more “open gates of heaven.”

    There were other things to be seen at the ends of the earth. Earlier, we deferred discussion of the King James version of Job 26:7, “He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.” On several occasions when Enoch and the angel are out beyond the dome of heaven, Enoch comments that there is nothing above or below. For instance, “And I came to an empty place. And I saw (there) neither a heaven above nor an earth below, but a chaotic and terrible place (1 Enoch 21:1-2).” Could this be the kind of nothingness referred to in Job?

    An angel also showed Enoch the storerooms of the winds (18:1) and the cornerstone of the earth (18:2).

    The Sun and Moon

    And what of the sun and moon? Psalm 19:4-6 (quoted earlier) suggest that the sun holes up at the ends of the earth until it is time to rise. Enoch expands upon this idea. In 1 Enoch 41:5, he “saw the storerooms of the sun and the moon, from what place they go out and to which place they return…” Further, “they keep faith one with another: in accordance with an oath they set and they rise.”

    Enoch discusses the solar and lunar motions at length, explaining why the apparent azimuths of their rising and setting varies with the season. The explanation, found in the section called “The Book of the Heavenly Luminaries,” begins thus:

    This is the first commandment of the luminaries: The sun is a luminary whose egress is an opening of heaven, which is (located) in the direction of the east, and whose ingress is (another) opening of heaven, (located) in the west. I saw six openings through which the sun rises and six openings through which it sets. The moon also rises and sets through the same openings, and they are guided by the stars; together with those whom they lead, they are six in the east and six in the west heaven. All of them (are arranged) one after another in a constant order. There are many windows (both) to the right and the left of these openings. First there goes out the great light whose name is the sun; its roundness is like the roundness of the sky; and it is totally filled with light and heat. The chariot in which it ascends is (driven by) the blowing wind. The sun sets in the sky (in the west) and returns by the northeast in order to go to the east; it is guided so that it shall reach the eastern gate and shine in the face of the sky (1 Enoch 72:2-5).
    The openings in the vault of heaven in the east and west are matched to the seasons. On the longest day of the year, the sun rises and sets through the northernmost pair. On the shortest day, it rises and sets through the southernmost pair. The return routes of the sun and moon are outside the dome. Perhaps they rest in their “storerooms” during their time off.

    The Stars

    Like the Bible, 1 Enoch typically depicts stars as living, anthropomorphic beings. The Sons of the Gods are also dealt with in 1 Enoch, and they are associated with stars. This is consistent with Job 38:7, which says that when the earth’s cornerstone was laid “the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted aloud.”

    As mentioned earlier, Matthew 24:29 and Revelation 6:13 deal with stars that fall to earth. The image comes from Enoch, but Matthew and John omit some details. In 1 Enoch 88:1, a star that fell from the sky is seized, bound hand and foot, and thrown into an abyss. A few verses later, other stars “whose sexual organs were like the organs of horses” are likewise bound hand and foot and cast “into the pits of the earth (1 Enoch 88:3).”

    Most stars just go through their motions night after night. Some stars never set, and Enoch was shown their chariots (1 Enoch 75:8). Stars that do rise and set do so through openings in dome, just like the sun and moon. God, according to 1 Enoch, runs a tight universe, and stars that do not rise on time are thrown into the celestial slammer. Showing Enoch a hellish scene, the angel Uriel explains:

    This place is the (ultimate) end of heaven and earth: it is the prison house for the stars and the powers of heaven. And the stars which roll over upon the fire, they are the ones which have transgressed the commandments of God from the beginning of their rising because they did not arrive punctually (1 Enoch 18:14-15).
    Enoch was not told the sentence for tardy rising, but Uriel later shows him other stars “which have transgressed the commandments of the Lord,” for which they were doing ten million years of hard time (1 Enoch 21:6). Enoch also was shown an even more terrible place, a fiery prison house where fallen angels were detained forever (1 Enoch 21:10).

    1 Enoch deserves study for its cosmology, but there is much more of interest. It profoundly influenced Christian eschatology, and it is necessary reading for anyone trying to understand Hebrew religious thought at the dawn of the Christian era.


    From their geographical and historical context, one would expect the ancient Hebrews to have a flat-earth cosmology. Indeed, from the very beginning, ultra-orthodox Christians have been flat-earthers, arguing that to believe otherwise is to deny the literal truth of the Bible. The flat-earth implications of the Bible were rediscovered and popularized by English-speaking Christians in the mid-19th century. Liberal scriptural scholars later derived the same view. Thus, students with remarkably disparate points of view independently concluded that the ancient Hebrews had a flat-earth cosmology, often deriving this view from scripture alone. Their conclusions were dramatically confirmed by the rediscovery of 1 Enoch.


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