Another Eventful Night at the Fullerton City Council Meeting. By Barry Levinson


Another Eventful Night at the Fullerton City Council Meeting.   By Barry Levinson

Barry Levinson

Barry Levinson

It seems that the Police Officer’s Bill of Rights (POBOR) is precluding an honest discussion about the OIR report leaked last summer. For the fourth council meeting in a row, I tried to get some elected or appointed city official to speak on the leaked OIR report entitled the “Internal Affairs Investigative Report Into the In-custody Death of Kelly Thomas” by Michael Gennaco and Stephen Walsh dated April 2012.

The conclusions of this report issued in April 2012 well over a year before the start of the criminal trial of Ramos and Cincinelli, contradicts the sworn testimony of Fullerton Police Department Training Officer, Corporal Stephen Rubio and Fullerton Police Department Sergeant Kevin Craig.  They both testified that they saw no major violations of the Fullerton Police Department Policy and Procedure Manual during the brutal beating death of Kelly Thomas and the subsequent police response to his injuries.

I guess serious unexplained conflicts between the testimony of two FPD officers and Mr. Gennaco’s findings, which were supposed to be the basis for Police Chief Danny Hughes to reform his department, as far as we know will not be dealt with by our current Police Chief, Dan Hughes.

Fullerton Police Chief Dan Hughes talks about his career and the challenges the department faces. Photo by Steven Georges/Behind the Badge OC

Fullerton Police Chief Dan Hughes

This information has been out in the public since this summer and then I have brought this directly to the last four City Council meetings.  Police Chief Dan Hughes I believe was the recipient of this report way back in April 2012, three and one-half years ago.  Yet Police Chief Hughes apparently refuses to address the fact that his training officer and supervisor of the year in 2013

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testified that as far as the Fullerton Police Department policies and procedures, Ramos and Cincinelli did no wrong the night of July 5, 2011.

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It should not have to be my job or any other activist citizen’s job to ensure that we have a city run based on doing what is best for the residents of Fullerton.  Yet time and time again, if not for Joe Imbriano, myself and a very few others, the sordid facts in so many instances would have remained buried just like Kelly Thomas.

I strongly believe that POBAR is interfering with city government’s fiduciary responsibility to the people of Fullerton.  Gennaco and Walsh conclude that the key officers involved in the savage beating death of Kelly Thomas the night of July 5, 2011 did in fact break numerous FPD Policies and Procedures that night.

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Before I get into any more specifics, I need to explain what is meant by fiduciary responsibility.  The Webster’s definition of fiduciary is as follows: Of, or relating to, or involving a confidence or trust, i.e. one that holds a fiduciary relation or acts in a fiduciary capacity.  Based on that definition what responsibilities does a city council member, a city manager or a police chief have to the people of Fullerton as their elected and appointed representatives?  It means that those individuals have a duty to protect the city of Fullerton from any harm whether it is a financial or safety or health related danger.  Therefore anything that is related to the city of Fullerton with regard to all those broad issues, they have a fiduciary obligation to mitigate those dangers for the people living and working within our city borders.  But the so-called protections afforded all law enforcement officers both good and bad, supercede the people’s right to know and the people’s right to be safe from the very people they pay to serve and protect.

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So with that discussion of a fiduciary relationship, our city leaders have to the city and its citizens let’s continue with the discussion concerning the leaked Gennaco report.

The council’s coerced silence due to POBAR in my opinion aids and abets the efforts of those dismissed/fired officers in their claims that they were wrongly terminated. The expert opinion of the OIR Group was that many FPD Policies and Procedures were in fact not followed. Therefore it follows that those officers have no legal justification to either get their jobs back or instead receive millions of dollars in settlement money so that they can live out the rest of their lives like kings for brutally beating to death an innocent man.  The words, innocent man, are not mine, but the words of Fullerton Police Chief Dan Hughes.  The unfair and biased protections afforded by POBOR places Fullerton residents at additional risk to either pay those correctly dismissed/fired officers huge amounts of settlement money or worse put them back on the streets of Fullerton with all the power and control of any law enforcement officer.  Question:  Could that have been the plan of the FPD all along?  That Ramos, Cincinelli, and Wolfe quietly leave their jobs leaving any possible FPD skeletons buried with the assurance that the City of Fullerton would take care of them in the end.  It is just a theory on my part, but one that makes a whole lot of sense.  After all it is a matter of record that numerous FPD officers have abused the badge and disgraced this city.

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But there is another risk that this silence also aids and abets.   You cannot expect to correct past mistakes when there is no acknowledgement or even agreement by Training Officer Rubio and Sergeant Craig that FPD polices and procedures were actually broken numerous times on the night of July 5, 2011.  Does anyone have an issue with a police chief that has two officers still in positions of power, one a supervisor and one a trainer, that have suffered no known negative consequences for their sworn testimony that Ramos and Cincinelli broke no FPD procedures and/or policies?  Here is a question that Police Chief Hughes will never answer. Why Police Chief Dan Hughes did you get rid of Ramos, Cincinelli and Wolfe and promise the Fullerton pubic that you would never rehire them, if according to your 2013 Supervisor of the Year, Craig and your Training Officer Rubio, they followed FPD policies and procedures the night of July 5, 2011.  Either they broke the rules and deserved to be fired or they did not and deserve to be rehired.  Chief Hughes if you say you will never rehire those officers they must have by definition have broken some of the FPD rules as claimed by the OIR report.  Therefore, you must believe that the testimony of Rubio and Craig was in part erroneous?  We the people of Fullerton deserve answers from the police chief who promised his tenure would be based on open and transparent communication from the FPD to the public.

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In summary, was the 2013 FPD Supervisor of the Year and the FPD’s Training Officer given what appears to be a complete pass by our police chief for their comments under oath.   The OIR Group gave example after example after example to completely refute the officers testimony that Ramos and Cincinelli basically followed the Fullerton Police Department polices and procedures on the night of July 5, 2011.  This lack of action by our police chief I believe sends a bad message to the members of the FPD.  What message does it send to the members of the Fullerton public?  The message it quite loud and clear and it states the following:  That there is much unfinished business within the FPD before any objective observer can claim all is now well with this department. A police department still under this cloud of suspicion will never have the trust and respect necessary for any law enforcement agency to be an effective arm of our city government.

 

I report, you decide.

  1. #1 by Fullerton Lover on November 10, 2015 - 12:00 pm

    Sounds like the title of a book…

    “Daniel and the Den of Thieves”

    http://www.answers.com/Q/What_does_the_saying_den_of_thieves_mean

  2. #2 by Joe Imbriano on November 10, 2015 - 12:43 pm

    The good citizens of Fullerton thank you Barry and so do I.

  3. #3 by Reality Is on November 10, 2015 - 2:30 pm

    Oh I see now. You are acknowledging POBAR now and you are spelling it right now too.

    Let me help you some more.

    Numerous times in use of force incidents you will have differing opinions on if it violates policy and to what degree, sometimes all the way from the chief down to the officer that used it. That’s why police have a multi million dollar legal defense fund at their beckon call to fight any discipline if needed.

    So in this case, two officers or supervisors gave their opinion as to how this case was within policy. Gennaco said out of policy. Chief said middle ground.

    This is what will be said in the civil trial as well. Exact same thing. Experts will be hired from both sides saying this same thing.

    It won’t be perjury on either side. In the criminal or civil trial.

    Force is never cut and dry as you say or think. That’s why police work is not cut and dry or black and white. It never will be.

    This trial will be fun. See you there. 🙂

    • #4 by Barry Levinson on November 10, 2015 - 4:54 pm

      Here we go again having Reality Is responding to my above article.

      One more time for the very challenged Realilty Is.

      If Police Chief Dan Hughes believed that Ramos, Cincinelli and Wolfe broke no FPD rules, he would not have fired them. It is that simple and all the double and triple speak of Reality Is will not change that REALITY!

      Let’s try to follow the convoluted story line of Reality Is. According to RI, the FPD training officer is not an expert on FPD policies and procedures but only offered a layman’s opinion at trial, nothing more and nothing less. He has and will continue to teach all the other FPD officers about the FPD policies and procedures but anyone off the street could do this according to RI, because he is no expert on that subject.

      RI keep up the great job you are doing making it easier for me to prove my points with your always insipid comments from left field. You really are assisting me in highlighting the many problems with the FPD.

      • #5 by Reality Is on November 10, 2015 - 6:02 pm

        Exactly right. You finally nailed it. Congrats.

        Reading a policy is exactly that. Reading words. If you put up actual examples or videos, you would get varying opinions on how that incident fits into various policies within each police department.

        Thanks for confirming what I said.

        Love,

        Reality Is

      • #6 by Reality Is on November 10, 2015 - 6:06 pm

        If only everything was so simple like you try to make people believe, we wouldn’t even need courts or arbitration or anything. It would be just as simple as having a policy or rule and there being no question as to interpretation. Could you imagine? We wouldn’t even need courts anymore! We wouldn’t even need Supreme Court decisions anymore. Could you imagine? If only the world as Barry makes it seem.

        By the way, did you see the supreme courts 8-1 decision today? Yep, they interpreted it just perfect. But in your world their opinions don’t matter because in court interpretations and opinions aren’t allowed.

        Lol 🙂

    • #7 by Fullerton Lover on February 13, 2016 - 9:07 am

      Q: How do you know when the Chief of Police is lying?

      A: When his lips are moving!

      Read on…

      http://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-ln-sheriff-lee-baca-interview-false-statement-20160213-htmlstory.html

  4. #8 by Fullerton - The Cesspool City on November 10, 2015 - 7:21 pm

    It seems that Dan Hughes has a real credibility problem. He is Pat McKinley with a smiley face. Clearly, the first thing that must happen in order to rid ourselves of the corruption throughout Fullerton city hall is to replace Dan Hughes and Joe Felz. For if anyone did not yet know, Mr. Felz is the boss man who calls all the shots for the city of Fullerton and that is a really, really, bad thing for the common folks of Fullerton.

  5. #9 by Anonymous on November 10, 2015 - 9:40 pm

    Police Chief Hughes’ position should be an elected one, for he is the biggest political animal in our city. After every public statement, he should have to say this was a paid for political announcement by your totally political animal police chief.

    As far as that PR propaganda rag, Fullerton Police News (paid for by the taxpayers), I have only one thing to say….you have to tell the truth to gain any credibility Mr. Police Chief.

    • #10 by Reality Is on November 10, 2015 - 9:51 pm

      What you both just said was said over and over and over after the Kelly incident. Joe kept his job. Danny was promoted to his job. Danny is a politician for sure. Says what you want to hear. Joe F also. They are both smooth. Tony B and his boys tried everything possible to get both of them out and failed. Retirement will come soon for both of them.

      • #11 by Anonymous on November 11, 2015 - 8:34 pm

        Smooth? How about very rough and sloppy? You read up on the Brea dam and tell me how smooth Felz is. Get a clue. These people are unbelievable.

  6. #12 by Anonymous on November 11, 2015 - 7:55 pm

    Very provocative article. Makes you wonder what else they are trying to get away with since no one is looking.

  7. #13 by Fullerton- The Cesspool City on November 11, 2015 - 8:59 pm

    You heard of the teflon Don. Has Dan Hughes been the teflon Dan up until now? Is that streak of incredible good luck allowing him to get away with so much here in Fullerton about to change for the teflon Dan? If he finally reaps what he has sown, the answer is an empathic Yes.

    • #14 by Reality Is on November 11, 2015 - 9:02 pm

      Like I said. If you have something new on Dan, that is possible. All I see is old things that council and city leaders past and present have supported him on. There is nothing I have seen thus far that could run him out. Actually he will never be fired. He will retire before that.

  8. #15 by Anonymous on November 11, 2015 - 9:47 pm

    Reality Is just might be part of the PR machine for the FPD. Example after example of FPD abuses under PC Hughes as well as Captain Hughes that he hopes the readers will somehow ignore. The party is over. Kelly Thomas, Brea Dam, all the water deception and corruption, DCCSP, College Town, the laughable trolley plan and a host of other scams and schemes. I think there is so much corruption finally coming to the surface all at once, that Uncle Joe and Dan are going down for the count or maybe they will throw an underling or two under the bus to take the blame for there malfeasance. Please stay tuned for the fireworks show is just getting started and then Dan, Joe and even RI will really have something to be worried about very, very soon.

    • #16 by Reality Is..... on November 12, 2015 - 8:57 am

      Dreams are good. Dreams are fun. Dreams make life worth living. Keep dreaming. DannyBoy is locked in solid. You will never run him out for anything in the past. He’s protected. I will say this. At some point in the near future, DannyBoy maxes out on his retirement for life. That time is coming soon. Joe Feliz is also almost ready to retire. If you catch them at the right time, you may just be able to push them into retirement. Until then, neither one is going anywhere. Joe F survived the Kelly phase, along with the attempted city council purchase by Tony Bushala. DannyBoy was the direct first line supervisor during the Kelly incident and he got promoted. They both survived when the pressure was hot. There is nothing you can do now to move them off their pedestal. Retirement is the only thing in your corner. But watch and mark my word. Danny’s right hand man will be the next Chief. Joe F also has a right hand man ready to move in. Can you make this not happen? Prove it to me. If you do it, I’ll believe more of what you say. If they just transition, then everything I’ve said is proven true.

      Watch out for the reality. Reality is tough sometimes.

      🙂

      • #17 by Anonymous on November 12, 2015 - 9:14 am

        RI admits that as soon as Hughes and Felz reach their top pension they are out of here. In other words, he is admitting that all they care about is themselves. Not exactly the definition of good public servants but it does fit the definition of a corrupt, selfish group of arrogant bureaucrats.

        • #18 by Reality Is..... on November 12, 2015 - 9:17 am

          Well. Maybe a little bit. But in the PERS system once you max out your retirement benefits, there is no benefit to sticking around. It just costs yourself and the city extra money. He can go get another job when he retires that isn’t PERS, and get his $20,000 a month retirement, along with a job that pays the same. I mean is that a dream or what? Joe is all set too. DannyBoy might even be able to work it out where he stays an extra year, collecting his pension, and he can work under PERS for a year more and save the city money because they won’t have to pay retirement, medical, etc.

          • #19 by Fullerton - The Cesspool City on November 12, 2015 - 9:36 am

            RI is explaining to all of you on this site that the 3% a year after 30 years at 50 years of age or at lest 90% of your last years pay for life is a total scam. They are not retiring at all. They are retiring to collect 90% of their pay from the hardworking taxpayers so they can get another job and an additional paycheck. IN addition a very suspiciously large percentage of them claim disability which makes half of their huge pension TAX FREE. What a fraud? We the taxpayers bust our buts for them, give them an incredible pension -package and many of them do not even want to pay taxes on that money. What a total racket this is? And yet Fitzgerald, Flory and Chaffee just voted to give the rank and file police officers a 6% raise next year which will also be offered to the police management group as well.

            • #20 by Reality Is on November 12, 2015 - 10:25 am

              It’s not a total scam. It is nice though. They now pay their 9% contribution as well. 3% at 50 is very nice. But like I say, that retirement system is the system of the state. Yea disability is 50 50. I think it’s a scam for some but also the job is tough and people get hurt and injury is part of that job. Carrying 50-75 extra pounds everyday will impact any humans knees and back. The system has been changed now for new cops too. Most are 2.5% at 55 and a variation like that statewide. 6% pay raise seems fair. Cost of living and I’m sure Fullertons raises and decreases were consistent with other cities and agencies during the downtimes. Have to be fair and competitive or Fullerton will just become a short term stop for cops.

              • #21 by anonymous on November 13, 2015 - 6:33 am

                “Have to be fair and competitive or Fullerton will just become a short term stop for cops.”

                Perhaps and all things considered, maybe Fullerton would be just as well off if we were a short term stop for cops. Fullerton might be a known deterrent for honest cops looking for employment.

                • #22 by Reality Is..... on November 13, 2015 - 9:13 am

                  Why do you say that? Because of a few incidents of note the last 10 years? What about the last 4 years? You can’t bring anything up at all but you continue to complain how bad they are?

                  • #23 by anonymous on November 13, 2015 - 12:48 pm

                    You sound desperate, pleading.

                    • #24 by Reality Is on November 13, 2015 - 11:18 pm

                      No. Just realistic. So much passion must have something recent behind it.

                  • #25 by Anonymous on November 13, 2015 - 6:23 pm

                    RI keeps on repeating the BIG LIE that nothing bad has happened under Police Chief Dan Hughes.

                    Two officers perjured themselves under oath.
                    Bair is gone and the city paid 550,000 to make sure that the sordid details did not get confirmed at a trial.
                    A Fullerton officer was arrested for abusing his nephew.
                    Danny boy was the supervising officer of the 6 thugs who participated in the brutal beating death an innocent man.
                    Etc, etc. etc.
                    This is what RI calls nothing. I call him a big nothing. Nothing in the way of honesty, truth or integrity. Like I said a really BIG NOTHING.

                    • #26 by Reality Is on November 13, 2015 - 11:19 pm

                      Lol lol lol

                      Like I said. Fullerton is doing a great job. I’m a great Chief.

                      Love,

                      DanyBoy

                    • #27 by anonymous on November 14, 2015 - 7:05 am

                      RI is trying very hard to sway people, and to get them to accept the lies and corruption as business as usual.

                      He is desperate.

                    • #28 by Reality Is on November 14, 2015 - 8:39 pm

                      Desperate? Really? Lol nothing to be desperate about. Showing you over and over that you have nothing current to complain about. Nothing. All old things that have been disciplined and completed. City is doing good work. Just ask around. Look at council meetings. Quiet. A few normal grumblers. Anytime the only thing the grumblers can talk about that is years old means the city and police are doing a great job.

                      We need a big event again. Give you some ammo. Something current.

              • #29 by Anonymous on November 14, 2015 - 1:11 pm

                Fullerton is a shit hole with thugs in every corner of the sandbox. Go get em Joe. Fuck these fools and fuck these phonies like Royce and all his crony dipshits.

                • #30 by Joe Imbriano on November 15, 2015 - 9:34 am

                  While I may agree with the point, I certainly don’t approve of the vocab, Come on now. There are other ways to make your point

              • #31 by Anonymous on December 19, 2015 - 7:20 am

                “RI is explaining to all of you on this site that the 3% a year after 30 years at 50 years of age or at lest 90% of your last years pay for life is a total scam. They are not retiring at all. They are retiring to collect 90% of their pay from the hardworking taxpayers so they can get another job and an additional paycheck. IN addition a very suspiciously large percentage of them claim disability which makes half of their huge pension TAX FREE. What a fraud!”

                http://www.ocregister.com/articles/disability-368870-police-retirement.html

            • #32 by Anonymous on November 12, 2015 - 1:10 pm

              Case in point…

              The assistant baseball Coach at Sunny Hills High school who manages to throw batting practice for hours at a time pretty well, is supposed to somehow be classified as a disabled LA police officer?

              He even parks his big red truck daily in the spot marked as “disabled only” at the school near the baseball field.

              And don’t forget taxpayers, “Coach Bill’s” disability check from the LA police department is TAX FREE for life.

              http://transparentcalifornia.com/pensions/2014/los-angeles-fire-and-police-employees-pension/william-a-johnson/

              • #33 by Reality Is..... on November 12, 2015 - 2:31 pm

                Maybe ask him what his disability is? PTSD is a common one for cops that have seen major traumatic situations or been in shootings. Could be back. Or other things. I know many that have had numerous back surgeries. They appear pretty normal but a Doctor will never allow them to do the job again because the wrong impact could paralyze them for life. So before you bash baseball Bill, you might want to ask him what happened. Just a though. I know if it was you, you wouldn’t appreciate someone assuming you are fine and perfect, when in fact you are nothing near perfect.

                • #34 by Fullerton Lover on November 12, 2015 - 6:59 pm

                  If he is using a disabled parking spot, why is he able to throw batting practice for two hours?

                  Do they issue disabled placards at the DMV for PTSD?

                  • #35 by Reality Is on November 12, 2015 - 10:08 pm

                    They issue disabled placards for anything that a Doctor says to issue one for. DMV has no say. Up to the Doctor.

                    • #36 by Anonymous on November 13, 2015 - 9:13 am

                      Not true!

                      The blue placard is only issued by the DMV for mobility issues.

                      If you have PTSD, I would actually think that a walk will do you good?

                      Verbatim from the DMV…

                      “You may qualify for a DP placard or DP license plates if you have impaired mobility due to having lost use of one or more lower extremities, or both hands, or have a diagnosed disease that substantially impairs or interferes with mobility, or one who is severely disabled to be unable to move without the aid of an assistive device. You may also qualify if you have specific, documented visual problems, including lower-vision or partial-sightedness.”

                      Didn’t see anything about PTSD or any other mental health issues in the regulations did you Reality Is?

                      Note that Baseball Bill became disabled at the 29 year mark making his retirement tax free…

                      http://transparentcalifornia.com/pensions/2014/los-angeles-fire-and-police-employees-pension/william-a-johnson/

                      http://www.ocregister.com/articles/disability-368870-police-retirement.html

  9. #37 by Anonymous on November 11, 2015 - 10:02 pm

    The party is over, it will be time to call it a career very shortly. Your luck has just run out and all your evil deeds are now catching up to you. There are too many to name. You know who you are and soon with new information being disclosed, your party will be over. It is time for the evil doers in this town to pay the piper and it will not be long from now. Oh Happy Day.

  10. #39 by Barry Levinson on November 17, 2015 - 1:38 am

    Look at the picture of Kelly Thomas in the hospital after members of the FPD got through with him. What started out as a conversation between Fullerton police officers and a single unarmed, free of any drugs, 135 pound innocent man, results in his brutal beating death.

    If you do not change one single, solitary fact except that you substitute the involved FPD officers with any other perpetrators, those responsible would probably now be serving very long jail sentences in my humble opinion.

    Yet Ramos and Cincinelli were not even found guilty of excessive use of force for participating in the pummeling death of an innocent man. (None other than Police Chief Dan Hughes proclaimed Kelly Thomas innocent of any wrongdoing the night he unfortunately met up with 6 officers of the FPD, including the soon to be named 2013 FPD Supervisor of the Year.)

    Yet any objective observer has to think that Ramos and Cincinelli were greatly helped at trial by the sworn testimony of 2013 FPD Supervisor of the Year Kevin Craig and FPD Trainer Stephen Rubio, that those officers basically followed FPD policies and procedures the night of July 5, 2011.

    • #40 by Reality Is..... on November 17, 2015 - 9:22 am

      The main difference being that police have the right to use force, including deadly force, to overcome resistance, protect life and property, etc. So comparing someone off the street beating someone for fun, and the police using force, is comparing two different things. Yes, you are right. If someone beats someone on the street like that, they will go to jail for a long time. If a cop kills someone and does it legally, they won’t do jail time and will continue to work. This case is interesting because the cops were found not guilty but still fired. Political pressure to fire? Yes. Was it a good firing? We may never know. Personally, I think both cops were paid off and are receiving pensions from Fullerton now for medical retirements. That’s how the City gets around not bringing them back after being found not guilty. So yes, Cici could be getting two pensions now.

      Yes, I’m sure both of them were helped by not only that testimony but all of the testimony on the defense side. You have to remember that cops have multi million dollar defense funds at their disposal. They use all of it and get the best defense in the nation for cases like this. Schwartz is the best attorney in the nation. Would you expect a defense team not to use everything at their disposal to free their client? In trials it’s amazing what money buys. If you have money you can buy someone to say anything, as an expert. You see it on the prosecution side, and the defense side.

      Like we have said over and over, there was no perjury. Someone giving their opinion based on being an expert, doesn’t perjure anything. It’s their opinion based on what they are seeing on video, compared to what is written on paper. You could show this video to 100 so called professionals and get 50 to say within policy and 50 to say out of policy. Which is why this case came back not guilty.

      Yes, I know you feel the cops are guilty. Yes, I know that you feel he had a right to run a cop putting gloves on saying he was about to fuck you up. Bottom line to teach our children and anyone else in this world. Just do what the cops say and treat them with respect, and address a complaint at a later time. It’s not worth it. No one that didn’t fight, flight, or talk shit to the cops has ever had a problem with the cops. Fact.

  11. #41 by Fullerton Lover on November 17, 2015 - 11:32 am

    You weren’t doing half bad till you started proselytizing about how we should raise our children.

    Did someone forget that Kelly was known by the FPD to be severely mentally disabled, and unable to communicate with others as you and I would?

  12. #45 by Barry Levinson on November 17, 2015 - 12:15 pm

    RI is justifying deadly force against an innocent victim with no weapons, no drugs who weighed 135 pounds. You call that justifiable force.

    Whose life were they protecting RI? Your idol, Police Chief Hughes stated at a past city council meeting that Kelly Thomas was innocent.

    My dad and my uncle, both great NYC police officers are rolling over in their graves to hear the total nonsense uttered by people like you RI. You defend everything that is so so wrong with our local government today.

    No wonder you refuse to identify yourself.

    • #46 by Reality Is..... on November 17, 2015 - 1:10 pm

      LOL 🙂

      don’t forget about all the jurors and the millions across the USA that felt the cops were not guilty as well.

  13. #47 by Barry Levinson on November 17, 2015 - 1:33 pm

    If Gennaco was called by the prosecution to testify as to his expert opinion as to whether or not the FPD policies and procedures were strictly adhered to by those two defendants, the jurors would have probably reached a guilty verdict.

    • #48 by Reality Is on November 17, 2015 - 5:20 pm

      Gennaco is a paid clown. He’s paid to find a few things wrong at his client’s departments and write it up. Isn’t he still being paid by Fullerton yearly? LASO paid him for many many years and they were the most corrupt police department in the nation. Right? Plus Gennaco isn’t an expert at anything. He’s just an attorney with a good name to get the public off cities backs.

  14. #49 by Reality Is..... on November 17, 2015 - 7:54 pm

    Isn’t it amazing how much Bruce flipped though? I thought he was going to implement big changes once he got in there. Talked a big game of awhile. I think he got scared after Travis got run out of town so fast. He knew if he kept it up he wasn’t going to last long either.

    • #50 by anonymous on November 18, 2015 - 6:09 am

      Bruce Whitaker is a politician, first and foremost.

  15. #51 by Anonymous on November 17, 2015 - 11:54 pm

    The Fullerton establishment is running scared. The words of several council members at tonights city council meeting will come back to bite them in the butt very soon.

  16. #52 by Reality Is on November 18, 2015 - 2:50 pm

    No one is scared. Everyone is happy. Except the people at Harbor and Ash. I’m here now. One dead and one almost dead. Cops fault I’m sure.

    Come on out. I’m giving interviews now.

    Love,

    DannyBoy

  17. #53 by Fullerton Lover on November 19, 2015 - 6:06 am

    Look’s like the Orange County District Attorneys office has got a lot of explaining to do…

    I’m wondering when the District Attorney is going to “man up” and speak to the people who elected him, instead of pushing a woman in front of the cameras every time this comes up in an attempt to explain away his transgressions?

    http://www.ocregister.com/articles/orange-692665-attorney-county.html

  18. #54 by T-Rack's flack... on November 19, 2015 - 8:56 am

    Looks like they’re asking for the federal government to intervene with T-Rack’s criminal enterprise:

    http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2015/11/orange_county_snitch_scandal_informants_doj.php

    • #55 by Anonymous on November 19, 2015 - 10:54 am

      Why is it that our political class is made up of some of the worst people on the planet? Can anyone now deny that character counts big-time?

  19. #56 by Anonymous on November 19, 2015 - 9:49 am

    Corruption thy name is Orange County.

    • #57 by Anonymous on November 19, 2015 - 2:02 pm

      The DA had his hands all over this case. Start to finish and the first for him in decades. Pretty obvious to me from the get go what the outcome would be. Who is this reality is character?

  20. #58 by Reality Is..... on November 19, 2015 - 11:20 am

    Yea that’s a good case to follow. Jail informants has been used for years across the country. This judge didn’t like it, and the war started between the DA’s office and the Judge. DA’s office says it’s fine, Judge says it’s not. Now it’s an ongoing war between the two. DA’s office tries to pull all cases from his courtroom. I think it just comes down to providing the information that they used a specific informant but then that informant is dead. It will be a long drawn out battle with strict policies issued in the end. The Seal Beach case is odd because that case was a slam dunk so not sure why jail house informants was such a big deal to use. Jail house informants can provide crucial and much needed information in some cases, but this one seems to be stupid to even use.

  21. #59 by Fantasy based on reality? on November 19, 2015 - 11:51 am

    “The issue is simple,” the judge wrote in his Ortiz ruling. “Sworn police officers were called to the witness stand to answer questions about what they were doing while they were working as police officers. When all of them refused to testify, the defendant was thereby denied the opportunity to question them about alleged [constitutional] violations . . . Thus, the court has concluded that relevant and material evidence in the possession of law enforcement has become unavailable to the defendant, depriving him of a fair hearing.”

    This is the 13th example in less than a year of blatantly unethical prosecution team moves wrecking a felony case while not a single involved person with a badge has been held accountable.

    Two more tainted trials–People v. Henry Cabrera and People v. Henry Rodriguez–could be added to the list in coming months.

    http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2015/11/oc_snitch_scandal_tony_rackauckas_eric_ortiz_massiah.php

    • #60 by Anonymous on November 20, 2015 - 1:51 pm

      The DA had his hands all over the Thomas case. Start to finish and the first for him in decades. Pretty obvious to me from the get go what the outcome would be. Who is this reality is character?

      • #61 by Anonymous on November 20, 2015 - 2:43 pm

        Based on RI’s comment that he was at Harbor and Ash the other day, which was the site of a ex-husband, wife shooting incident, he is suggesting he is FPD or FFD.

  22. #62 by Fullerton Lover on November 20, 2015 - 9:00 am

    • #63 by Fullerton Lover on November 22, 2015 - 6:59 am

      Interesting read on the Orange County Sheriff’s Department/Orange County District Attorney’s Office use of informants.

      I especially liked the PDF’s of the inmate’s actual daily written communications with sheriff’s deputies.

      Sort of explains to me why a few Sheriff’s Deputies refused to answer a Judge’s questions and caused a mistrial of a capitol case here in OC last week.

      http://www.ocregister.com/articles/informants-693296-attorney-dekraai.html

  23. #64 by Reality Is on November 20, 2015 - 4:35 pm

    Ron settled today. It was all about the money after all.

    • #65 by Fullerton Lover on November 20, 2015 - 5:04 pm

      How much did he settle for?

      • #66 by Reality Is on November 20, 2015 - 5:46 pm

        That hasn’t been leaked yet. Just so disappointing that it was all about money doesn’t matter and getting everyone on the stand and then in the end a settlement anyways. Oh well. Ronny loved his camera time and will love his millions. My guess is 3 million with over half to Garo.

        • #67 by Fullerton Lover on November 20, 2015 - 7:06 pm

          I’m with you on this one.

          Narcissism and altruism never mix well together.

          Like oil and water.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder

          • #68 by Reality Is on November 20, 2015 - 10:18 pm

            Sad. Ron broke all his promises wishes desires and requests by settling. Money won.

            • #69 by me too on November 23, 2015 - 9:11 pm

              Expected. It was all theater from the get go. He was super close to Danny boy and Ratcockass. Full blown heist of taxpayers and miscarriage of justice all around. Whatever happened to Ron turning this into a charter city and running for mayor?

            • #70 by Anonymous on November 28, 2015 - 10:20 am

              Dan Hughes also broke all his promises to the people of Fullerton and he makes 300k a year in salary and benefits.

              • #71 by Reality Is..... on November 30, 2015 - 9:29 am

                What promises? Everyone seems happy as a fiddle in Fullerton with DannyBoy. Danny said that the cops were all not guilty and didn’t do anything wrong. Remember that? Him saying anything after was just to appease the Kelly’s Army and Ronald Frederick. Oh, and to get the job of Chief. In the end, it was all a show. I mean did anyone really think that Ronald Frederick gave a crap about Kelly?. Really? He didn’t even talk to him or care about him. He gave up on him. That’s the reality of it. Ronald Frederick tried to be a cop back in the day and got fired. He failed. He just wanted to be someone. Something. He wanted his time in front of the camera. He promised the world to Kelly’s Army and all of the people that felt justice needed to be done. He promised everyone they would hear from the so called killers. He promised so much. Then he ran off into the sunset with the millions. We will never hear another word from Ron. He will never give a dollar back to the community or the homeless. He got what he wanted. He pulled the plug on Kelly because he was happy to have him gone. Ron got his dream. Money. Fame. Fortune. Bye Ron.

            • #72 by Anonymous on December 16, 2015 - 10:04 pm

              Lets see how much of that 4.9 mill ends up helping the homeless. Yeah I thought so Ron.

  24. #73 by Anonymous on November 30, 2015 - 12:03 pm

    Dan Hughes was none to happy when he saw Joe at City Council on Wednesday. Dan saw Joe and he turned around and ran out of the council chambers….never to return. That’s what we have in Fullerton for a Police Chief. A man who runs away from one civilian armed only with a camera and a conscience.
    I would call that man a coward with a gun, a badge and very little else.

    • #74 by Reality Is..... on December 1, 2015 - 10:14 am

      I actually don’t fault DannyBoy for doing that. I expect any city leader to do that to someone that actually really does hate the person and doesn’t care what they say. That’s Joe and many others to DannyBoy, Joe Feliz, and the council members. I don’t expect people to sit there and listen to people rant and rave about old things or even new things, when it’s proven fact those people hate them and really don’t care what they have to say. I would walk away too.

      • #75 by Telling It Like It Is on December 16, 2015 - 10:19 pm

        Once again Reality Is gets it backwards. It was Police Chief Danny Hughes who stated at council (on video tape) that he could hate Barry after Council member Bruce Whitaker stated that Danny Hughes did say he hates Barry. And then as if in the middle of a comedy routine, the chief insisted repeatedly that he could be objective investigating Mr. Levinson…as if he said it more than once it will magically become true. Sure you can chief.

        • #76 by Reality Is.... on December 17, 2015 - 10:59 am

          I would rather hear someone say they hate someone than not hear it and see them act like they like the person.

          • #77 by Anonymous on December 17, 2015 - 12:36 pm

            Are you on drugs Reality Is or just that dishonest to make such a complete phony statement as the one above?

  25. #78 by Telling It Like It Is on December 17, 2015 - 12:27 pm

    I for one would just like to have a police department, which demonstrates honesty and integrity

  26. #79 by Dee Jay on November 9, 2016 - 9:07 pm

    What is extraordinary about this case is that we have “expert” testimony exonerating a group of badge-wearing killers – and a whole courtroom of participants pretending that the testimony even matters. THE ENTIRE THING was on video. We see SEVERAL trained professionals brutally beat a scrawny helpless and pleading man to death for no apparent reason. We can also clearly see that not one of them, at any given point, were ever even remotely in any kind of danger. They can’t lie and say they felt threatened because we have clear video showing they were not. Any “expert” testimony saying they all acted within the reasonable guidelines of their training can be thrown out simply because continuing to pummel and tase a victim after being motionless and unconscious, by DEFAULT, cannot be considered a reasonable guideline in any policy, regardless. Therefore, at that point in the video when we can clearly see Kelly subdued and motionless, and the beating continues, to say this isn’t murder is a grave injustice and a mockery of our system (not to mention a red flag indicator of corruption where a purge may be necessary) The prosecution is where I see utter failure and incompetence by design, and Racockass should step down or be removed.

  27. #80 by Anonymous on November 10, 2016 - 10:44 am

    The FPD could never demonstrate honesty and integrity, Telling It Like It Is, with Danny Hughes at the helm.

    He just gave us one last example of how Danny Hughes does not enforce the law. His own memo states that instead of the officers’ first at the scene, immediately giving Felz a breathalyzer, he tell them to wait until his chosen officer arrives to obviously coverup the crime of a DUI.

    Disney is making a huge mistake hiring this piece of trash! They will live to regret it. Mark my words.

    • #81 by Danny Boy on November 11, 2016 - 11:29 am

      Disney isn’t a police force. you are forgetting that. Disney is security and love. Easiest job in the world. Disney won’t even know Danny is there, except for his $300,000 a year plus his $300k pension.

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