What The Kelly Thomas Ordeal Teaches Us About Our City Leaders, Especially Jan Flory, Jennifer Fitzgerald, Doug Chaffee, Joe Felz and Dan Hughes


by Barry Levinson

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Exactly 1,603 days after the savage beating death of a 135- pound “innocent man” (Police Chief Dan Hughes so proclaimed Kelly Thomas posthumously at a council meeting about a year or so latter), the tragic tale of Kelly Thomas comes to a dramatic close.

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Although, I am very disappointed that Mr. Thomas chose to accept the City of Fullerton’s large offer of 4.9 million dollars, instead of going through an open civil trial, it should not be the focus of our thoughts and concerns.

Let’s just review that various costs involved in the Kelly Thomas savage beating death has cost the Fullerton public.

 

Payout to Mrs. Kathy Thomas                              $1,000,000

Payout to Mr. Ron Thomas                                   $4,900,000

Estimated legal related fees                              $500,000

Potential estimated settlements with

fired officers who are attempting to get 

their jobs back.

(We shall have to wait

and see on this one.)                                       $5,000,000

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Total cost to pay off victims for the FPD’s

bad acts:                                                        $11,400,000

 

The impact this has for the Fullerton

Public. ………………………………… A lasting mistrust of the FPD

 

Here is the way to start the healing.

 

Removing Dan Hughes and Joe Felz from

     Fullerton city government forever. ……………  Priceless!!

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Dan Hughes-FPD chief

It is ironic that the settlement approval came at a hastily called for “Special” City Council meeting for 8 AM the morning before the Thanksgiving Day Holiday.  Any fool knows that the timing of this meeting was carefully selected by a majority of our city council along with City Manager Joe Felz.

Joe Felz Fullerton city manager

It was probably the same majority who voted for the $4.9 million settlement, i.e. Fitzgerald, Flory and Chaffee.  So the next time Council members Flory, Fitzgerald and Chaffee have the audacity to talk about the openness and transparency of city government, I hope a large segment of the council audience will have the courage to remind them of this 8 AM council meeting.

Now that Police Chief Dan Hughes does not have to worry about testifying under oath before the civil jury (and the world) and answer some very embarrassing, tough and even a few unanswerable questions, he can now sit back and wait for his approximately 200K pension to arrive just over the horizon.  It is good to be the king, which is what many of the top public servants truly are these days.  It is we the people who get incredibly little consideration from all these so-called civil servants and elected officials.  They are supposed to be looking out for the citizens of Fullerton wellbeing in their fiduciary roles.  They make multi-million dollar decisions such as with the passage of several 4-year union contracts and in their public council deliberations did not even mention the word “taxpayer”.  Their actions certainly show no empathy or concern for those that pay the city’s bills.  Council member Fitzgerald as a self-described Republican, deserves the loudest shout-out for her apparent lack of concern for the financial wellbeing of the city and taxpayer.

But I want to leave the readers with a positive message.  We the people of Fullerton can look forward to a better-run city government.  All we have to do is vote out Ms. Flory and Ms. Fitzgerald next year and vote for people such as Joe Imbriano.

My role going forward will be to do whatever will do the most good for our city.  I look forward to continue speaking out whenever our city leadership goes astray or fails in their responsibilities to you the good citizens of Fullerton.

P.S.  The city of Fullerton government and its services are in very bad shape.  Therefore, we must reject politics as usual.    Too many elected officials either work against the people or try to straddle the fence and in so doing accomplish little.  Well I am here to tell all of them, to either get with the people 100% or get out of the way for a change is coming.

 

I report, you decide.

 

Barry Levinson

  1. #1 by Fullerton Resident on December 1, 2015 - 12:08 am

    Mr. Communication, Dan Hughes since last November hardly ever sits in on Fullerton Council meetings. I guess he is afraid that a council member or a citizen during public comments might ask him a serious question. Yes Mr. Communication is not very communicative when he is not controlling the conversation.

    • #2 by Fullerton Lover on December 7, 2015 - 10:35 am

      The only two city councilman with any decency.

      http://www.ocregister.com/articles/council-694866-city-public.html

      • #3 by Telling It Like It Is on December 8, 2015 - 12:02 am

        Let’s see if these two council members continue to speak out on the subject of FPD abuse or was this a lame attempt to placate their base after all the damage was done. It seems to me that if any council member really wanted to impact the results of any settlement deliberation and/or the reform of the FPD itself, they would have spoken out at council meetings and to the press prior to any settlement. How many times did people speak out at council meetings about the Kelly Thomas death at the hands of Fullerton cops and collectively the council members were totally silent? How about speaking out on the leaked confidential Gennaco Report? It is out in the public domain and it should be fair game for anyone even a council member to talk about it. Yet, I have not heard either Sebourn or Whitaker mention that report even one single time. They have ignored it, just like the other three council members, like the plague.

        • #4 by channel 3 on December 8, 2015 - 10:01 am

          So I just don’t get it. Barry has been talking about this issue for months at council meetings. Crickets from Greg and Bruce. Greg and Bruce have not even acknowledged Barry’s comments. Why?

        • #5 by Fullerton Lover on December 8, 2015 - 11:26 am

          Did you actually read the article?

          Quote from Bruce Whitaker….

          “Since Kelly’s death, I, along with nine other council members over the four-plus years – five of us still on the council – received legal advice and presided over litigation strategies intended to obscure and distort information, attack victims, punish protesters and deny even the smallest measure of responsibility and accountability. At every stage, my efforts at ensuring clarity, accuracy, transparency and even-handedness were stymied – to the extreme of my being presented a restraining order to desist in my demands to audit city property in my capacity as a councilmember. The restraining order was sought by the Fullerton Police Department with the cooperation of many others.

          I strongly oppose this action by a majority of this council.”

          These two have been stifled at every point by the majority of Doug Chaffee, Jan Flory, and Jennifer Fitzgerald.

          If you or any one else votes for any one of these three in the future, expect more of the same.

          • #6 by Anonymous on December 8, 2015 - 11:51 am

            Yes and I think Bruce needs to elaborate. Sounds like a criminal conspiracy to me. This is amazing! If only Fullerton had a few more like him.

            • #7 by Fullerton Lover on December 8, 2015 - 12:25 pm

              Agreed!

              I believe that the only obstacle in another Fullerton resident stepping up to the city council dais is the money required to win.

              How does one of us have the ability to spend the $50,000 needed, to defeat the candidates that the public safety unions supports?

              Ask your spouse and your family how they would feel about you spending $50,000 to win an election?

          • #8 by Telling It Like It Is on December 8, 2015 - 12:24 pm

            Fullerton Lover each person is responsible for what they do and say and for what they do not do or say. This should be doubly true for any elected representative of the people. For an elected representative to make the claim that others are controlling his free speech rings somewhat hollow and does not speak well for his independence or bravery.

            • #9 by Fullerton Lover on December 8, 2015 - 12:44 pm

              I believe that restraining orders that were issued by the Fullerton Police Department, and were signed off by a Superior Court Judge, do NOT allow for the latitude you suggest in deciding when these two council members should speak up.

              I think that that was the point of the editorial that Bruce Whitaker wrote in Sunday’s Register

              I also found this article that I remembered Greg Sebourn penning awhile back, which helps illustrate how these two gentleman have not remained silent on the issue of how city employees are gaming the system and using their dues to sponsor candidates like Jan Flory, Doug Chaffee, and also the unsuccessful city council candidacy of (B. VERY WARY) of Larry Bennett.

      • #12 by Anonymous on December 8, 2015 - 10:45 am

        look deeper and you will see that it is all political machinations with no substance

  2. #13 by TT on December 1, 2015 - 5:47 am

    Joe you are really running? Is Barry running too? That would be awesome. Barry did really well last time around. You two would make a great team.

    But don’t get involved with Tony though. Big mistake if he is still in the game. Trust me on that one. i think you already know.

  3. #14 by Eric on December 1, 2015 - 8:12 am

    I remember years back when Joe was dealing with the local churches in Fullerton and how they treated him when it came to moral issues and civic responsibilities.

    Unless the churches change, I am afraid they will keep leading people in wrong direction that they are all going. That is why we have so many problems, even where I live, because so few good people dare to get involved in anything of any significance.

    I know Joe and he is solid to the core. I never met anyone who thinks like he does. He would make a great leader but I think most people are not ready for a real leader. I think that most people prefer to be lied to because it is more comfortable for them.

  4. #15 by Reality Is..... on December 1, 2015 - 10:16 am

    One thing to keep in mind is that DannyBoy and Joe are eligible to retire with full pensions already. So they plan on leaving at any moment. So they wouldn’t ever be fired but maybe if you could spark something up new, they would run out the door on their own? Entirely possible. But seeing what Tony Bushala and Travis and that group did when the pressure was real and current and new, I don’t think anything is possible this late in the game.

    • #16 by Anonymous on December 1, 2015 - 11:22 am

      All we got from Tony’s half a mill, and the work of Travis, Greg and Bruce so far was a measley 60 dollar water rebate, fireworks, Flory, Fitgerald, Chaffee, Hughes and Felz. Nice going gang.

      • #17 by Reality Is..... on December 1, 2015 - 11:25 am

        True that. You had Travis for a few months until he opened his mouth and acted like he was Obama. Then he was out quickly.

      • #18 by Fullerton Lover on December 1, 2015 - 8:47 pm

        I think your forgetting that the greatest benefit of all of the great Fullerton recall, was that it was also responsible for removing the three blind mice, ex-Fullerton City Councilman Don Bankhead, Dick Jones, and Pat McKinley, from inflicting further harm to those that reside within Fullerton.

        Compared to the 10 million dollars that the residents of Fullerton have paid Kelly Thomas’s family, a half a million dollars seems like a bargain to remove these three from completing their terms as Fullerton City Councilman?

        • #19 by Reality Is..... on December 2, 2015 - 9:05 am

          Yes. However. Are the ones now really any better than those? Or just clones? I sometimes wonder if all cities have brain dead council people. It seems consistent with every city that I have interactions with.

    • #21 by Anonymous on December 1, 2015 - 12:49 pm

      The good people of Fullerton will hopefully keep up the pressure so that both Hughes and Felz take the earliest possible retirements.

    • #22 by Fullerton Lover on December 2, 2015 - 12:02 pm

      Last night’s City Council meeting …

      http://fullerton.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=2&clip_id=718&meta_id=41973

      If you want a real treat, go to the 30 minute mark and listen up to about the 40 minute mark, and then ask yourself if you think that these two gentleman, Joe Imbriano and Barry Levinson, should be elected to City Council next November?

      Note the stony silence from Fitzgerald and Flory when asked if they would like to respond.

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      • #24 by Rocko on December 2, 2015 - 8:16 pm

        I have to agree with that. It is clear that those who we currently have are relatively ineffective if not downright harmful to the city. I am not sure however, that Barry and Joe can get in with the deck so stacked against anyone that won’t play ball. Its gonna be a real uphill battle. Not saying it cant be done but its gonna be tough.

  5. #25 by Fitzgerald... meet the Devil on December 2, 2015 - 5:03 pm

  6. #26 by Fullerton Lover on December 2, 2015 - 7:05 pm

    If anyone is surprised that Jennifer Fitzgerald wants to let the Chevron Corporation build homes in Coyote Hills, you really need to familiarize and even boycott the political donors who were directly responsible for funding her City Council candidacy.

    http://docs.cityoffullerton.com/weblink/Browse.aspx?dbid=1

  7. #27 by Angie on December 8, 2015 - 3:02 pm

    “Most people prefer to “believe” that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one’s self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice.

    Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all.” – Michael Rivero

  8. #28 by Telling It Like It Is on December 8, 2015 - 3:15 pm

    You are a good man or woman Fullerton Lover. But a council member speaking out a few times about Kelly Thomas over a 4 and one-half year period is not something that deserves a lot of public credit. It seems to me that far too often it is left to the involved citizens to do the heavy lifting. My guess is that little if anything will ever be said again officially at a council meeting by Council members Sebourn and/or Whitaker about the Kelly Thomas fiasco between now and the November 2016 election. They said what they probably felt was politically necessary for them to say at the time of the giving out of the settlement. Now they will go back to mostly ignoring the major FPD issues and problems going forward. Remember it was newly elected (in the recall election) Council member Sebourn that cast the deciding vote against getting free non-binding information from the Orange County Sheriff’s Department that was the beginning of the end of any real reform in Fullerton. Still waiting for Council member Sebourn to apologize for that inexcusable vote. The minority of any council should never use the excuse that they do not have the votes to prevail to not always speak out against corruption, wrongdoing, malfeasance and mismanagement. If this is the best we can expect from our council members, I am afraid that the problems of Fullerton will not be seriously dealt with for a very long time.

  9. #29 by Fullerton Lover on December 8, 2015 - 4:38 pm

    Well said Telling It Like It Is.

    I certainly share your pain on the decision by Greg Sebourn NOT to proceed with obtaining a non-binding bid from the OC Sheriff’s Department.

    I certainly agree that Greg Sebourn’s decision, completely surprised every voter that voted for him, and completely knocked the wind out of any progress with reforming the police department.

    P.s. Thanks for the kind words. I’m just a parent who cares deeply about the town that I raise my children in.

  10. #30 by Telling It Like It Is on December 8, 2015 - 10:31 pm

    Please note that the restraining order Council member Whitaker mentions concerns the auditing of city property and not about the Kelly Thomas brutal death and all that transpired in its aftermath. It seems out of place that the council member would bring up this restraining order for the first time when the topic was the Kelly Thomas settlement.

    For clarity and transparency, it would be proper for Council member Whitaker to release a copy of the restraining order and the date which is was served to him.

    • #31 by Joe Imbriano on December 8, 2015 - 11:19 pm

      For the record, I did email him asking for a copy. I am very curious about this as well. Since when can those who we elect to serve and represent us be gagged while agents of the state commit murder on camera and get away with it?

      • #32 by Fullerton Lover on December 9, 2015 - 6:29 am

        Great points Telling It Like It Is!

        In the best interest of honesty, transparency, and decency, I believe that it would benefit us all for Bruce Whitaker to release the restraining order to clarify its contents.

        Anything less would be disingenuous to all of us who put our trust in him and gave him our vote.

    • #33 by Reality Is..... on December 9, 2015 - 9:27 am

      Isn’t Bruce up for election soon?? It’s political silly season right now. This is all a show to get your name out there and act like you did something. However, I don’t think the Fullerton voters care about the Kelly Thomas case anymore. They care about current events and happenings in the city. Go back and look at the council meetings and happenings when the Kelly Thomas case was going on and look at what Bruce said at the time. Look at what he has done since. Almost nothing. Now he wants to speak up because it’s time to vote? LOL funny. It’s also easy to say screw all the public safety unions and topics. That’s instant political death. Ask Travis and Tony. You have to find that middle ground where you support them and some of their causes, but also do what is right. Saying you want to go to the Sheriff’s department, which is a terrible move, and you want to crush their future pensions that they pay into, is political suicide as well. Just research some candidates that ran on that platform.

  11. #34 by Telling it Like It Is on December 9, 2015 - 10:16 am

    Dealing with the FPD honestly and objectively may be political suicide, but we have tragically learned when the FPD is not properly dealt with, results in numerous cases of police abuse of power, abuse of the laws they were sworn to protect and ultimately the horrific death by their hands of an innocent man. Anyone who is not totally disgusted about what transpired and the lack of any justice is a person without character or decency.
    Any politician worth a damn should be more concerned with the health and welfare of its citizens and not the political clout of the police unions. Are you listening Sebourn and Whitaker? I do not even mention the other three phony council members because they are in the hip pocket of the safety unions.

    • #35 by Fullerton Lover on December 11, 2015 - 3:29 pm

      Telling It Like It Is,

      It’s not just the public safety unions, they are also in the metaphorical hip pocket of the Teachers and Professors that use groups with civic minded sounding names like “Neighbors United For Fullerton” to advance their thinly veiled agenda to support local candidates that will be supportive of higher pay and earlier retirement packages for local school teachers.

      Consider that, “Neighbors United For Fullerton” or NUFF, labels themselves as a local political group who professes to be non-partisan. Webster’s dictionary defines non-partisan as:

      free from party affiliation, bias, or designation.

      I have done a little of my own research into just who and what NUFF is, and have come to far different conclusions about who and what NUFF REALLY is, as opposed to whom they say they are.

      Firstly, there is the connection with the Fullerton Observer, who also professes to be non-partisan. That of course is long time political commentator that pontificates instead of really analyzes local politicians, “Vince” Buck.

      Vince Buck is a NUFF member. Who else are NUFF members? You would think with a name like “Neighbors United For Fullerton” that this would be a group of neighbors who hoped that their collective voices would be better heard, yet in reality, I noticed that most, if not all, off the names that I’ve found ran through the state of California’s “Transparent California” website, have come back showing NUFF members as Teachers and Professors that advocate for candidates in local elections that will give them generous raises and retirement packages, for sub-par Teachers and Professors…

      CSUF Professor Vince Buck’s “Rate My Professor” ratings…

      http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tid=340679

      CSUF Professor Vince Buck’s over $1,500 a week ($76K per year) retirement from CSUF:

      http://transparentcalifornia.com/pensions/2014/calpers/j-v-buck/

      OC Register news article referencing Vince Buck as a Fullerton Library Trustee and NUFF member from 1/8/2008…

      http://www.ocregister.com/articles/library-125114-fullerton-voters.html

      I guess the real problem I have is that NUFF, who claims to be non-partisan, is consistently supportive of Fullerton City Council candidates which are also supported simultaneousy by the Democrats of North Orange County such as Doug Chaffee:

      ( key and full list of donors such as SQS,Pam Keller,Vice Buck, Fullerton Observer, and NUFF)

      http://www.smartvoter.org/2010/11/02/ca/or/vote/chaffee_d/

      Karen Haluza

      http://www.smartvoter.org/2008/11/04/ca/or/vote/haluza_k/endorse.html

      Also note how Pam Keller’s campaign contributions from the 2006 Fullerton City Council election, clearly showing a $2,500 contribution from supposedly non-partisan group, NUFF, or Neighbors United For Fullerton…which I believe in reality it is the covert arm of the educators in this community, subversively funneling money to Democratic candidates such as Keller,Flory, and SQS, Chaffee, etc…

      (8of17)

      http://docs.cityoffullerton.com/weblink/1/doc/391823/Page1.aspx

      Pam Keller’s payment back to NUFF…

      http://docs.cityoffullerton.com/weblink/1/doc/391765/Page1.aspx

      Pam’s contribution to fellow Democrat, Doug Chaffee…

      http://docs.cityoffullerton.com/weblink/1/doc/449576/Page1.aspx

      http://docs.cityoffullerton.com/weblink/1/doc/423073/Page1.aspx

      Pam’s 2006 contributors, including the Democratic Party of Orange…

      http://docs.cityoffullerton.com/weblink/1/doc/391825/Page1.aspx

      I think that it’s also noteworthy to see how the Fullerton Observer’s editor, Sharon Kennedy, perjures herself under oath in this Superior Court declaration , by stating that the Fullerton Observer is non-partisan, and non-sectarian.

      I’ll grant them the last one, but the first is a blatant lie as the Fullerton Observer’s definitely supportive with their coverage of Democratic candidates, such as Chaffee, Sharon Quirk Silva and Pam Keller, and obviously slanted in their coverage of Republicans such as Norby, Nelson, Whitaker, and even Chris Thompson.

      http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/tag/sharon-kennedy/

      30 year FJUSD Trustee, Bob Singer’s list of endorsements listing includes NUFF, Vince Buck, Fullerton Observer, Jan Flory, Jennifer Fitzgerald, SQS, and the Democratic party…

      https://ballotpedia.org/Robert_A._Singer

      • #36 by Anonymous on December 11, 2015 - 3:53 pm

        Thank you for this.

      • #37 by Fullerton Lover on January 11, 2016 - 6:37 pm

        Note the front page on the most current issue of the Fullerton Observer…

        http://www.fullertonobserver.com/

        Here’s the Author of this article ….

        http://transparentcalifornia.com/pensions/2014/calpers/elizabeth-t-gibbs/

        Would you have known, if I hadn’t told you that is, that the article about the proposed “College Town” development was written by a retired pensioner from CSUF, which is the President of Neighbors United For Fullerton, or, N.U.F.F.?

        This group is composed of Teachers who lobby for themselves under the pretense of being our neighbors, that sponsors phony meet and greets with the candidates that will keep them all their jobs propped up, and forever deny Fullerton parents from ever getting vouchers to educate their children at schools that WON”T use wireless, and cannot enforce children to be vaccinated with potential toxins against their parent’s will.

        http://nuffpac.org/nuff-board-members/

        I guess T.U.F.F. was already taken?

        http://nuffpac.org/nuff-board-members/

  12. #38 by Anonymous on January 6, 2016 - 5:26 pm

    Barry your personal opinion about the Kelly Thomas incident are exactly why you and Joe needed to stay out of Fullerton politics. The people heard the case/evidence and have spoken, based on CA State and US laws. If you don’t like our laws leave!! Go to Mexico!!!…….what the city and surrounding cities learned from this incident is how not handle an incident like this again. Three Officers were fired and later proven innocent in a criminal trial and were held not liable in a civil trial. Now the city is going to have to pay these officers for wrongful termination. Our current city leaders are not the ones flipping the bill for this mistake. It’s going to be the Citizens of Fullerton!!

    • #39 by Reality Is..... on January 6, 2016 - 7:14 pm

      yea could you imagine? After the verdict was reached, Barry and Joe mother fucking the system and saying that the cops were still guilty? Thank God neither will ever be on the council.

    • #40 by Joe Imbriano on January 6, 2016 - 10:37 pm

      This is exactly why we will remain involved in Fullerton politics and why I am running for office. Everyone knows Kelly Thomas was murdered. Changing the logo on the police cars changes nothing. The culture of corruption inside the FPD and at city hall has been raping the citizens of Fullerton long enough. Change is coming. Dan Hughes’ attempt to frame Barry Levinson failed for the same reason this website is here. The truth is marching on.

      • #41 by Reality Is..... on January 7, 2016 - 7:43 am

        But the only solid examples of the so called corruption in the police department is the Kelly incident and the Barry incident? And a few isolated incidents over the last 10 years which is completely normal in policing across the state where humans make mistakes and are fired? And in the Kelly incident the cops were fired as well? What you want is for cops to get fired just because they were there or because you think rumor shows they should be fired. POBAR makes it so even if you were on the council you can’t do that, and if you do, you and the city will pay out millions to that cop. It’s really that simple. Fullerton PD has a great track record and does a great job, as much as you want to make up things to say differently. Which is also why the leadership of Fullerton from the top to the bottom doesn’t even listen to anything you or Barry say. It’s nonsense and non factual.

  13. #42 by Anonymous on January 6, 2016 - 11:54 pm

    Joe the truth is you dont want to believe the truth. You and Barry have no business on the city council. City council members are there to do what’s best for the city and to lead the citizens of Fullerton. You want the position of city council member to push your personal agendas, beliefs and make accusations with out any evidence. Your personal feels and ideas have no place on the council. You have to lead based on the rules and laws of our city, county, state and country, which you don’t believe in.

    • #43 by Joe Imbriano on January 7, 2016 - 12:02 am

      The truth is Kelly was murdered and you and your ilk circle the wagons for the thugs that pulled it off, rigged the trial and greased the skids for the payouts. The city’s infrastructure and finances are a joke. Your solution, circle the wagons and dose the public with your trite fluff and happy parties, warped and corrupt media outlets like the Register and The Observer, attempt to discredit and incarcerate the activists while you protect those involved in raping the taxpayers as Flory, Fitzgerald and Chaffee deficit spend, pass benefit and pay increases based on fraudulent accounting, ram cell towers through next to schools and homes and sit poised at any moment to sell us out the the developers and ruin Fullerton with the DCCSP’s 8 story buildings everywhere while the vaccines and the wireless get jammed into our kids bloodstreams and classrooms while you all get drunk and OD on cholesterol. Sad group of morally bankrupt pill popping cowards you belong to.

      • #44 by Anonymous on January 7, 2016 - 12:14 am

        damn straight!

    • #45 by Anonymous on January 7, 2016 - 12:14 am

      Sounds like you don’t believe in our laws. Joe is clearly right on so many fronts.

  14. #46 by Anonymous on January 7, 2016 - 12:16 am

    Joe your delusional irrational beliefs are exactly why you have no place in public service, which is why you and Barry will never be elected. If you are elected God help the citizens of Fulllerton.

    • #47 by Joe Imbriano on January 7, 2016 - 12:20 am

      “The truth is Kelly was murdered and you and your ilk circle the wagons for the thugs that pulled it off, rigged the trial and greased the skids for the payouts. The city’s infrastructure and finances are a joke. Your solution, circle the wagons and dose the public with your trite fluff and happy parties, warped and corrupt media outlets like the Register and The Observer, attempt to discredit and incarcerate the activists while you protect those involved in raping the taxpayers as Flory, Fitzgerald and Chaffee deficit spend and pass benefit and pay increases based on fraudulent accounting, ram cell towers through next to schools and homes and sit poised at any moment to sell us out the the developers with the DCCSP’s 8 story buildings everywhere while the vaccines and the wireless get jammed into our kids bloodstreams and classrooms while you all get drunk and OD on cholesterol. Sad group of morally bankrupt pill popping cowards you belong to. ”

      THESE ARE FACTS NOT IRRATIONAL BELIEFS AND PRECISELY WHY I AM RUNNING FOR OFFICE.

      • #48 by Fullerton Lover on January 7, 2016 - 12:36 am

        Amen!

      • #49 by Reality Is..... on January 7, 2016 - 7:48 am

        Joe. You clearly don’t like facts and pay no attention to facts. You live in your own little delusional world. Do you know Tony Bushala? I swear you might be his clone. go to the FFFF web page and look up some of his comments during the Kelly era. You guys said the exact same things. He bought off the council and got his people in there on the dead back of Kelly Thomas. Then Travis spoke just like you speak, and was run out of town so fast he didn’t know what hit him. The people don’t want people like you and Travis and Tony and Barry. They want people that think outside the box, and do what is best for the people, not what is best for their personal agendas and vendettas. The justice system spoke and it worked. You have to accept that or you will pay out millions to cops. Ciccy and Ramos got paid out. They got millions. That’s what happens when politics over runs logic and fact. POBAR protects cops from people like you. Now go start digging and see if you can find out what the payouts and deals were that the city made with Ciccy and Ramos. Start now. 🙂

        • #50 by Joe Imbriano on January 7, 2016 - 9:21 am

          And the first and second amendments protect us from people like you. Tell lies long enough and people will believe them. Maybe before we came along RI. But it is after all going to be up to the voters. Gonna be interesting for sure. I guess they can keep canceling the council meetings until November and tear down all my signs but the more light you put on me the more people will hit the site, google me and either wake up or join you and put more light on me so more people will hit the site and google me. There are only and handful of city workers that actually live in Fullerton. The other 139,563 are gonna be told the truth. You ever hack up or cut back a wild grape vine or a ficus tree? Do you know what happens? It grows back bigger and stronger than ever before with deeper roots, more branches and it keeps getting tougher to get rid of.

          • #51 by Reality Is.... on January 7, 2016 - 10:06 am

            Good luck and keep dreaming my friend. You will prove my point after the election. Your first political death is being anti public safety. No one has ever won an election ever being anti public safety. People have won with varying ideas but no one has ever won in the USA being anti public safety. Which you and Barry are. I can guarantee you will not be elevated with that stance and your agenda. Good luck.

            • #52 by Anon on January 7, 2016 - 10:51 am

              You, Reality Is, “doth protest too much.”

            • #53 by Fullerton Lover on January 7, 2016 - 12:14 pm

              “Anti Public Safety”

              Now that’s a true oxymoron!

              • #54 by Reality Is..... on January 8, 2016 - 10:38 pm

                Very true. Death sentence too. Just ask Tony and Travis. Bruce came around in the end and survived.

  15. #55 by Anonymous on January 7, 2016 - 12:38 am

    Joe you need evidence. Where is the evidence to corroborate your so called facts. Joe you need to prove what you say. Why would any intelligent person give you their vote based merely on what you say. Come on Joe, where is your proof? You need to prove it Joe.

  16. #56 by Anonymous on January 7, 2016 - 8:50 am

    You need evidence Joe. Where’s your evidence?? How can any intelligent person give you their vote without evidence. Your making huge irresponsible allegations with out proof. Prove to the citizens of Fullerton why we should believe you and give you our vote.

  17. #60 by Telling It Like It Is on January 7, 2016 - 11:20 am

    A murder here, a sexual assault there, (more than one, remember former Fullerton police officer, Albert Rincon allegedly detaining and sexually assaulting at least seven women on duty), testifying under oath that the FPD did nothing wrong with regard to Kelly Thomas here, intentionally smashing a DAR in a very suspicious Fullerton jail house supposed suicide there, stealing an iPad at Miami airport here, stealing by Fullerton police employee out of the supposed safeguarded Fullerton Police Department property room there, etc, etc, etc, and to RI it all stacks up to a great police department and police chief. Very scary stuff. This is all under the so-called reformed Fullerton police department under Dan Hughes. When a significant minority of police officers in one department create all these terrible abuses, one after another it is clear there is a systemic problem with the FPD. But our troll RI believes there is no problem with our FPD. Very reassuring RI. Keep attacking Mr. Levinson and Mr. Imbriano for telling the truth. Yes you even acknowledged that Dan Hughes and Joe Felz hates both of them for telling the truth. If that does not describe a corrupt leadership of the FPD and the City of Fullerton, there is no such thing as corruption anywhere. And yet, Council members Fitzgerald, Flory and Chaffee are consistently praising Chief Hughes and the department without ever criticizing any actions by department employees. What kind of low life degenerate has no problem with the partial list of disgusting behavior by some in the FPD?

    And for all this, Fullertonians pay on average more than $150,000 in salary and benefits for Fullerton police officers. If you take away those officers recently hired at the beginning salary level that figure goes up. This is before the 6% raise they were just given by council members Fitzgerald, Flory and Chaffee. Let the gravy train ride on.

  18. #61 by Anonymous on January 7, 2016 - 12:01 pm

    Ok all the incidents you mentioned have been dealt with. But I want Joe to produce his proof. Joe you said the trial was “rigged” that’s a humongous allegation. Your saying there was this huge conspiracy involving our entire justice system that started at the local level and continued all the way up to the federal level in regards to the Thomas trial. You need to produce some hardcore evidence of this conspiracy to the citizens of Fullerton. Joe your entitled to your opinion, but now your running for city council position and want our votes. You have no place in city government if your going to making such irresponsible and reckless allegations with out any sort of corraberated facts. You need to start putting your money where your mouth is Joe. If you can’t it’s ok. Just walk away.

    • #62 by Fullerton - The Cesspool City Government on January 7, 2016 - 1:17 pm

      Dealt with….really? Any human being accused of sexually assaulting at least seven different women (i.e. Fullerton officer Rincon) would have been indicted and facing criminal prosecution. But not when the allegations are against a FPD police officer. Corruption thy name is Fullerton City Hall. This was then covered up by an out of court settlement given to the two women who had the courage to sue civilly, to protect the guilty and hide the truth from coming out. Taxpayer money used once again by the FPD and the City of Fullerton as hush money. There were at least 7 different women alleging sexual assaults by an on duty Fullerton Police Officer (Rincon) and you have no problem with that whatsoever. What a total fraud you are RI?

      It is past time to rid ourselves of the council members who protect the police and the city while all this corruption continues to take place. It is past the time to rid ourselves of Fitzgerald, Flory and Chafee and the first two are up for reelection in 10 months.

      • #63 by Reality Is..... on January 8, 2016 - 10:38 pm

        You have to have a victim willing to testify in order to prosecute. Understand? You get it yet? None of those victims could get on the stand so no prosecution. Simple.

        • #64 by Fullerton Lover on January 10, 2016 - 3:40 pm

          You REALLY need to get your stories straight amigo if you want to stay ground in reality…

          http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/10/judge-slam-fullerton-for-keeping-cop-accused-of-groping-women-on-patrol.html

          • #65 by Reality Is..... on January 12, 2016 - 10:33 am

            Amigo? What does this show? Talk was of prosecution. This doesn’t say anything about prosecution. It talks about discipline for the officer and a civil case. Get it straight bucko. I stand behind my reasoning for no prosecution.

            • #66 by Fullerton Lover on January 12, 2016 - 11:18 am

              Reasoning from you Is a true oxymoron.

              • #67 by Telling It Like It Is on January 12, 2016 - 11:52 am

                Fullerton Lover I suggest that you do not even respond to RI anymore. He is very morally and ethically challenged individual who should be both pitied and ignored. The scary thing is that he never denied that he was or is a police officer.

                • #68 by Fullerton Lover on January 12, 2016 - 6:25 pm

                  I appreciate what your saying, however I’m an optimist that believes we are all worth saving.

        • #69 by Anonymous on January 12, 2016 - 9:01 am

          You also have to have a willing police department to do the proper investigation and arrest the alleged criminal. I forgot that Fullerton does not have such a police department.

  19. #70 by Anonymous on January 7, 2016 - 12:34 pm

    Where’s Barry??

    • #71 by Anonymous on January 8, 2016 - 9:57 am

      Good question. Where is Mr. Levinson?

      • #72 by Reality Is..... on January 8, 2016 - 10:36 pm

        Barry is laying low. His feelings are still hurt because DannyBoy and everyone is ignoring him when he yells and screams.

  20. #73 by Anonymous on January 7, 2016 - 9:24 pm

    Yes, really. The question I asked hasn’t been answered and probably never will. Because of this I can’t give you my vote for city council and will encourage others to do the same.

  21. #75 by Anonymous on January 8, 2016 - 9:30 am

    Joe my name is not important but my question is. I’ve asked you several times already and you haven’t responded. I’m taking my vote elsewhere and will encourage others to do the same. Hopefully you’ll eventually convince me before the election. Our city council is a mess and need some real leadership.

    • #76 by Anon on January 8, 2016 - 10:45 am

      If you are sincere, ask it again, and I am sure Joe will answer it.

    • #77 by psych ward on January 8, 2016 - 10:55 am

      You don’t even live in Fullerton so why should he answer you? Just tell your friend John Murray to vote for Floozy and Fitzphony.

      • #78 by Anonymous on January 8, 2016 - 1:09 pm

        Floozy? Right on!

        • #79 by Fullerton Lover on January 8, 2016 - 8:45 pm

          The “Fitzphony” reference was pretty clever too!

          • #80 by Fitzphony? on January 9, 2016 - 9:02 am

            How about FitzPringlePhony ?

  22. #82 by joedoe on January 8, 2016 - 4:21 pm

    Hey! Is Fullertons future blog back? I wish you could inform us about fullerton without all the biochemical stuff thrown in which seems to be about 90% of this blog and has nothing to do with fullerton specificaly.

    • #83 by Joe Imbriano on January 8, 2016 - 8:43 pm

      Pick your Foolerton poison pal. Shall we dabble with death by deranged cop, sterilization via syringe or how about zapped ovaries via the iPad in the lap? How about the good vibrations from the cell tower they will put in your backyard? Perhaps you like to be sprayed from the air? Perhaps being mowed down by a drunk driver from all the liquor joints downtown? Having your neighborhood turned into 8 story buildings with parking meters everywhere? So how do you really feel about the good vibrations from a cell tower in your backyard? Maybe a 100% autism rate from all the wireless would make you feel more at home while your kids are at school getting sterilized? How about the potholes that snap your tie rod ends or tweek the control arms? I know, you just really like to feel good about being lied to and having your taxes squandered on and by a bunch of fat head alcoholic liars that have run this town into the ground? Oh maybe you like rolling around in all the dead grass sitting under a dead tree that will fall on your car because the geoengineered drought is allowed to continue and force us into water restrictions that kill our gardens and fruit trees so you have to get you frankfriuts and veggies from Wal mart? Did I forget the pickpocket preachers that suck all the suckers dry every Sunday morning as they put them to sleep and protect all of these agendas? Did I miss anything? Oh yeah-This is not Tony’s site.

      • #84 by Reality Is..... on January 8, 2016 - 10:35 pm

        The thought process is very similar to tony’s thought process though. Very. 100% autism rate? LOL come on. You been smoking Tony’s weed tonight?

        • #85 by Anonymous on January 11, 2016 - 1:09 pm

          Can you imagine Imbriano on the chronic? That would be a sight indeed. I think he naturally gets off on the fringe shit without partaking.

      • #86 by Anonymous on January 10, 2016 - 6:25 pm

        Why don’t you tell us more about how the earth is flat? Surely such ground-breaking research should be shouted from the rooftops! It could only help bolster your credibility among enlightened citizens.

        • #87 by Joe Imbriano on January 10, 2016 - 6:54 pm

          The Bible is a flat earth book from cover to cover. Here is the section on this website that deals with what a joke is being taught to our children. It is all designed to discredit the Bible so the evil people can feel good about their evil deeds, you know like the people you hang out with? http://thefullertoninformer.com/category/the-flat-earth/

          You can vote for Fitzpringle and Fluoride. I don’t need your vote. There are 100,000 other people besides you. Enjoy the lies and all the aforementioned on their and their ilk’s watch.

          As far as vaccines and wireless-The editor in chief of Lancet, Richard Horton, wrote last month:

          Much of the scientific literature, perhaps half, may simply be untrue. Afflicted by studies with small sample sizes, tiny effects, invalid exploratory analyses, and flagrant conflicts of interest, together with an obsession for pursuing fashionable trends of dubious importance, science has taken a turn towards darkness. As one participant put it, “poor methods get results”. The Academy of Medical Sciences, Medical Research Council, and Biotechnology and Biological Sciences Research Council have now put their reputational weight behind an investigation into these questionable research practices. The apparent endemicity [i.e. pervasiveness within the scientific culture] of bad research behaviour is alarming. In their quest for telling a compelling story, scientists too often sculpt data to fit their preferred theory of the world. Or they retrofit hypotheses to fit their data. Journal editors deserve their fair share of criticism too. We aid and abet the worst behaviours. Our acquiescence to the impact factor fuels an unhealthy competition to win a place in a select few journals. Our love of “significance” pollutes the literature with many a statistical fairy-tale. We reject important confirmations. Journals are not the only miscreants. Universities are in a perpetual struggle for money and talent, endpoints that foster reductive metrics, such as high-impact publication. National assessment procedures, such as the Research Excellence Framework, incentivise bad practices. And individual scientists, including their most senior leaders, do little to alter a research culture that occasionally veers close to misconduct.

          ***

          • #88 by Anonymous on January 11, 2016 - 3:22 pm

            Wow. That is all I can say is wow.

    • #89 by Reality Is..... on January 8, 2016 - 10:36 pm

      That blog was fun for awhile. Good variety of topics and good debates. Blogs are no fun with everyone agreeing on everything all the time. Like circle jerking each other.

  23. #90 by joedoe on January 8, 2016 - 4:33 pm

    a little off the subject…Is it ok for the police to shoot a human who points who threatens the safety of an attacking police dog with a knife? http://ktla.com/2016/01/06/suspect-shot-after-allegedly-attacking-injuring-fullerton-police-k-9/ If we don’t have a police oversite committy how do we discuss these issues about police police protocal that are important to our community?

    • #91 by Reality Is..... on January 8, 2016 - 10:33 pm

      Yes it is. It’s ok to kill them too.

  24. #92 by joedoe on January 8, 2016 - 4:41 pm

    In moreno valley the result was much different as the police didn’t use deadly force even though the dog was stabbed almost fataly with a knife. the police used a taser on the suspect instead of guns which the fullerton police decided to do recently. http://ktla.com/2015/10/22/police-dog-suffers-collapsed-lung-after-being-stabbed-by-man-in-moreno-valley-suspect-arrested/

    • #93 by Reality Is..... on January 8, 2016 - 10:34 pm

      All incidents are different. Never even close to the same. Sure if you can use a taser, use it. If not, deadly force is justified. Many bad guys have been killed for trying to kill police dogs. Big boy choices win big boy prizes.

  25. #94 by Anonymous on January 11, 2016 - 11:15 pm

    I believe the police K-9 is considered a tool and doesn’t hold the same status as an officer.

    • #95 by Reality Is..... on January 12, 2016 - 10:36 am

      You would be surprised. Many people in this world are more devastated by animal deaths than human deaths. Courts also are very strict with the killing of K9’s and go for maximum penalties. K9’s are Officers.

  26. #96 by Anonymous on January 12, 2016 - 11:47 am

    I agree that K9’s are more worthy of respect than abusive, violent, and crooked police officers.

    • #97 by Fullerton Lover on January 12, 2016 - 6:26 pm

      Amen to that!

  27. #98 by Kellye Williams on February 13, 2016 - 10:26 pm

    People on both sides are liers and cowards! Money was the only thing that matterd!

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