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Edmund Kim

Edmund Kim This is the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen.

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Nicholas Lee

Nicholas Lee Yea, its pretty dumb.

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John Epson

John Epson This has got to be a joke. I guess they aren’t concerned about the phone in their kid’s pocket or the iPad mini and laptop in their kid’s bag. So stupid.

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Katherine Bigelow

Katherine Bigelow Namita Nabar omg the “wifi causes cancer” people are real

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Jessica Allen

Jessica Allen It seems as if you posted your own letter to gain support but thankfully troy provides such a great education that the only response is disdain for the lack of intelligence behind your claims.

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Jerry Shu

Jerry Shu “Filed under Are they turning their backs on the children?”

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Jerry Shu

Jerry Shu great folder !!!

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Kyle Brooks

Kyle Brooks I went to troy and now work for Newportmesa Unified I am in charge of our wireless access points for 35 school sites these units do not harm you they do not emit enough RF to cause any damage to anyone.

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Ashley Edwards

Ashley Edwards Your kidding.

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Greg Rodriguez

Greg Rodriguez Just put on your tin foil hat! Lmao

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Dewayne Williams

Dewayne Williams This is the dumbest thing I have read. They have wi-fi at work, Starbucks, malls…Yeah u are a douche.

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Zheng Zhu

Zheng Zhu If radio waves are a health threat, then having lights in our classrooms must be the end of life as we know it. Let’s not even get started on going outside into the sunlight.

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Zheng Zhu

Zheng Zhu Also what the heck, how come we didn’t get campus Wi-Fi when I was there. I’d like to send Troy PTSA a formal demand to go back in time to remedy this gross injustice.

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Kim Glovak

Kim Glovak Troy is a TECHNICAL high school. Any parent has a right to transfer their child to another high school. There is also the option to home school. But having your child in a technical high school and simultaneously wanting technology limited is an oxymoron.

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Rick Chi

Rick Chi You obviously lack the basic high school education to understand the science behind the articles you cited as evidence. You didn’t get a reply because nobody takes you, or your ignorance seriously. You might assert that we are somehow brainwashed by our education system, and that YOU somehow got all the relevant information right. But that’s really not the case. The science can’t really be argued against. Vaccines don’t fuck up children, for an example. And Disney’s logo “666” is not some devil’s heathen plan to fuck our world up. Can you stop posting on your shitty website and shut that ignorant shit down please?

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Mark Ahlberg

Mark Ahlberg You obviously didn’t graduate thru the Troy Tech program! Hahah #BeatItGeek

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Soham Patel

Soham Patel Lol when will people realize that the Fullerton Informer is such a deranged news source. I feel as if Troy should stop paying attention to these articles

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Diane King

Diane King Thanks for posting this. There is a lot of denying what the 200 scientists and engineers declare is an “emerging public health crisis.” The citations are irrefutable, government reports, Harvard U, UC Berkeley, Columbia U, etc. Lots of denial, here. The real evidence is that you cannot get insurance for this stuff and lawsuits are starting. oh well . . .

Kyle Golden

Kyle Golden Visible light holds more energy than the radio waves that WiFi uses… and that’s hitting us 24/7. 😐

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Lebronney Ruan

Lebronney Ruan applying that ap chem it’s useful irl!!

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Kyle Golden

Kyle Golden Regli im applying my knowledge!!!!

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Anna Bathgate

Anna Bathgate Except Dr. Oz has been proven to make up stories and facts.

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Joe Imbriano

Joe Imbriano Please look at the science. Dont look at me. I couldnt hold a candle to these experts.

Jerry Shu

Jerry Shu There’s a lot of things you can’t hold a candle to lol

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Jerry Shu

Jerry Shu primarily a head of lettuce

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Kyle Golden

Kyle Golden Science:

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Anna Bathgate

Anna Bathgate Just saying, almost none of your links would be considered peer reviewed and reliable sources so would not be usable in any college level paper. A lot are the equivalent to citing Wikipedia as unbiased fact.

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Diane King

Diane King HEALTH ISSUES | Message to Public Schools and Parents about Wireless Devices and Health M. Powell, is a retired US government scientist (Ph.D., Applied Physics, Harvard University, 1975). During his government career, he worked for the ExecutiSee More

Jordan Tu
Jordan Tu A credible person doesn’t mean valid work by that person. Linus Pauling won the nobel prize for chem but said vitamin supplements could cure cancer but his own death was due to cancer
wifi causing cancer is a laughable claim lol

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Jason Hieu Pham

Jason Hieu Pham The only cancer I ever got from wifi was from toxic communities online

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Kimmillie Tran

Kimmillie Tran since when could you get it from yourself

Joachim Jang

Joachim Jang recursion

Jason Hieu Pham

Jason Hieu Pham I got it from you first

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Kim Laursen James

Kim Laursen James What the heck? I’m just an old alum, but I’m also a teacher. Am I to understand that the PTSA worked hard to raise the money to purchase and install 21st century technology for the benefit of THS students…only to be SUED by some unappreciative, easily suggestible, needs-a-hobby, seeking-15-seconds attorney? No good deed goes unpunished….

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Zheng Zhu

Zheng Zhu So I wrote a response, but Facebook thinks it’s too long so I’m going to post it in pieces. Piece 1 is below.

I don’t usually respond to threads like these, but since I’m on winter break and bored out of my mind, I decided to investigate your claim. I also did it out of scientific curiosity. Maybe you have a point and that radio signals do affect the body differently from how I’d expect it to.

Note that this is rather long, so tl;dr:
I argue, a bit lazily, that it’s unlikely that radio signals can actually cause tissue or genetic damage considering it’s so weak. The Gonzalez link doesn’t hold much water, and I don’t think that Joe Imbriano or Diane King are actually affiliated with Troy and I think they may even be fake accounts.

The first sanity check I looked at was how radio signals are absorbed by body tissues. The human body is relatively opaque to visible light so it may be that despite radio waves being a hundred thousand (100,000) times less energetic than visible light, they can penetrate deeper.[1] Unfortunately I couldn’t find an absorption spectrum for different tissues that goes up to the required wavelength (10,000,000 nm!). However I did find a Wikipedia article detailing how terahertz radiation is used in medical imaging.[2] I didn’t want to have to cite Wikipedia, but I figured that if you had a complaint about my process, then you would show me some competing scientific evidence. Anyways, you’ll find that terahertz radiation gets to a penetration of “several millimeters.” It also states that it’s reflected by tissue of low water content, so fat and bone would both reflect it. Wikipedia also states that is could be useful in the detection of epithelial cancer, or cancers of the type of tissue that line blood vessels and other ducts in the human body.

“But wait!” you might say. “That proves my point! If it can be used to help detect epithelial cancer then it can cause it too!” Well no. It allows detection because the photons are reflected by the epithelium. However, tissue damage occurs when the photon is absorbed and the absorbing material is ionized. So terahertz radiation actually doesn’t cause tissue damage. We can also see that terahertz radiation is much more energetic than radio waves, which are still the main topic of discussion. In fact, radio waves are usually described in gigahertz (10^9 Hz) compared to terahertz (10^12 Hz).

Now you may argue that my last argument isn’t a good one, and you’d be right. I argued that something more energetic doesn’t cause tissue damage so radio waves shouldn’t either. That argument implicitly assumes that if higher energy radiation can’t do damage, then lower energy radiation can’t either. That’s not necessarily a good assumption though you might argue. That’s also a fair point, so let’s get on to your actual link.

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Zheng Zhu
Zheng Zhu I took a look at the Jimmy Gonzalez link [3], and here’s a summary of it for those who don’t care to spend 8 minutes of their life doing so themselves.
1) Gonzalez has 3 scars from cancer surgeries, one on his wrist, one where his aortic bifurcation is (or as he claims, where his phone sat in his suit pocket), and one is behind his ear. The scars aren’t shown on camera so it’s not possible to verify but we’ll take his word on that.
2) Gonzalez compares radio waves to cigarettes from 30 years ago, saying that there are industry-funded studies showing that radio frequency radiation isn’t a problem.
3) Gonzalez claims that there’s a booklet that comes with your phone that states that you should keep your phone 10 mm away from your body (or as he says “1 inch”) at all times.
4) Gonzalez ends by citing some resources related to the topic, some of which have his name attached. He then goes on to compel people to vote for “keeping cellphones away from their bodies.”
Let’s take a look now shall we:
1) Gonzalez never actually explicitly states that his cancer was CAUSED by cellphones. He only every strongly implies it by CORRELATING the locations of his surgeries with the locations that he was likely to keep his cellphone. For one thing, one data point means little to nothing. Additionally, CORRELATION DOES NOT IMPLY CAUSATION! That’s the cardinal rule of statistics, and /s it’s rumored that in ancient times, statisticians who violated this sacred principle were fed to the dogs. Also, it doesn’t help his claim that his cellphone probably was nowhere near the aortic bifurcation. He claims that his cellphone was “in [his] suit pocket,” which is supposed to correlate to his surgery near his aortic bifurcation. If you actually look at a diagram of where the aortic bifurcation is,[4] (Wikipedia again. Apologies to all actual researchers in the world.) you’ll find that it’s below and between your kidneys. As far as I know, no suits have a pocket near or below your belly button, and the suit Gonzalez wore at the testimony didn’t seem to either.
2) That’s just a comparison to draw on people’s fear and emotions. It’s not even a testable hypothesis.
3) I actually accepted his challenge and looked through the information for the Nexus 5 phone.[5] Nowhere does it say that I must keep it 10 mm away from my body, though it cite SAR (specific absorption rate) values during use at 10 mm distance from the body. Interestingly the value for use by the ear doesn’t have a distance associated with it. Hearing him talk about the iPhone 5, I also took the liberty to look at Apple’s values. Apple actually explained their process a bit more.[6] Their value for use by the ear was obtained by simulating use with the phone pressed against the ear. Their value for the body was also obtained at a 10 mm distance. Apple also adds a cautionary word though, that to keep it at the tested levels, one should carry the phone 10 mm away from the body. This flies directly against Gonzalez’s claim that it should be kept 10 mm away from any part of your body at all times. To be completely accurate though, I should say that his claim was for the phone to be kept 1 inch away from all parts of your body, and to get that, he claims that 10 mm is approximately 1 inch. It’s not. 10 mm is approximately 0.4 inches.[7] Besides his atrocious unit conversion, there is some substance to his claim. However, the warning should be more akin to “try to keep your phone’s radio frequency transmitter less than 0.4 inches away from your body to keep it below a legal limit with questionable origin.”
4) Most of his arguments and claims don’t hold water so again, not much discussion.I haven’t looked at the other claim, and I don’t feel a particular compulsion to anymore considering how bad the first link is. Now to end with the obligatory ad hominem argument.Diane King, I find it odd that even though your profile claims that you attended Claremont Graduate College, that I couldn’t find any trace of you on the internet. No PhD thesis, no Master’s thesis, not even a mention of your name on anything related to Claremont Graduate College. I did find someone with your same name on another questionable website who also claims to have attended Claremont Graduate College, but that profile claims to have attended UCLA College of Letters and Sciences while your Facebook profile claims to have attended Cal State Long Beach. I also looked around your profile and you’re friends with Joe Imbriano. What’s more is that both of you seem to share an interest in the same links, all of which use fearmongering to argue a scientifically dubious point. I wonder if your profiles are actually fake, or even run by the same organization that runs the Fullerton Informer. All in all, I find it a little difficult to believe that either you or Joe Imbriano are in any way associated with Troy High School. If you are not, please refrain from posting nonsense here.Reference[1] See http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/ems2.html

for radio wave frequencies and http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/ems3.html

for visible light frequencies and calculate the energy with E = h*f where h is Planck’s constant 6.626 x 10^-34
[2] Terahertz Radiation Wikipedia linkhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terahertz_radiation…


[3] Jimmy Gonzalez testimony link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIlOVJd0lA8


[4] Wikipedia link for aortic bifurcationhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aortic_bifurcation


[5] LG phone SAR values. For Nexus 5, click “Mobile Phone” model LG-D820 and LG-D821. http://www.lg.com/global/support/sar/sar


[6] Apple iPhone 5 SAR pagehttp://www.apple.com/legal/rfexposure/iphone5,1/en/


[7] A unit conversion from mm to inches https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome-psyapi2…

The Amplitude Modulated (AM) radio carrier frequencies are in the frequency range 535-1605 kHz. The frequencies 30-535 kHz are used for maritime communication and navigation and for aircraft navigation. Carrier frequencies of 540 to 1600 kHz are assigned at 10 kHz intervals.
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Joe Imbriano

Joe Imbriano I am a Troy parent and a PTSA member

Zheng Zhu

Zheng Zhu Sure you can say that. I’m not going to believe you, but that’s not the main point of my posts. Either you read them really quickly (a record 5 seconds for several pages of text!) or you didn’t. Try reading it to see how you should approach nonsensical claims in the future.

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Joe Imbriano

Joe Imbriano Zheng Zhu The links to the studies are not fear mongering. Look at the source documents in the demand letter. They are government agencies like NASA, The USAF, Harvard and Yale PHD’s and the like. Lets not make me the issue. Deal with the claims of theSee More

Jerry Shu

Jerry Shu Zheng you put so much work into this post only for Joe over here to ignore everything frown emoticon

It’s okay, I’m sure if he was capable of reading he’d try his best! ;;;

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Zheng Zhu

Zheng Zhu To be honest, I skimmed your letter’s reference list. Not a single one of them comes from a reliable source. They all come from random websites that are necessarily biased towards getting radio frequency radiation out of schools, which is in itself a ridiculous intention. (Radios were invented ages ago and no one seems to complain nearly as much about those even though they’re essentially using the same technology as Wi-Fi). I don’t know where you’re getting NASA and the USAF but I don’t seen any linked research from either organization. I suggest using the source research papers to support your claims, not random politically driven websites.

Also, just a note for you in the future, just because a person has a PhD doesn’t mean they are a knowledgeable or even a reliable source. Heck, Nobel Laureates in the past were supporting eugenics. This is why appeal to ethos, along with appeal to logos, are not acceptable forms of proof in the scientific community.

Jerry Shu

Jerry Shu Zheng Zhu don’t mention eugenics he probably believes in that just like the faked moon landing

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Joe Imbriano

Joe Imbriano Zheng Zhu there is a bibiolgraphy at the end of every document including the USAF papers etc.

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Anna Bathgate

Anna Bathgate Bravo to the Troy PTSA for helping provide more Chromebooks in the classroom. As a Troy alumni and math teacher I have loved at my own school receiving a set in my classroom. It allows teachers to have more dynamic lessons that reflect the current technological age.

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Joe Imbriano

Joe Imbriano Yes the one riddled with autism and infertility

Anna Bathgate

Anna Bathgate You know, because improved medicine and diagnosis practices couldn’t be correlated to the rise in identifying autism and infertility or anything crazy and logical like that.

Joe Imbriano

Joe Imbriano as a school district employee-you have a vested interest in all of this

Soham Patel

Soham Patel The only reason we say it’s riddled with autism is because we have learned how to properly diagnose children from a young age. Autism has not been on the rise because of these EMR nor is it caused by it. I will however not disagree that there are developmental hinderances observed in classrooms such as decrease in motor proficiency due to increased use of touch screen technology. But again, that is because of the tech culture we are in. Our scientific community has learned how to better diagnose autism and work with the families as well. And to the OP (Joe Imbriano was it?) the Fullerton Informer has been disproved multiple times and is citing from questionable sources

Joe Imbriano

Joe Imbriano Soham Patel cite the questionable sources in the demand letter please Mr. Patel.

Soham Patel

Soham Patel From a scientific standpoint, the effect of wifi on the human brain is nonexistent and this is one of the first things discussed in a Chem class at Troy high school. Our H and AP Chem teacher Mrs. Regli even provides scientific evidence and encouragesus to discover this for our own. And again, if you look at others comments, you can see how many loose ends and lack of specificity and elaboration there is in many of the Fullerton Informer.

Soham Patel

Soham Patel Oh, my fault. I should have specified that on general articles there are questionable citations, let me pull some up

Joe Imbriano

Joe Imbriano Soham Patel Mr Patel-here is a PHD Harvard trained pediatric neurologist that contradicts your chem teacherhttp://www.wifiinschools.com/lausd-testimony.html

Dr. Martha Herbert, M.D.  Harvard Medical School  Massachusetts General Hospital
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Anna Bathgate

Anna Bathgate Every single source that is not from a medical journal that has been peer reviewed and replicated would be a questionable source. Your PH.D. wrote a letter and stated that on children that already have learning disabilities they may then be made worse. Not that the wifi causes the disability. He also stated there is a lot of literature but said literature does not in itself mean anything other than qualitative observations rather than quantitative replicable studies.

Joe Imbriano

Joe Imbriano Anna Bathgate looks like we are about to conduct one over Troy HS

Joe Imbriano

Joe Imbriano Anna Bathgate taking her statement out of context is not proper for a Troy alum

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Anna Bathgate

Anna Bathgate This guy has to be a troll, he has a post on his main page talking about the moon landing conspiracy that the US never landed. This is hilarious. His whole Facebook page looks like it could be a special on TheOnion

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Jerry Shu

Jerry Shu Now, I don’t want to be directing attention to unrelated topics in an attempt to ad hominem, but I couldn’t help myself. It’s a bad habit, but one I find hard to break. kiki emoticon

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Soham Patel

Soham Patel Wait, the Fullerton Informer just shows all the PTSAs emails?!?! I feel as if this is a breach of privacy… Are they allowed to do this? Like I know people on that list… And their emails are just blasted on the website

Joe Imbriano

Joe Imbriano Yes I am. Emails are not private, they are public-your school puts them on their web page under the ptsa

Jerry Shu

Jerry Shu but y wud u post them joe????

Jerry Shu

Jerry Shu r u somehow implying that they agree with u?

Joe Imbriano

Joe Imbriano No only that they have been put on notice multiple times and ignored what has been presented as it relates to the health and safety of the student body and staff.

Jerry Shu

Jerry Shu Maybe it’s because they don’t care about your inane babble, but I can’t be sure.

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Joe Imbriano

Joe Imbriano It is called full disclosure. You have people ignoring warnings relating to student health and are working against scientific experts in their field. You have people making health decisions for the students and all of you have never been presented with the other side of this debate. The fact that microwave exposure is not safe and is not necessary and should never be a condition of receiving an education.

Jerry Shu

Jerry Shu Hey, so did you read Zheng’s post? Because if you did, you were either too ignorant or too stupid to absorb any of it.

Feel free to take your pick.

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Joe Imbriano

Joe Imbriano Jerry Shu I did. I was not the one who posted the videos-I posted the demand letter and the source documents are what you need to look at.

Joe Imbriano

Joe Imbriano Jerry Shu the scientists work is not inane babble. Stop being infantile and read the documents.

Jerry Shu

Jerry Shu I would, but I have time better spent on just about everything else

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Jerry Shu

Jerry Shu OH MAN JOE YOU MAKE IT TOO EASY

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Anna Bathgate

Anna Bathgate The beautiful thing about public education is the inter-district and intra-district transfers. Or even more so, home schooling. You don’t like what a school is doing even though they ROCK in the national and state STEM rankings? Then move your kid out and leave room for someone else that is working their ass off to get in.

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Joe Imbriano

Joe Imbriano Anna, my taxes fund that school, my child attends and wireless is in all of them, including the one you work at. Transfers are not an option

Anna Bathgate

Anna Bathgate If you home school you can control your wireless and document any expenses for the home schooling as a tax write off. I on the other hand will sit here posting from my wireless device and think of how grateful I am that I was able to be a transfer stuSee More

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Jerry Santoso

Jerry Santoso So much roast

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Joe Imbriano

Joe Imbriano Tell you what-lets get this demand letter printed in the Oracle-lets get the debate team on this and lets have the science department replicate the following experiment- http://thefullertoninformer.com/the-tools-of-21st…/

Jerry Shu

Jerry Shu that just sounds like a waste of time

Kyle Golden

Kyle Golden Yes but we are not seeds. We are human beings.

Kyle Patel

Kyle Patel Lol the oracle would never print trash like this

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Anna Bathgate

Anna Bathgate Troy grads, can’t you just imagine Madrid posing as someone like this, trying to rile everyone up to prove a point to his students about not believing everything they hear, and then having it suddenly end with discovering that wifi turns everyone into Pink Gorillas.

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Joe Imbriano

Joe Imbriano Read the source documents in the demand letter. No one is talking about pink gorillas except for you.

Kyle Golden

Kyle Golden I don’t think you understood the reference… XD

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Joe Imbriano

Joe Imbriano Kyle Golden Oh I do. I did a story on the Oracle a few months back. Did you read it?

Jerry Shu

Jerry Shu (the reference was to mr madrid’s story about pink gorillas, which you would only get if you were a troy alum)

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Joe Imbriano

Joe Imbriano Jerry Shu back to the issue Jerry-the school and PTSA is forcing microwave exposure on everyone, in spite of the dire warnings of experts. How do you rationalize defending this/

Kyle Golden

Kyle Golden The issue isn’t whether they’re exposing us to microwave radiation. The issue is whether that radiation has any meaningful effects. Which it has been proven that it in fact does not.

Joe Imbriano

Joe Imbriano Kyle Golden Read the source documents in the demand letter. They have known about the harmful effects for decades Kyle.

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Edmund Kim

Edmund Kim This is the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen.

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Nicholas Lee

Nicholas Lee Yea, its pretty dumb.

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John Epson

John Epson This has got to be a joke. I guess they aren’t concerned about the phone in their kid’s pocket or the iPad mini and laptop in their kid’s bag. So stupid.

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Katherine Bigelow

Katherine Bigelow Namita Nabar omg the “wifi causes cancer” people are real

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Jessica Allen

Jessica Allen It seems as if you posted your own letter to gain support but thankfully troy provides such a great education that the only response is disdain for the lack of intelligence behind your claims.

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Jerry Shu

Jerry Shu “Filed under Are they turning their backs on the children?”

XD

Jerry Shu

Jerry Shu great folder !!!

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Kyle Brooks

Kyle Brooks I went to troy and now work for Newportmesa Unified I am in charge of our wireless access points for 35 school sites these units do not harm you they do not emit enough RF to cause any damage to anyone.

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Ashley Edwards

Ashley Edwards Your kidding.

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Greg Rodriguez

Greg Rodriguez Just put on your tin foil hat! Lmao

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Dewayne Williams

Dewayne Williams This is the dumbest thing I have read. They have wi-fi at work, Starbucks, malls…Yeah u are a douche.

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Zheng Zhu

Zheng Zhu If radio waves are a health threat, then having lights in our classrooms must be the end of life as we know it. Let’s not even get started on going outside into the sunlight.

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Zheng Zhu

Zheng Zhu Also what the heck, how come we didn’t get campus Wi-Fi when I was there. I’d like to send Troy PTSA a formal demand to go back in time to remedy this gross injustice.

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Kim Glovak

Kim Glovak Troy is a TECHNICAL high school. Any parent has a right to transfer their child to another high school. There is also the option to home school. But having your child in a technical high school and simultaneously wanting technology limited is an oxymoron.

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Rick Chi

Rick Chi You obviously lack the basic high school education to understand the science behind the articles you cited as evidence. You didn’t get a reply because nobody takes you, or your ignorance seriously. You might assert that we are somehow brainwashed by our education system, and that YOU somehow got all the relevant information right. But that’s really not the case. The science can’t really be argued against. Vaccines don’t fuck up children, for an example. And Disney’s logo “666” is not some devil’s heathen plan to fuck our world up. Can you stop posting on your shitty website and shut that ignorant shit down please?

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Mark Ahlberg

Mark Ahlberg You obviously didn’t graduate thru the Troy Tech program! Hahah #BeatItGeek

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Soham Patel

Soham Patel Lol when will people realize that the Fullerton Informer is such a deranged news source. I feel as if Troy should stop paying attention to these articles

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Diane King

Diane King Thanks for posting this. There is a lot of denying what the 200 scientists and engineers declare is an “emerging public health crisis.” The citations are irrefutable, government reports, Harvard U, UC Berkeley, Columbia U, etc. Lots of denial, here. The real evidence is that you cannot get insurance for this stuff and lawsuits are starting. oh well . . .

Kyle Golden

Kyle Golden Visible light holds more energy than the radio waves that WiFi uses… and that’s hitting us 24/7. 😐

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Lebronney Ruan

Lebronney Ruan applying that ap chem it’s useful irl!!

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Kyle Golden

Kyle Golden Regli im applying my knowledge!!!!

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Anna Bathgate

Anna Bathgate Except Dr. Oz has been proven to make up stories and facts.

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Joe Imbriano

Joe Imbriano Please look at the science. Dont look at me. I couldnt hold a candle to these experts.

Jerry Shu

Jerry Shu There’s a lot of things you can’t hold a candle to lol

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Jerry Shu

Jerry Shu primarily a head of lettuce

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Kyle Golden

Kyle Golden Science:

1 mole of visible light photons (the least energetic of all lights, red light) holds: 159607 J of energySee More

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Anna Bathgate

Anna Bathgate Just saying, almost none of your links would be considered peer reviewed and reliable sources so would not be usable in any college level paper. A lot are the equivalent to citing Wikipedia as unbiased fact.

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Diane King HEALTH ISSUES | Message to Public Schools and Parents about Wireless Devices and Health M. Powell, is a retired US government scientist (Ph.D., Applied Physics, Harvard University, 1975). During his government career, he worked for the ExecutiSee More

Jordan Tu
Jordan Tu A credible person doesn’t mean valid work by that person. Linus Pauling won the nobel prize for chem but said vitamin supplements could cure cancer but his own death was due to cancer
wifi causing cancer is a laughable claim lol

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Jason Hieu Pham The only cancer I ever got from wifi was from toxic communities online

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Kimmillie Tran since when could you get it from yourself

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Joachim Jang recursion

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Jason Hieu Pham I got it from you first

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Kim Laursen James

Kim Laursen James What the heck? I’m just an old alum, but I’m also a teacher. Am I to understand that the PTSA worked hard to raise the money to purchase and install 21st century technology for the benefit of THS students…only to be SUED by some unappreciative, easily suggestible, needs-a-hobby, seeking-15-seconds attorney? No good deed goes unpunished….

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Zheng Zhu

Zheng Zhu So I wrote a response, but Facebook thinks it’s too long so I’m going to post it in pieces. Piece 1 is below.

I don’t usually respond to threads like these, but since I’m on winter break and bored out of my mind, I decided to investigate your claim. I also did it out of scientific curiosity. Maybe you have a point and that radio signals do affect the body differently from how I’d expect it to.

Note that this is rather long, so tl;dr:
I argue, a bit lazily, that it’s unlikely that radio signals can actually cause tissue or genetic damage considering it’s so weak. The Gonzalez link doesn’t hold much water, and I don’t think that Joe Imbriano or Diane King are actually affiliated with Troy and I think they may even be fake accounts.

The first sanity check I looked at was how radio signals are absorbed by body tissues. The human body is relatively opaque to visible light so it may be that despite radio waves being a hundred thousand (100,000) times less energetic than visible light, they can penetrate deeper.[1] Unfortunately I couldn’t find an absorption spectrum for different tissues that goes up to the required wavelength (10,000,000 nm!). However I did find a Wikipedia article detailing how terahertz radiation is used in medical imaging.[2] I didn’t want to have to cite Wikipedia, but I figured that if you had a complaint about my process, then you would show me some competing scientific evidence. Anyways, you’ll find that terahertz radiation gets to a penetration of “several millimeters.” It also states that it’s reflected by tissue of low water content, so fat and bone would both reflect it. Wikipedia also states that is could be useful in the detection of epithelial cancer, or cancers of the type of tissue that line blood vessels and other ducts in the human body.

“But wait!” you might say. “That proves my point! If it can be used to help detect epithelial cancer then it can cause it too!” Well no. It allows detection because the photons are reflected by the epithelium. However, tissue damage occurs when the photon is absorbed and the absorbing material is ionized. So terahertz radiation actually doesn’t cause tissue damage. We can also see that terahertz radiation is much more energetic than radio waves, which are still the main topic of discussion. In fact, radio waves are usually described in gigahertz (10^9 Hz) compared to terahertz (10^12 Hz).

Now you may argue that my last argument isn’t a good one, and you’d be right. I argued that something more energetic doesn’t cause tissue damage so radio waves shouldn’t either. That argument implicitly assumes that if higher energy radiation can’t do damage, then lower energy radiation can’t either. That’s not necessarily a good assumption though you might argue. That’s also a fair point, so let’s get on to your actual link.

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Zheng Zhu I took a look at the Jimmy Gonzalez link [3], and here’s a summary of it for those who don’t care to spend 8 minutes of their life doing so themselves.
1) Gonzalez has 3 scars from cancer surgeries, one on his wrist, one where his aortic bifurcation is (or as he claims, where his phone sat in his suit pocket), and one is behind his ear. The scars aren’t shown on camera so it’s not possible to verify but we’ll take his word on that.
2) Gonzalez compares radio waves to cigarettes from 30 years ago, saying that there are industry-funded studies showing that radio frequency radiation isn’t a problem.
3) Gonzalez claims that there’s a booklet that comes with your phone that states that you should keep your phone 10 mm away from your body (or as he says “1 inch”) at all times.
4) Gonzalez ends by citing some resources related to the topic, some of which have his name attached. He then goes on to compel people to vote for “keeping cellphones away from their bodies.”
Let’s take a look now shall we:
1) Gonzalez never actually explicitly states that his cancer was CAUSED by cellphones. He only every strongly implies it by CORRELATING the locations of his surgeries with the locations that he was likely to keep his cellphone. For one thing, one data point means little to nothing. Additionally, CORRELATION DOES NOT IMPLY CAUSATION! That’s the cardinal rule of statistics, and /s it’s rumored that in ancient times, statisticians who violated this sacred principle were fed to the dogs. Also, it doesn’t help his claim that his cellphone probably was nowhere near the aortic bifurcation. He claims that his cellphone was “in [his] suit pocket,” which is supposed to correlate to his surgery near his aortic bifurcation. If you actually look at a diagram of where the aortic bifurcation is,[4] (Wikipedia again. Apologies to all actual researchers in the world.) you’ll find that it’s below and between your kidneys. As far as I know, no suits have a pocket near or below your belly button, and the suit Gonzalez wore at the testimony didn’t seem to either.
2) That’s just a comparison to draw on people’s fear and emotions. It’s not even a testable hypothesis.
3) I actually accepted his challenge and looked through the information for the Nexus 5 phone.[5] Nowhere does it say that I must keep it 10 mm away from my body, though it cite SAR (specific absorption rate) values during use at 10 mm distance from the body. Interestingly the value for use by the ear doesn’t have a distance associated with it. Hearing him talk about the iPhone 5, I also took the liberty to look at Apple’s values. Apple actually explained their process a bit more.[6] Their value for use by the ear was obtained by simulating use with the phone pressed against the ear. Their value for the body was also obtained at a 10 mm distance. Apple also adds a cautionary word though, that to keep it at the tested levels, one should carry the phone 10 mm away from the body. This flies directly against Gonzalez’s claim that it should be kept 10 mm away from any part of your body at all times. To be completely accurate though, I should say that his claim was for the phone to be kept 1 inch away from all parts of your body, and to get that, he claims that 10 mm is approximately 1 inch. It’s not. 10 mm is approximately 0.4 inches.[7] Besides his atrocious unit conversion, there is some substance to his claim. However, the warning should be more akin to “try to keep your phone’s radio frequency transmitter less than 0.4 inches away from your body to keep it below a legal limit with questionable origin.”
4) Most of his arguments and claims don’t hold water so again, not much discussion.I haven’t looked at the other claim, and I don’t feel a particular compulsion to anymore considering how bad the first link is. Now to end with the obligatory ad hominem argument.Diane King, I find it odd that even though your profile claims that you attended Claremont Graduate College, that I couldn’t find any trace of you on the internet. No PhD thesis, no Master’s thesis, not even a mention of your name on anything related to Claremont Graduate College. I did find someone with your same name on another questionable website who also claims to have attended Claremont Graduate College, but that profile claims to have attended UCLA College of Letters and Sciences while your Facebook profile claims to have attended Cal State Long Beach. I also looked around your profile and you’re friends with Joe Imbriano. What’s more is that both of you seem to share an interest in the same links, all of which use fearmongering to argue a scientifically dubious point. I wonder if your profiles are actually fake, or even run by the same organization that runs the Fullerton Informer. All in all, I find it a little difficult to believe that either you or Joe Imbriano are in any way associated with Troy High School. If you are not, please refrain from posting nonsense here.

Reference

[1] See http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/ems2.html

for radio wave frequencies and http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/ems3.html

for visible light frequencies and calculate the energy with E = h*f where h is Planck’s constant 6.626 x 10^-34
[2] Terahertz Radiation Wikipedia linkhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terahertz_radiation…


[3] Jimmy Gonzalez testimony link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIlOVJd0lA8


[4] Wikipedia link for aortic bifurcationhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aortic_bifurcation


[5] LG phone SAR values. For Nexus 5, click “Mobile Phone” model LG-D820 and LG-D821. http://www.lg.com/global/support/sar/sar


[6] Apple iPhone 5 SAR pagehttp://www.apple.com/legal/rfexposure/iphone5,1/en/


[7] A unit conversion from mm to inches https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome-psyapi2…

The Amplitude Modulated (AM) radio carrier frequencies are in the frequency range 535-1605 kHz. The frequencies 30-535 kHz are used for maritime communication and navigation and for aircraft navigation. Carrier frequencies of 540 to 1600 kHz are assigned at 10 kHz intervals.
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Joe Imbriano

Joe Imbriano I am a Troy parent and a PTSA member

Zheng Zhu

Zheng Zhu Sure you can say that. I’m not going to believe you, but that’s not the main point of my posts. Either you read them really quickly (a record 5 seconds for several pages of text!) or you didn’t. Try reading it to see how you should approach nonsensical claims in the future.

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Joe Imbriano Zheng Zhu The links to the studies are not fear mongering. Look at the source documents in the demand letter. They are government agencies like NASA, The USAF, Harvard and Yale PHD’s and the like. Lets not make me the issue. Deal with the claims of theSee More

Jerry Shu

Jerry Shu Zheng you put so much work into this post only for Joe over here to ignore everything frown emoticon

It’s okay, I’m sure if he was capable of reading he’d try his best! ;;;

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Zheng Zhu To be honest, I skimmed your letter’s reference list. Not a single one of them comes from a reliable source. They all come from random websites that are necessarily biased towards getting radio frequency radiation out of schools, which is in itself a ridiculous intention. (Radios were invented ages ago and no one seems to complain nearly as much about those even though they’re essentially using the same technology as Wi-Fi). I don’t know where you’re getting NASA and the USAF but I don’t seen any linked research from either organization. I suggest using the source research papers to support your claims, not random politically driven websites.

Also, just a note for you in the future, just because a person has a PhD doesn’t mean they are a knowledgeable or even a reliable source. Heck, Nobel Laureates in the past were supporting eugenics. This is why appeal to ethos, along with appeal to logos, are not acceptable forms of proof in the scientific community.

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Jerry Shu Zheng Zhu don’t mention eugenics he probably believes in that just like the faked moon landing

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Joe Imbriano Zheng Zhu there is a bibiolgraphy at the end of every document including the USAF papers etc.

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Anna Bathgate

Anna Bathgate Bravo to the Troy PTSA for helping provide more Chromebooks in the classroom. As a Troy alumni and math teacher I have loved at my own school receiving a set in my classroom. It allows teachers to have more dynamic lessons that reflect the current technological age.

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Joe Imbriano Yes the one riddled with autism and infertility

Anna Bathgate

Anna Bathgate You know, because improved medicine and diagnosis practices couldn’t be correlated to the rise in identifying autism and infertility or anything crazy and logical like that.

Joe Imbriano

Joe Imbriano as a school district employee-you have a vested interest in all of this

Soham Patel

Soham Patel The only reason we say it’s riddled with autism is because we have learned how to properly diagnose children from a young age. Autism has not been on the rise because of these EMR nor is it caused by it. I will however not disagree that there are developmental hinderances observed in classrooms such as decrease in motor proficiency due to increased use of touch screen technology. But again, that is because of the tech culture we are in. Our scientific community has learned how to better diagnose autism and work with the families as well. And to the OP (Joe Imbriano was it?) the Fullerton Informer has been disproved multiple times and is citing from questionable sources

Joe Imbriano

Joe Imbriano Soham Patel cite the questionable sources in the demand letter please Mr. Patel.

Soham Patel

Soham Patel From a scientific standpoint, the effect of wifi on the human brain is nonexistent and this is one of the first things discussed in a Chem class at Troy high school. Our H and AP Chem teacher Mrs. Regli even provides scientific evidence and encouragesus to discover this for our own. And again, if you look at others comments, you can see how many loose ends and lack of specificity and elaboration there is in many of the Fullerton Informer.

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Soham Patel Oh, my fault. I should have specified that on general articles there are questionable citations, let me pull some up

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Joe Imbriano Soham Patel Mr Patel-here is a PHD Harvard trained pediatric neurologist that contradicts your chem teacherhttp://www.wifiinschools.com/lausd-testimony.html

Dr. Martha Herbert, M.D.  Harvard Medical School  Massachusetts General Hospital
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Anna Bathgate

Anna Bathgate Every single source that is not from a medical journal that has been peer reviewed and replicated would be a questionable source. Your PH.D. wrote a letter and stated that on children that already have learning disabilities they may then be made worse. Not that the wifi causes the disability. He also stated there is a lot of literature but said literature does not in itself mean anything other than qualitative observations rather than quantitative replicable studies.

Joe Imbriano

Joe Imbriano Anna Bathgate looks like we are about to conduct one over Troy HS

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Joe Imbriano Anna Bathgate taking her statement out of context is not proper for a Troy alum

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Anna Bathgate This guy has to be a troll, he has a post on his main page talking about the moon landing conspiracy that the US never landed. This is hilarious. His whole Facebook page looks like it could be a special on TheOnion

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Jerry Shu Now, I don’t want to be directing attention to unrelated topics in an attempt to ad hominem, but I couldn’t help myself. It’s a bad habit, but one I find hard to break. kiki emoticon

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Soham Patel

Soham Patel Wait, the Fullerton Informer just shows all the PTSAs emails?!?! I feel as if this is a breach of privacy… Are they allowed to do this? Like I know people on that list… And their emails are just blasted on the website

Joe Imbriano

Joe Imbriano Yes I am. Emails are not private, they are public-your school puts them on their web page under the ptsa

Jerry Shu

Jerry Shu but y wud u post them joe????

Jerry Shu

Jerry Shu r u somehow implying that they agree with u?

Joe Imbriano

Joe Imbriano No only that they have been put on notice multiple times and ignored what has been presented as it relates to the health and safety of the student body and staff.

Jerry Shu

Jerry Shu Maybe it’s because they don’t care about your inane babble, but I can’t be sure.

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Joe Imbriano It is called full disclosure. You have people ignoring warnings relating to student health and are working against scientific experts in their field. You have people making health decisions for the students and all of you have never been presented with the other side of this debate. The fact that microwave exposure is not safe and is not necessary and should never be a condition of receiving an education.

Jerry Shu

Jerry Shu Hey, so did you read Zheng’s post? Because if you did, you were either too ignorant or too stupid to absorb any of it.

Feel free to take your pick.

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Joe Imbriano Jerry Shu I did. I was not the one who posted the videos-I posted the demand letter and the source documents are what you need to look at.

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Joe Imbriano Jerry Shu the scientists work is not inane babble. Stop being infantile and read the documents.

Jerry Shu

Jerry Shu I would, but I have time better spent on just about everything else

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Jerry Shu OH MAN JOE YOU MAKE IT TOO EASY

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Anna Bathgate The beautiful thing about public education is the inter-district and intra-district transfers. Or even more so, home schooling. You don’t like what a school is doing even though they ROCK in the national and state STEM rankings? Then move your kid out and leave room for someone else that is working their ass off to get in.

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Joe Imbriano Anna, my taxes fund that school, my child attends and wireless is in all of them, including the one you work at. Transfers are not an option

Anna Bathgate

Anna Bathgate If you home school you can control your wireless and document any expenses for the home schooling as a tax write off. I on the other hand will sit here posting from my wireless device and think of how grateful I am that I was able to be a transfer stuSee More

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Jerry Santoso So much roast

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Joe Imbriano Tell you what-lets get this demand letter printed in the Oracle-lets get the debate team on this and lets have the science department replicate the following experiment- http://thefullertoninformer.com/the-tools-of-21st…/

Jerry Shu

Jerry Shu that just sounds like a waste of time

Kyle Golden

Kyle Golden Yes but we are not seeds. We are human beings.

Kyle Patel

Kyle Patel Lol the oracle would never print trash like this

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Anna Bathgate Troy grads, can’t you just imagine Madrid posing as someone like this, trying to rile everyone up to prove a point to his students about not believing everything they hear, and then having it suddenly end with discovering that wifi turns everyone into Pink Gorillas.

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Joe Imbriano

Joe Imbriano Read the source documents in the demand letter. No one is talking about pink gorillas except for you.

Kyle Golden

Kyle Golden I don’t think you understood the reference… XD

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Joe Imbriano

Joe Imbriano Kyle Golden Oh I do. I did a story on the Oracle a few months back. Did you read it?

Jerry Shu

Jerry Shu (the reference was to mr madrid’s story about pink gorillas, which you would only get if you were a troy alum)

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Joe Imbriano Jerry Shu back to the issue Jerry-the school and PTSA is forcing microwave exposure on everyone, in spite of the dire warnings of experts. How do you rationalize defending this/

Kyle Golden

Kyle Golden The issue isn’t whether they’re exposing us to microwave radiation. The issue is whether that radiation has any meaningful effects. Which it has been proven that it in fact does not.

Joe Imbriano

Joe Imbriano Kyle Golden Read the source documents in the demand letter. They have known about the harmful effects for decades Kyle.

  1. #1 by Troy students on January 15, 2016 - 3:23 pm

    Just goes to prove that the only education these kids are getting is one where they are incapable of considering that what they think they know is, in fact, no so.

    What a waste.

    The time for their critical thinking to kick in is now and they cannot rise to the occasion for their own well being. They are young, too, which is sad.

  2. #2 by Troy students on January 15, 2016 - 3:28 pm

    Open letter by British medical doctors: Health and safety of Wi-Fi and mobile phones
    We wish to highlight our concern over the safety of exposure to microwave radiation from wireless technology, particularly for vulnerable groups like children, pregnant women, the elderly and those with compromised health.

    There is growing concern that chronic (long-term) exposure to radiofrequency/microwave radiation from wireless technologies causes damage, particularly genetic damage, cognitive damage, cancer and decreased fertility. There is now substantial evidence of a link between mobile phone use and brain cancer. This was recognised by the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC)’s 30-strong panel of scientists, which in 2011 classed radiofrequency radiation as “possibly carcinogenic”.
    Additionally, doctors are encountering a significant and growing number of people presenting with a range of acute (short-term) symptoms from wireless radiation, including headaches, palpitations, rashes, fatigue, sleep disturbance, allergies and memory and concentration problems.
    International medical agencies have recognised the evidence of harm (see appended list) but these rulings may take many years to be reflected in public health policy. This controversy is a common characteristic of scientific understanding when environmental exposures are new.
    New technologies and substances often come with scientific conflict, which can continue for several decades before consensus is achieved. Commercial pressures often delay the acceptance of health risks, even when scientific evidence is compelling. In the case of tobacco, asbestos, x-rays and leaded petrol, for example, it took many decades before damage was established and accepted by health agencies and, during those decades, millions of people suffered ill health and death as a result of the delay. Now, despite evidence of harm, wireless technology is being rolled out widely.
    We urge health agencies and the public to act immediately to reduce exposure to radiofrequency/ microwave radiation. This is especially important for children, who are physiologically more vulnerable to this exposure and for whom adults have a safeguarding responsibility. Children’s health should be put ahead of convenience and commercial benefits. Children should not use mobile phones except in an emergency, and WiFi should be replaced with wired alternatives in schools and other settings where children spend considerable time.
    Yours faithfully,
    Dr Elizabeth Evans MA (Cantab), MBBS (Lond), DRCOG – medical doctor
    Dr Andrew Tresidder MRCGP (1989), MBBS (Lond) – medical doctor
    Dr Erica Mallery Blythe BM – medical doctor
    BCM SSITA London WC1N 3XX http://www.ssita.org.uk

  3. #3 by Microwave Radiation in School on January 15, 2016 - 3:30 pm

    34 Scientific Studies Showing Adverse Health Effects From Wi-Fi
    Sunday, November 03, 2013

    The papers listed are only those where exposures were 16V/m or below. Someone using a Wi-Fi-enabled tablet computer can be exposed to electromagnetic fields up to 16V/m. Papers are in alphabetical order. A file of first pages, for printing, can be found here.
    If you feel like sending a copy of this collection to the local schools in your area, you can search for them here and either print out this article to post or email the link.

    Wi-Fi papers

    1. Atasoy H.I. et al., 2013. Immunohistopathologic demonstration of deleterious effects on growing rat testes of radiofrequency waves emitted from conventional Wi-Fi devices. Journal of Pediatric Urology 9(2): 223-229. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22465825

    2. Avendaño C. et al., 2012. Use of laptop computers connected to internet through Wi-Fi decreases human sperm motility and increases sperm DNA fragmentation. Fertility and Sterility 97(1): 39-45. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22112647

    3. Avendaño C. et al., 2010. Laptop expositions affect motility and induce DNA fragmentation in human spermatozoa in vitro by a non-thermal effect: a preliminary report. American Society for Reproductive Medicine 66th Annual Meeting: O-249. http://wifiinschools.org.uk/resources/laptops+and+sperm.pdf

    4. Aynali G. et al., 2013. Modulation of wireless (2.45 GHz)-induced oxidative toxicity in laryngotracheal mucosa of rat by melatonin. Eur Arch Otorhinolaryngol 270(5): 16951700. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23479077

    5. Gumral N. et al., 2009. Effects of selenium and L-carnitine on oxidative stress in blood of rat induced by 2.45-GHz radiation from wireless devices. Biol Trace Elem Res. 132(1-3): 153-163. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19396408

    6. Havas M. et al., 2010. Provocation study using heart rate variability shows microwave radiation from 2.4GHz cordless phone affects autonomic nervous system. European Journal of Oncology Library Vol. 5: 273-300. http://www.icems.eu/papers.htm?f=/c/a/2009/12/15/MNHJ1B49KH.DTL part 2.

    7. Havas M. and Marrongelle J. 2013. Replication of heart rate variability provocation study with 2.45GHz cordless phone confirms original findings. Electromagn Biol Med 32(2): 253-266. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23675629

    8. Maganioti A. E. et al., 2010. Wi-Fi electromagnetic fields exert gender related alterations on EEG. 6th International Workshop on Biological Effects of Electromagnetic fields. http://www.istanbul.edu.tr/6internatwshopbioeffemf/cd/pdf/poster/WI-FI%20ELECTROMAGNETIC%20FIELDS%20EXERT%20GENDER.pdf

    9. Margaritis L.H. et al., 2013. Drosophila oogenesis as a bio-marker responding to EMF sources. Electromagn Biol Med., Epub ahead of print. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23915130

    10. Naziroğlu M. and Gumral 2009. Modulator effects of L-carnitine and selenium on wireless devices (2.45 GHz)-induced oxidative stress and electroencephalography records in brain of rat. Int J Radiat Biol. 85(8): 680-689. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19637079

    11. Nazıroğlu M. et al., 2012. 2.45-Gz wireless devices induce oxidative stress and proliferation through cytosolic Ca2+ influx in human leukemia cancer cells. International Journal of Radiation Biology 88(6): 449–
    456. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22489926
    12. Nazıroğlu M. et al., 2012b. Melatonin modulates wireless (2.45 GHz)-induced oxidative injury through TRPM2 and voltage gated Ca(2+) channels in brain and dorsal root ganglion in rat. Physiol Behav. 105(3): 683-92. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22019785

    13. Oksay T. et al., 2012. Protective effects of melatonin against oxidative injury in rat testis induced by wireless (2.45 GHz) devices. Andrologia doi: 10.1111/and.12044, Epub ahead of print. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23145464

    14. Papageorgiou C. C. et al., 2011. Effects of Wi-Fi signals on the p300 component of event-related potentials during an auditory hayling task. Journal of Integrative Neuroscience 10(2): 189-202. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21714138 (Wi-Fi alters brain activity in young adults: http://wifiinschools.org.uk/resources/wifi+brain+July+2011.pdf)

    15. Shahin S. et al., 2013. 2.45 GHz Microwave Irradiation-Induced Oxidative Stress Affects Implantation or Pregnancy in Mice, Mus musculus. Appl Biochem Biotechnol 169: 1727–1751. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23334843

    16. Türker Y. et al., 2011. Selenium and L-carnitine reduce oxidative stress in the heart of rat induced by 2.45-GHz radiation from wireless devices. Biol Trace Elem Res. 143(3): 1640-1650. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21360060

    And here are a few more studies of similar microwave frequencies at low exposures (6V/m or below) (this is not comprehensive):

    17. Balmori A. 2010. Mobile phone mast effects on common frog (Rana temporaria) tadpoles: the city turned into a laboratory. Electromagn. Biol. Med. 29(1-2):31-35. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20560769

    18. Erdinc O. O. et al., 2003. Electromagnetic waves of 900MHz in acute pentylenetetrazole model in ontogenesis in mice. Neurol. Sci. 24:111-116. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14600821

    19. Fesenko E. E. et al., 1999. Stimulation of murine natural killer cells by weak electromagnetic waves in the centimeter range. Biofizika 44:737–741. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10544828

    20. Fesenko E. E. et al., 1999. Microwaves and cellular immunity. I. Effect of whole body microwave irradiation on tumor necrosis factor production in mouse cells, Bioelectrochem.Bioenerg. 49:29–35. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10619445

    21. Havas M. et al., 2010. Provocation study using heart rate variability shows microwave radiation from 2.4GHz cordless phone affects autonomic nervous system. European Journal of Oncology Library Vol. 5: 273-300. http://www.icems.eu/papers.htm?f=/c/a/2009/12/15/MNHJ1B49KH.DTL part 2.

    22. Kesari K. K. and Behari J., 2009. Microwave exposure affecting reproductive system in male rats. Appl. Biochem. Biotechnol. 162(2):416-428. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19768389

    23. Kesari K. K. and Behari J., 2009. Fifty-gigahertz microwave exposure effect of radiations on rat brain. Appl. Biochem. Biotechnol. 158:126-139. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19089649

    24. Khurana V. G. et al., 2010. Epidemiological Evidence for a Health Risk from Mobile Phone Base Stations. Int. J. Occup. Environ. Health 16:263–267. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20662418

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  4. #4 by Council of Europe's Parliamentary Committee on the Environment on January 15, 2016 - 3:50 pm

    Dear Chairman and Trustees,

    I am attaching for your information and consideration the latest global news on the issue of wireless technology.

    It comes from the Council of Europe’s Parliamentary Committee on the Environment, which was appointed to study the effects of electromagnetic fields on the environment and human health.

    This Committee’s report, including the draft Resolution, was adopted unanimously on April 11, 2011 by 17 signatories representing 15 countries. The report is a factual 12 page summary of the current knowledge and issues surrounding the use of electromagnetic fields. Notably, in the context of wireless technology, it recommends that European governments “take all reasonable measures to reduce exposure to electromagnetic fields”, including banning cell phones and Wi-Fi from schools.

    This Report is compelling in its urgency and definitive stance on the substantial evidence of harm which exists about this industry-driven technology.
    Please click here to view:
    http://assembly.coe.int/Main.asp?link=/Documents/WorkingDocs/Doc11/EDOC12608.htm

    This report makes a number of important points, including that:
    – there is sufficient scientific evidence of potentially harmful biological effects of electromagnetic fields on plants, insects, animals, and humans;
    – it is necessary to reconsider the scientific basis for currently low government standards which have been developed by the ICNIRP, an NGO with questionable ties to the industry which stands to benefit from these low standards;
    – overwhelmingly, scientific claims of ‘no harm’ tend to be industry-funded, and an urgent need exists for objective scientific evidence and publicly-funded research to assess risks and appropriate standards; and
    – given the unprecedented level of electromagnetic radiation in all forms and the scientific uncertainties regarding health hazards, the Precautionary Principle must take precedence over the economic, technological and social development of society, with particular emphasis on the health of children.

    It is hard to deny the facts, conclusions and recommendations presented in this report.
    It is harder still to believe that any Canadian school board, with the knowledge provided in this report (by countries which have had the experience of wireless for longer than we in Canada), would allow the children under its care to be forcibly exposed to the inarguably cumulative effects of wireless radiation.

    Please note that the content of this report is consistent with the two European Parliament resolutions passed in 2008 and 2009, which highlighted the harm of wireless technology (mobile phones, Wi-Fi / WiMAX, Bluetooth, DECT landline telephones), particularly to pregnant women, newborn babies and children.
    In addition, all of these reports: (1) asserted that the standard set by the World Health Organization (and thus Health Canada) is not only inadequate but outdated; and (2) affirmed that electrosensitivity is a valid physical disability, and electrosensitive patients require special protection.
    The Council of Europe is comprised of 47 countries and the EU Parliament represents 27 countries. These two separate institutions of European leaders have examined the issue thoroughly and come to the same conclusion regarding the need to protect their citizens from electromagnetic radiation.
    As school trustees, who have been entrusted with the responsibility of ensuring our children’s education and safety while in school, we are imploring you to implement a ban on wireless technology in our schools.
    After comprehending the findings and implications of this report, responsible parents will not consent to Wi-Fi in our schools, convenience be damned. As trustees, we would expect you to heed our wishes and concur that our school children are as deserving of the same care and priority on health that Europe is advocating for its citizens.

  5. #5 by Columbia University, College of Physicians and Surgeons on January 15, 2016 - 3:51 pm

    Columbia University, College of Physicians and Surgeons
    Department of Physiology and Cellular Biophysics 630 West 168 Street
    New York, NY 10032

    Greater Victoria Board of Education (SD 61)
    Trustees@sd61.bc.ca
    Telephone: (212) 305-3644 Telefax: (212) 305-5775 EMAIL: mb32@columbia.edu
    October 3, 2012

    Many studies on the biological effects of electromagnetic radiation (EMR), and most recently about radiofrequency (RF) radiation, have led to the conclusions that:
     EMR can cause single and double strand DNA breakage at exposure levels that are considered safe under guidelines of the FCC in the USA as well as Health Canada
     there are many epidemiology studies that show an increased risk of cancers associated with exposure to EMR.
     Children and teenagers are far more susceptible to these harmful effects, because they are growing rapidly and their cells are dividing more rapidly.
    Since we know that an accumulation of changes or mutations in DNA is associated with cancer, there is good reason to believe that the elevated rates of cancers among persons holding cell phones to their heads or living near RF towers are probably linked to DNA damage. Because of the nature of EMR and the length of time it takes for most cancers to develop, one cannot expect ‘conclusive proof’ such as the link between helicobacter pylori and gastric ulcer. (That link was recently demonstrated by the Australian doctor who proved a link conclusively by swallowing the bacteria and getting the disease.) However, there is enough evidence of a plausible mechanism to link EMF exposure to increased risk of cancer, and therefore of a need to limit exposure, especially of children.
    EMR has been shown to cause other potentially harmful biological effects, such as leakage of the blood brain barrier (that surrounds and protects the brain) that can lead to damage of neurons in the brain, increased micronuclei (DNA fragments) in human blood lymphocytes, all at EMR exposures considered safe. Probably the most convincing evidence of potential harm comes from living cells themselves when they start to manufacture stress proteins upon exposure to EMR. The stress response occurs with a number of potentially harmful environmental factors, such as elevated temperature, changes in pH, toxic metals, etc. This means that when stress protein synthesis is stimulated by radiofrequency or power frequency EMR, the body is telling us in its own language that RF exposure is harmful.
    Two of my recent research papers have added to our understanding of the problem:
     Blank M, Goodman R (2011) DNA is a fractal antenna in electromagnetic fields (EMF).
    International Journal of Radiation Biology 87(4):409-15.
    The compaction of DNA in the cell nucleus leads to a coiled-coil structure that makes the DNA respond as a fractal antenna that is sensitive to a wide variety of EMR frequencies. This makes DNA particularly vulnerable to damage by EMR. This also means that the
    damage in different frequency ranges is cumulative and that safety standards should be
    based on cumulative effects on DNA due to all EMR frequencies.
     Blank M, Goodman R (2011) Electromagnetic fields and health: interactions with DNA
    and dosimetry. Electromagnetic Biology and Medicine, Posted online on June 7, 2012. (doi:10.3109/15368378.2011.624662).
    The reactions of DNA with EMR indicate that the reactions can serve as a dosimeter, i.e., a way to measure the degree of interaction and a better measure of cumulative exposure.
     I have included URLs so you can download the papers.
    As I mentioned above, many potentially harmful effects, such as the stress response and DNA strand breaks, occur at non-thermal levels (field strengths that do not cause a temperature increase) and are therefore considered safe. It is obvious that the safety standards must be revised downward to take into account the now established non-thermal as well as thermal biological responses that occur at much lower intensities. Since we cannot rely on the current standards, it is best to act according to the precautionary principle, the approach advocated by the European Union. In light of the current evidence, the precautionary approach appears to be the most reasonable for those who must protect the health and welfare of the public and especially its most vulnerable members, children of school-age.
    Sincerely yours,
    Martin Blank, Ph.D.
    Special Lecturer in Physiology and Cellular Biophysics
    Associate Professor of Physiology and Cellular Biophysics, 1968-2011

  6. #6 by More example of schools REMOVING WiFi on January 15, 2016 - 4:04 pm

    More Examples of Schools Removing the WiFi

    2015: S t. Cajetanus School, Belgium: Wired Internet installed and wireless removed.
    2015: Washington Waldorf School, Maryland, USA: Removed Wi­Fi Routers from Buildings, Ethernet installed.
    2015: A shland Public Schools, Mass (USA): “Best Practices” to turn the WiFi off when not in use, D ownload Slides HERE. 2014: DearCroft Montessori CA: Hardwired internet to younger grades. S ee Video.
    2014: P ortland Waldorf School, Port land Oregon,USA, WiFi removed.
    2014: W aldorf Avonmore School: Wired internet only
    2014: M eeting House Montessori, Braintree Massachusetts, USA, WiFi replaced with ethernet.
    2014: Ghent, Finland, W i­fi banned from pre­schools and day care.
    2014: UPPER Sturt Primary School, Australia “No WIFI” LOW EMF Policy
    2014: The St. Augustine School i n Italy turned off Wifi and goes back to Wires.
    2013 Winlaw Elementary School, B.C. Canada turned off WiFi.
    2013 Te Horo Primary School New Zealand Replaced WIFI with cable­based internet.
    2013 Kootenay Lakes District S chool Board BC (One school without Wi­Fi)
    2013 B laise­Cendrars High School, Switzerland. Teachers vote to remove WiFi.
    2012 K ivioja primary school in Ylivieska Finland bans phones and minimizes Wireless.
    2012: H alton Waldorf, in Burlington Vermont: Remaining free of Wireless Radiation
    2011 C ity of Lakes Waldorf School, WiFi taken out. Minneapolis, M innesota USA
    2011 Aurora School in Ontario removed Wifi and replaced with hardwired.
    2011 N orth Cariboo Christian School in Quesnel, B.C., removed Wi­fi .
    2011 P retty River Academy in Ontario no WiFi.
    2011 Wayside Academy, Peterborough, Ontario no Wi Fi. 2010 Surrey, B C Roots and Wings Montessori removed Wi­Fi.
    2010 Ontario St. Vincent Euphrasia elementary school: Parents voted to turn off Wi­Fi.
    2009 HEROUVILLE­SAINT­CLAIR wi­fi networks removed.

  7. #7 by Univ of Pittsburgh Cancer Institute on January 15, 2016 - 4:10 pm

    “A disservice has been done in inaccurately depicting the body of science, which actually indicates that there are biological effects from the radiation emitted by wireless devices, including damage to DNA, and evidence for increased risk of cancer and other substantial health consequences…The public the world over has been misled by this reporting.”

    Dr. R onald B. Herberman, Founding Director of the University of Pittsburgh Cancer Institute, Vice Chancellor of Cancer Research at University of Pittsburgh and the first head of an NCI funded cancer center to s peak out o n the risks from cell phones.

  8. #8 by Wireless Systems are NOT Energy Efficient on January 15, 2016 - 4:15 pm

    Wireless Systems are NOT Energy Efficient:

    “Wireless is an energy monster; it’s just inherently inefficient. …Our calculations show that, in 2015, the
    wireless networks we use to access cloud services will command around 90% of the energy needed to power the entire wireless cloud services ecosystem….This is an increase in carbon footprint from 6 megatonnes of CO2 in 2012 to up to 30 megatonnes of CO2 in 2015, the equivalent of adding 4.9 million cars to the roads.
    T he CEET Report: The Power of Wireless Cloud .

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